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CableZL
08/29/23 1:30:41 PM
#100:


Shadow_Don posted...
noob question but let's say Cheesebro and Kraken lady get their trial and are found guilty. What does that mean for Trump?

It's an even worse sign for his trial since they're all charged under the same RICO indictment. Trump's strategy to delay trials is pointless when some of his codefendants want speedy trials.

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Tyranthraxus
08/29/23 2:07:12 PM
#101:


CableZL posted...
It's an even worse sign for his trial since they're all charged under the same RICO indictment. Trump's strategy to delay trials is pointless when some of his codefendants want speedy trials.

Also this is a terrible legal strategy. If people like Chesebro get found guilty before the Trump trial that's gonna make it harder for Trump to win his own. Literally the best chance the everyone is to have the trial at the same time. You can save money too since it uses less lawyer time.

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mystic_belmont
08/29/23 2:07:50 PM
#102:


Shadow_Don posted...
noob question but let's say Cheesebro and Kraken lady get their trial and are found guilty. What does that mean for Trump?

They can probably use the guilty charges as proof.

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Shadow_Don
08/29/23 2:49:32 PM
#103:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Also this is a terrible legal strategy. If people like Chesebro get found guilty before the Trump trial that's gonna make it harder for Trump to win his own. Literally the best chance the everyone is to have the trial at the same time. You can save money too since it uses less lawyer time.

damn. you can start to see the game theory here and it makes sense why RICO is so powerful and the legal jeopardy it presents for them

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Tyranthraxus
08/29/23 2:51:19 PM
#104:


Shadow_Don posted...
damn. you can start to see the game theory here and it makes sense why RICO is so powerful and the legal jeopardy it presents for them

Yeah. Prisoner's Dilemma.

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mystic_belmont
08/29/23 2:51:54 PM
#105:


Shadow_Don posted...
damn. you can start to see the game theory here and it makes sense why RICO is so powerful and the legal jeopardy it presents for them

It's the final turn of the knife from Chesebro to Trump.

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Euripides
08/29/23 2:52:58 PM
#106:


Shadow_Don posted...
damn. you can start to see the game theory here and it makes sense why RICO is so powerful and the legal jeopardy it presents for them

Yep. The moment one person is found guilty of racketeering, you basically just need to prove that the subsequent people were involved. You don't need to prove the racketeering plot 19 times

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mystic_belmont
08/29/23 3:03:51 PM
#107:


I really do think that Chesebro is pissed that Trump got him into the situation, and just want to screw him over.

The guy at the top usually receives the harshest sentence, right?

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Tyranthraxus
08/29/23 3:08:50 PM
#108:


mystic_belmont posted...
I really do think that Chesebro is pissed that Trump got him into the situation, and just want to screw him over.

The guy at the top usually receives the harshest sentence, right?

Not always. In this case Trump is charged with the most crimes (tied with Giuliani) do he'll get the largest sentence in that alone.

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ScazarMeltex
08/29/23 3:20:18 PM
#109:


mystic_belmont posted...
I really do think that Chesebro is pissed that Trump got him into the situation, and just want to screw him over.

The guy at the top usually receives the harshest sentence, right?
I'll put money in his prison account if he gives a press conference and says "Donald Trump you just got Chesebro'd".

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King_Rial
08/29/23 3:25:58 PM
#110:


I wonder if the defense is trying to get the prosection to lay out their case in earlier trials to see how it's going to be presented so they can work out strategies to combat it in later cases. Sort of falling in their swords for Donald.

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mystic_belmont
08/29/23 3:30:24 PM
#111:


King_Rial posted...
I wonder if the defense is trying to get the prosection to lay out their case in earlier trials to see how it's going to be presented so they can work out strategies to combat it in later cases. Sort of falling in their swords for Donald.

That's possible, but the prosecution won't have to use all the evidence they have at Chesebro's trial, and any guilty verdict they get will be used in future prosecutions.

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CableZL
08/29/23 3:41:28 PM
#113:


https://Twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1696608123266503048?s=46

Fani Willis said she's READY TO GO

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mystic_belmont
08/29/23 3:52:47 PM
#114:


Good job Chesebro!

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Starks
08/29/23 3:57:28 PM
#115:


I wonder what's motivating some of these defendants to fast track and get this over with. On the one hand, you tip the hand of the prosecutions arguments, on the other you lose and those arguments are still valid to take down everyone else in short order.

