Current Events > RENOWNED physicist Michio Kaku now ONBOARD to UAP(UFO) dicslosure!

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WingsOfGood
08/22/23 12:31:04 AM
#101:


Torgo posted...
That's not my position. Don't put words in my mouth because your lack of skepticism and critical thinking is difficult to defend.

There is nothing to the Hunter Biden conspiracy nonsense. It's a manufactured wild goose chase.

so there is no validity to the hearings being a government coverup yes?

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Frolex
08/22/23 12:31:16 AM
#102:


Zeeak4444 posted...
I've made it clear the only thing Ive accepted is that the parties who can put this whole thing at rest arent cooperating for some reason.

no, that's a lie. you've accepted 1.that these videos depict phenomena that violate our understanding of physics and 2. the military claims they are not aliens. you have proof of neither of these assertions

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Torgo
08/22/23 12:33:48 AM
#103:


WingsOfGood posted...
The conspiracy crowd was SURE the hearings were a coverup

Dude, this is not some braindead binary.

I can hold the position that republicans have not produced any credible evidence to support their Hunter Biden hysteria... and also that I think Michio Kaku has been part of the conspiratorial crowd that fuels a lot of credulous nonsense.

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WingsOfGood
08/22/23 12:36:07 AM
#104:


Torgo posted...
and also that I think Michio Kaku has been part of the conspiratorial crowd that fuels a lot of credulous nonsense.

Michio Kaku wasn't part of the hearing. So the question remains: so there is no validity to the hearings being a government coverup yes?
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Torgo
08/22/23 12:37:06 AM
#105:


WingsOfGood posted...
Michio Kaku wasn't part of the hearing. So the question remains: so there is no validity to the hearings being a government coverup yes?

I don't know, I guess we'll find out.

I highly doubt we will learn anything of any importance whatsoever.

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Torgo
08/22/23 12:45:13 AM
#106:


WingsOfGood posted...
The conspiracy crowd was SURE the hearings were a coverup

Dude... right now the republicans are claiming literally EVERYTHING is a distraction or cover up for their manufactured Hunter Biden mania - From Trump's indictments to weather events and everything in between.

I took a shit this morning and Lindsey Graham said the smell was actually created to distract from their Biden bombshell they can't seem to agree on, but they assure is definitely something to impeach him for.

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Kim_Seong-a
08/22/23 1:19:35 AM
#108:


WingsOfGood posted...
Michio wants data and disclosure.
It totally is if you understood a lick of what he was saying or took time to watch the video. Again like I explained and you guys FAILED to understand, he isn't saying they are aliens but that we have a body of evidence suggesting there is something to be explained and that more hearings and supporting disclosure is important.

Infact you talking about burden of proof should know they would say things were weather balloons back in the day that were not infact weather balloons. Now the shift means they cannot just write such sightings off with ease but have to now explain for example and prove it was a weather balloon.

I understand what he's saying just fine. What you're not understanding is that is literally not how the burden of proof works lol.

The military does not have to prove some random cam footage "are not extraterrestial".

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Zeeak4444
08/22/23 1:23:44 AM
#109:


Frolex posted...
no, that's a lie. you've accepted 1.that these videos depict phenomena that violate our understanding of physics and 2. the military claims they are not aliens. you have proof of neither of these assertions

1) No, I said theres assertions that they have depicted phenomena that if correctly identified defies our technological capabilities.

A claim that was made in a congressional hearing and yet to have any real argument returned.

2) Ive already said thats my own phrasing of what theyve said. If you need me to officially concede that point here it is.

Torgo posted...
I don't know, I guess we'll find out.

I highly doubt we will learn anything of any importance whatsoever.

And FWIW this is how I feel about it. I care insofar as wanting the damn thing to be settled as best as can.

if theres really more and more military personnel coming forward with claims and videos from this then its time to settle the damn thing and put a rest to it.

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Torgo
08/22/23 1:41:11 AM
#110:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I see you have inadvertently uncovered: The Snoo Snoo directive...

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vycebrand2
08/22/23 1:44:59 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
"Now it's their turn to prove this isn't one of God's miracles"
Reminds me of the Ancient Aliens episode where they said Hindu gods were flying around in spaceships and airplanes

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Frolex
08/22/23 2:10:24 AM
#112:


Zeeak4444 posted...
1) No, I said theres assertions that they have depicted phenomena that if correctly identified defies our technological capabilities.

A claim that was made in a congressional hearing and yet to have any real argument returned.

and, for the millionth time this topic, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove it, not other people to debunk it

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Zeeak4444
08/22/23 2:17:42 AM
#113:


Frolex posted...
and, for the millionth time this topic, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove it, not other people to debunk it

i dont get what you dont get. If someone is saying hey, we need full disclosure to get to the bottom of this and then the other goes no you can turn around and tell the first person they cant prove it, sure. But the first step should be getting the disclosure and then see if the person can prove it.

