Current Events > The Shadowlord is such a well written villain. NIER SPOILERS

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Slayer_22 08/27/23 8:21:03 AM #1:	Treated like an evil big bad boss, some evil ancient creature that is kidnapping your sister. Then you see all these things that don't seem to make sense. Devola and Popola were villains? Project Gestalt? What? But you're still confused. Then the Yonah scene. She's talking to the Shadowlord like that's her brother. Talking about herself like she's possessed. Shadowlord's her brother? Then you find out everything. Shadowlord was the original Nier. You've been killing human souls this entire time. Killing him will end humanity. But you're both fighting for your little sister. Both for the same reason, practically the same person. Who deserves life more? Even his Yonah doesn't want to take away Replicant Yonah's life. Such an interesting villain. An interesting character. It's just so well written, I love it. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975690294] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Treated like an evil big bad boss, some evil ancient creature that is kidnapping your sister.Then you see all these things that don't seem to make sense. Devola and Popola were villains? Project Gestalt? What? But you're still confused.Then the Yonah scene. She's talking to the Shadowlord like that's her brother. Talking about herself like she's possessed. Shadowlord's her brother?Then you find out everything. Shadowlord was the original Nier. You've been killing human souls this entire time. Killing him will end humanity. But you're both fighting for your little sister. Both for the same reason, practically the same person. Who deserves life more? Even his Yonah doesn't want to take away Replicant Yonah's life.Such an interesting villain. An interesting character. It's just so well written, I love it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 08/27/23 8:27:29 AM #2:	Isn't it a young guy and his sister in Japan But a middle aged man and his daugther in the west? --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:975690351] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Isn't it a young guy and his sister in JapanBut a middle aged man and his daugther in the west? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/27/23 8:35:38 AM #3:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Isn't it a young guy and his sister in Japan But a middle aged man and his daugther in the west? Yeah, in the original releases but there was a remake that made it just brother and sister. The story works the same regardless though. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975690414] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite><quote>Isn't it a young guy and his sister in JapanBut a middle aged man and his daugther in the west?</quote>Yeah, in the original releases but there was a remake that made it just brother and sister.The story works the same regardless though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 08/27/23 8:35:48 AM #4:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Isn't it a young guy and his sister in Japan But a middle aged man and his daugther in the west? yea, but it's a young Nier in the remaster - Nier: Replicant --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/xqplw1 <cite>boxoto posted [p:975690416] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote> Guns_of_Verdun posted... <quote>Isn't it a young guy and his sister in JapanBut a middle aged man and his daugther in the west?</quote>yea, but it's a young Nier in the remaster - Nier: Replicant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 08/27/23 8:37:52 AM #5:	Feels bad that the dad just got written out :( --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:975690432] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Feels bad that the dad just got written out :( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/27/23 8:44:49 AM #6:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Feels bad that the dad just got written out :( To be fair, he wasn't the original. Yoko Taro wrote the brother relationship first. However, he's still in the DLC where he's playable and voiced by the same VA. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975690493] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite><quote>Feels bad that the dad just got written out :(</quote>To be fair, he wasn't the original. Yoko Taro wrote the brother relationship first.However, he's still in the DLC where he's playable and voiced by the same VA. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 08/27/23 9:02:57 AM #7:	Is the DLC in the remaster? --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:975690645] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Is the DLC in the remaster? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gasgpmo 08/27/23 9:11:25 AM #8:	One of the most underrated console games of that generation, alongside Deadly Premonition. <cite>gasgpmo posted [p:975690714] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>One of the most underrated console games of that generation, alongside Deadly Premonition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Moon 08/27/23 9:16:51 AM #9:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... Is the DLC in the remaster? It is --- Game Playing: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City <cite>Dark_Moon posted [p:975690763] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite><quote>Is the DLC in the remaster?</quote>It is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 08/27/23 9:24:24 AM #10:	Dark_Moon posted... It is Woo! He lives on --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:975690832] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Moon posted... </cite><quote>It is</quote>Woo!He lives on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 08/27/23 10:23:36 AM #11:	Playing through again ~~what with Keine causing translations of what the shades are saying gives massive "Are we the bad guys" vibes.~~ --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:975691505] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Playing through again what with Keine causing translations of what the shades are saying gives massive "Are we the bad guys" vibes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 08/27/23 10:38:24 AM #12:	Oh, Shadowlord, I love you Shadowlord. Come over here and give Weiss a big sloppy kiss, Shadowlord --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:975691670] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Oh, Shadowlord, I love you Shadowlord. Come over here and give Weiss a big sloppy kiss, Shadowlord </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 08/27/23 10:44:07 AM #13:	loafy013 posted... Oh, Shadowlord, I love you Shadowlord. Come over here and give Weiss a big sloppy kiss, Shadowlord Now, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and start fucking helping us! --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:975691740] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted... </cite><quote>Oh, Shadowlord, I love you Shadowlord. Come over here and give Weiss a big sloppy kiss, Shadowlord</quote>Now, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and start fucking helping us! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/27/23 2:20:47 PM #14:	GranAures posted... Playing through again ~~what with Keine causing translations of what the shades are saying gives massive "Are we the bad guys" vibes.~~ You're a mass murderer who sees shades as monsters and refuses to give them a chance despite their repeated showings of humanity. Yoko Taro has this philosophy in games where 'how can someone who kills 1000s of people in a game be considered a hero?'