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Takuya_Lee
08/29/23 3:57:30 PM
#116:


King_Rial posted...
I wonder if the defense is trying to get the prosection to lay out their case in earlier trials to see how it's going to be presented so they can work out strategies to combat it in later cases. Sort of falling in their swords for Donald.

I don't think that's it. I think Chesebro just wants revenge on 45 for getting him involved in this and indicted. Best way to do that is get delay tactics thrown out the window.

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Starks
08/29/23 3:58:46 PM
#117:


If that's truly the motivation, then they should get rid of their Trump pac lawyers

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CableZL
08/29/23 4:14:40 PM
#118:


https://Twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1696610221903237386?s=46

Harrison Floyd is out on bond now

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Tyranthraxus
08/29/23 4:27:04 PM
#119:


CableZL posted...


Harrison Floyd is out on bond now

So basically he didn't have the foresight to negotiate bond in advance and the only reason he couldn't post it was because the judge assigned to his case wasn't there when he surrendered so there was no one to set a bond limit.

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Shadow_Don
08/29/23 5:47:01 PM
#120:


Starks posted...
I wonder what's motivating some of these defendants to fast track and get this over with. On the one hand, you tip the hand of the prosecutions arguments, on the other you lose and those arguments are still valid to take down everyone else in short order.

Tyranthraxus posted...
Yeah. Prisoner's Dilemma.


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Starks
08/29/23 5:47:51 PM
#121:


These people aren't smart enough for game theory

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Shadow_Don
08/29/23 5:48:27 PM
#122:


Starks posted...
These people aren't smart enough for game theory

game theory still works regardless of how intelligent the participants are

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andel
08/29/23 5:50:22 PM
#123:


someone should ask the trump cult why he is stonewalling if he is innocent? usually innocent people invoke their right to a speedy trial but trump is trying to postpone it indefinitely

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littlebro07
08/29/23 7:19:20 PM
#124:


andel posted...
someone should ask the trump cult why he is stonewalling if he is innocent? usually innocent people invoke their right to a speedy trial but trump is trying to postpone it indefinitely

Because Trump is god to them and everything he does and says is correct, even if it contradicts something he earlier did or said.

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DarkBuster22904
08/29/23 7:21:34 PM
#125:


andel posted...
someone should ask the trump cult why he is stonewalling if he is innocent? usually innocent people invoke their right to a speedy trial but trump is trying to postpone it indefinitely
"because he knows the system is corrupt and will find him guilty even though he's innocent, so he's fighting against having to play a rigged game."

Or somesuch.

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CableZL
08/29/23 9:39:19 PM
#126:


https://www.ajc.com/news/last-of-trump-defendants-in-fulton-election-probe-gets-bond/7R3436UKGBBNFIB4KJ6VM42O2E/

More details out about why Harrison Floyd was stuck in jail. He never negotiated a bond beforehand. He just showed up to the jail without one and was booked.

Fani Willis sent a representative to the jail when he turned himself in to work out a bond deal, but he didn't want to talk to anyone without a lawyer. So he had to sit in jail.

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Euripides
08/29/23 11:00:52 PM
#127:


Trump posted about 20 videos on Truth in the last 2 hours, all of him basically saying out loud the shit he usually posts in all caps

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jefffan
08/30/23 11:30:45 AM
#128:


Trump crew takes another L in Georgia.

Giuliani loses defamation lawsuit from two Georgia election workers

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/30/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers

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BunkerBoy
08/30/23 11:32:11 AM
#129:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/7/AAe283AAEy_J.jpg

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Tyranthraxus
08/30/23 11:37:17 AM
#130:


jefffan posted...
Trump crew takes another L in Georgia.

Giuliani loses defamation lawsuit from two Georgia election workers

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/30/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers

Glad these two women won but if he didn't have the money to pay for his electronic storage I don't know what they're going to be able to get out of him.

I hope they all (not Freeman or Moss) die broke.

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mystic_belmont
08/30/23 11:43:47 AM
#131:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Glad these two women won but if he didn't have the money to pay for his electronic storage I don't know what they're going to be able to get out of him.

I hope they all (not Freeman or Moss) die broke.

Dude just put up for sale his place in New York.

He has money.

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Tyranthraxus
08/30/23 11:45:20 AM
#132:


mystic_belmont posted...
Dude just put up for sale his place in New York.