. That being said, the Kaine translations are supposed to be basically a look into the concept of morality. Is Nier right in his quest? Is he justified in his actions? Was anyone right? This entire situation comes from complete misunderstanding. Hell, the first shades you fight against in the game, the children(small shades are children), they don't even fight back. They run away when they get hit. You kill them in cold blood with no provocation. tl;dr It's important to the themes of the game. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975695319] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>Playing through again what with Keine causing translations of what the shades are saying gives massive "Are we the bad guys" vibes.</quote>You're a mass murderer who sees shades as monsters and refuses to give them a chance despite their repeated showings of humanity. Yoko Taro has this philosophy in games where 'how can someone who kills 1000s of people in a game be considered a hero?'. That being said, the Kaine translations are supposed to be basically a look into the concept of morality. Is Nier right in his quest? Is he justified in his actions? Was anyone right? This entire situation comes from complete misunderstanding. Hell, the first shades you fight against in the game, the children(small shades are children), they don't even fight back. They run away when they get hit. You kill them in cold blood with no provocation.tl;dr It's important to the themes of the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 08/27/23 2:32:16 PM #15:	Oh certainly. Being shown the other side of things on round two was great. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:975695534] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Oh certainly. Being shown the other side of things on round two was great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 08/27/23 2:42:42 PM #16:	It's also ironic since technically ~~Nier shares his motivation and history as some of the people he kills~~ Kaine's random outbursts make a lot more sense when you see the translated dialogue --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgur.com/krtFHol.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:975695750] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>It's also ironic since technically Nier shares his motivation and history as some of the people he killsKaine's random outbursts make a lot more sense when you see the translated dialogue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 08/27/23 2:57:28 PM #17:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/5/AAU2gcAAEygV.jpg --- Useless "Captain" Mid <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:975696056] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/5/AAU2gcAAEygV.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/27/23 2:59:13 PM #18:	legendarylemur posted... It's also ironic since technically ~~Nier shares his motivation and history as some of the people he kills~~ Kaine's random outbursts make a lot more sense when you see the translated dialogue ~~It sucks even worse when you realize Kaine has been hearing this stuff for years.~~ --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975696093] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>legendarylemur posted... </cite><quote>It's also ironic since technically Nier shares his motivation and history as some of the people he killsKaine's random outbursts make a lot more sense when you see the translated dialogue</quote>It sucks even worse when you realize Kaine has been hearing this stuff for years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 08/27/23 9:13:28 PM #19:	I still feel like the ~~"You killed them with no provocation!" Thing rings kinda hollow when you literally had no other option to progress.~~ ~~I know there's the "Turn off the game" argument but this ain't no Spec Ops.~~ ~~Games that try to make you feel guilty for things the game forced you to do always rang a bit hollow to me. I mean the Robot Boss monster might be the worst example of that.~~ I feel like I'm sounding overly negative. I really liked Nier. I just feel that's kind of a lazy trope if there's no alternative. Look at the effort Toby Fox went to avoid that trope in Undertale --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:975702694] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>I still feel like the "You killed them with no provocation!" Thing rings kinda hollow when you literally had no other option to progress.I know there's the "Turn off the game" argument but this ain't no Spec Ops. Games that try to make you feel guilty for things the game forced you to do always rang a bit hollow to me. I mean the Robot Boss monster might be the worst example of that.I feel like I'm sounding overly negative. I really liked Nier. I just feel that's kind of a lazy trope if there's no alternative. Look at the effort Toby Fox went to avoid that trope in Undertale </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/27/23 9:58:43 PM #20:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... I still feel like the ~~"You killed them with no provocation!" Thing rings kinda hollow when you literally had no other option to progress.~~ ~~I know there's the "Turn off the game" argument but this ain't no Spec Ops.~~ ~~Games that try to make you feel guilty for things the game forced you to do always rang a bit hollow to me. I mean the Robot Boss monster might be the worst example of that.~~ I feel like I'm sounding overly negative. I really liked Nier. I just feel that's kind of a lazy trope if there's no alternative. Look at the effort Toby Fox went to avoid that trope in Undertale Well, the thing is, it's not YOU specifically. It's Nier. I mean, during the 5 year timeskip, he's murdered countless Shades. Even before the game, he's killed them. The game is just sprinkling in easter eggs and the like. It's not like you're actually Nier lol. It's a story, and the story is using the idea of murdering monsters to push forward a point. The point of the story isn't 'you're a monster'. A lot of what Nier does is specifically for his and Yonah's sake. He justifies his bloodlust multiple times during the game. The game goes to great lengths to basically say no one is right. No one is innocent. Even Gestalt Yonah doesn't want to be in Replicant Yonah's body. No one really wins. Everyone is doomed. Everyone will die. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975703396] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite><quote>I still feel like the "You killed them with no provocation!" Thing rings kinda hollow when you literally had no other option to progress.I know there's the "Turn off the game" argument but this ain't no Spec Ops. Games that try to make you feel guilty for things the game forced you to do always rang a bit hollow to me. I mean the Robot Boss monster might be the worst example of that.I feel like I'm sounding overly negative. I really liked Nier. I just feel that's kind of a lazy trope if there's no alternative. Look at the effort Toby Fox went to avoid that trope in Undertale</quote>Well, the thing is, it's not YOU specifically. It's Nier. I mean, during the 5 year timeskip, he's murdered countless Shades. Even before the game, he's killed them. The game is just sprinkling in easter eggs and the like. It's not like you're actually Nier lol. It's a story, and the story is using the idea of murdering monsters to push forward a point. The point of the story isn't 'you're a monster'. A lot of what Nier does is specifically for his and Yonah's sake. He justifies his bloodlust multiple times during the game. The game goes to great lengths to basically say no one is right. No one is innocent. Even Gestalt Yonah doesn't want to be in Replicant Yonah's body. No one really wins. Everyone is doomed. Everyone will die. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 08/28/23 6:37:56 AM #21:	Bump --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:975708089] in The Shadow... [t:80547914]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > The Shadowlord is such a well written villain. NIER SPOILERS