He has money.
Amend to Broke and renting in the projects.

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Block_that_Kick
08/30/23 12:54:43 PM
#133:


Oh god, were back to this shit again.

He didnt specially say I am committing a crime so he didnt do anything wrong.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1696924519313686963

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jefffan
08/30/23 12:58:16 PM
#134:


I cant wait to rub one to all the shocked Pikachu faces when all these idiots (hopefully) see the guilty verdicts.

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Takuya_Lee
08/30/23 12:59:14 PM
#135:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Glad these two women won but if he didn't have the money to pay for his electronic storage I don't know what they're going to be able to get out of him.

I hope they all (not Freeman or Moss) die broke.

The judge is giving the instruction to assume Giuliani is hiding assets. He has money

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CableZL
08/30/23 1:13:05 PM
#136:


Takuya_Lee posted...
The judge is giving the instruction to assume Giuliani is hiding assets. He has money
Yeah, earlier in the discovery phase, he was complaining about not being able to pay the ~$300k to have a company do an electronic document search for stuff relevant to the lawsuit... Then he suddenly "found" the money, which is absurd

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mystic_belmont
08/30/23 3:11:48 PM
#137:


Dude said find these votes, or you will experience legal pain.

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CableZL
08/30/23 4:52:17 PM
#138:


https://twitter.com/ByNickEWoot/status/1696987020768301549

Sidney Powell has filed a motion to sever her case from the other 18 defendants. She's going to prison either way. She also wants a speedy trial.

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Nok_Su_Kow
08/30/23 5:01:36 PM
#139:


He just says there will be terrible consequences if he doesn't do what he asks, that's all, no biggie. /S
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mystic_belmont
08/30/23 5:02:07 PM
#140:


CableZL posted...
https://twitter.com/ByNickEWoot/status/1696987020768301549

Sidney Powell has filed a motion to sever her case from the other 18 defendants. She's going to prison either way. She also wants a speedy trial.

Another person fucking over Trump.

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mystic_belmont
08/30/23 5:03:19 PM
#141:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
He just says there will be terrible consequences if he doesn't do what he asks, that's all, no biggie. /S

"I didn't say to the teller that I would shoot her if she didn't give me all the money in her register, I just said there would be consequences if she didn't. Therefore, I can not be charged with robbery."

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CableZL
08/31/23 11:08:01 AM
#142:


A few people have waived their arraignments and plead not guilty.

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1697264561437675728

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1696586248423399551

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1696587451437900261

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Block_that_Kick
08/31/23 11:51:13 AM
#143:


At least, for now, the people running for state government are not insane.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1697268827929915741

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Humble_Novice
08/31/23 11:58:25 AM
#144:


Block_that_Kick posted...
At least, for now, the people running for state government are not insane.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1697268827929915741
Oh boy, the MAGA chuds are NOT going to like this at all.

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Euripides
08/31/23 11:59:45 AM
#145:


Humble_Novice posted...
Oh boy, the MAGA chuds are NOT going to like this at all.

They already hated Kemp. This doesn't change anything

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King_Rial
08/31/23 12:00:10 PM
#146:


"Another RINO in Kemp!"

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Block_that_Kick
08/31/23 12:02:50 PM
#147:


Humble_Novice posted...
Oh boy, the MAGA chuds are NOT going to like this at all.

Its a pretty easy move for Kemp to make. They do not have the votes in the legislature to do anything to Willis anyway, so no point in calling a special session. Both the Georgia Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader have also advised against it, with the Majority Leader flat out saying they couldnt do anything to her even if they wanted to because the votes are not there.

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CableZL
08/31/23 12:07:19 PM
#148:


Block_that_Kick posted...
At least, for now, the people running for state government are not insane.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1697268827929915741

I think this is one thing that doesn't get talked about enough in this regard. As much as the Republican party nationwide is under the thumb of Donald Trump, There are a good number of Republican officials in Georgia who are absolutely refusing to go along with his bullshit.

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Ruvan22
08/31/23 12:11:34 PM
#149:


CableZL posted...
I think this is one thing that doesn't get talked about enough in this regard. As much as the Republican party nationwide is under the thumb of Donald Trump, There are a good number of Republican officials in Georgia who are absolutely refusing to go along with his bullshit.

True - Raffenberger (SP) comes to mind..
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Nok_Su_Kow
08/31/23 12:17:49 PM
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