I feel like if you were talking about videos from the 90s or something youd have a point, but in the context of the current discussion around the topic what youre saying continues to make no sense

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Frolex
08/22/23 3:01:24 AM
#114:


Zeeak4444 posted...
i dont get what you dont get. If someone is saying hey, we need full disclosure to get to the bottom of this and then the other goes no you can turn around and tell the first person they cant prove it, sure. But the first step should be getting the disclosure and then see if the person can prove it.

I feel like if you were talking about videos from the 90s or something youd have a point, but in the context of the current discussion around the topic what youre saying continues to make no sense

and nothing here addresses the point you're responding to. none of this means the person making the claim no longer has to prove it.

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Dark_Arbron
08/22/23 3:18:02 AM
#115:


Frolex posted...
yes, we all know a lack of understanding of critical thinking and skepticism is how religion survives


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Torgo
08/22/23 3:47:29 AM
#116:


Zeeak4444 posted...
i dont get what you dont get. If someone is saying hey, we need full disclosure to get to the bottom of this and then the other goes no you can turn around and tell the first person they cant prove it, sure. But the first step should be getting the disclosure and then see if the person can prove it.

I feel like if you were talking about videos from the 90s or something youd have a point, but in the context of the current discussion around the topic what youre saying continues to make no sense

If you make an extraordinary claim, it is up to YOU to provide evidence for that claim.

The flaw seems to be with you, in that you are willing to suspend disbelief or buy into beliefs that you want to believe in, rather than applying skepticism and only believing that which you are justified believing in through evidence.

It is okay to say "I don't know" or "I don't have enough evidence to make a judgement call" - that's where I stand on the UFO/UAP phenomenon. It's not that I'm rejecting the possibility, it's that I need evidence before I claim to know something.

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 4:04:16 AM
#117:


the evidence is not there yet. but when the official explanation for the attacks in peru are gold miners with jetpacks I would like some evidence for that too.

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08/22/23 5:01:52 AM
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Dark_Arbron
08/22/23 5:07:31 AM
#118:


Torgo posted...
It is okay to say "I don't know" or "I don't have enough evidence to make a judgement call" - that's where I stand on the UFO/UAP phenomenon. It's not that I'm rejecting the possibility, it's that I need evidence before I claim to know something.

This is what people dont seem to understand about atheism. Its not an agenda. We dont want there to be no God. We dont oppose the concept (though some of the details are shitty). We just dont accept things without sufficient probable cause. Thats what science is. Its not another religion trying to push its own story.

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Skankhair
08/22/23 5:28:38 AM
#119:


TripleDouble posted...
All this alien talk lately with not one solid piece of evidence is insane. How did it get to this level?

Lots of morons. Thats how.

They see a video of a literal fucking goddamn duck and go it cant be explained!
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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 5:38:45 AM
#120:


Skankhair posted...
They see a video of a literal f***ing goddamn duck and go it cant be explained!

there are tons of video it's just they can be fake or low visibility.

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VeesMcGees
08/22/23 5:43:28 AM
#121:


I'd love the government to confirm that UFO sightings are just military tests, but this isn't the climate to get rival nations trying to succeed where the USA failed.
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FolkenRawr
08/22/23 5:56:13 AM
#122:


Rai_Jin posted...
the evidence is not there yet. but when the official explanation for the attacks in peru are gold miners with jetpacks I would like some evidence for that too.

Um. Are there official anything resembling even anything close to that? Like from a source other than TMZ or someone's phone camera from 1997?

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Phoro
08/22/23 6:10:14 AM
#123:


VFalcone posted...
I will say this... For some reason CE really really gravitates towards WingsOfGood UFO threads because hot damn these are always on fire.

Meanwhile my update threads with actual news never get past 20 posts.

Yeah but how many were shitposts?

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 6:23:11 AM
#124:


FolkenRawr posted...
Um. Are there official anything resembling even anything close to that? Like from a source other than TMZ or someone's phone camera from 1997?

you mean official pictures? I haven't seen any. There is one pretty detailed picture of a phone picture.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/08/perus-7ft-tall-flying-alien-attackers-exposed-as-illegal-gold-miners-on-jetpacks/

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 6:56:10 AM
#125:


a bit better quality

https://f.rpp-noticias.io/2023/08/08/1460721img-20230805-wa0019jpg.jpg
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FolkenRawr
08/22/23 7:05:23 AM
#126:


Rai_Jin posted...
a bit better quality

https://f.rpp-noticias.io/2023/08/08/1460721img-20230805-wa0019jpg.jpg

C'mon man, really?

Edit: In case not crystal clear, this is literally what @Torgo is talking about.

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MrMallard
08/22/23 7:08:54 AM
#127:


I've never heard of this jagoff. How do I know his prior credentials, credibility or why I should care?

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MrMallard
08/22/23 7:10:20 AM
#128:


Phoro posted...
I will say this... For some reason CE really really gravitates toward
CE gravitates towards whatever makes it look like the biggest cesspit of morons, because CE (myself included) is a cesspit of fucking morons.

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 7:15:34 AM
#129:


FolkenRawr posted...
C'mon man, really?

Edit: In case not crystal clear, this is literally what @Torgo is talking about.

not sure what you mean, but if I understand the context right and she made that picture herself and didn't like look on the internet for something that resembles what she saw, it looks a lot like this thing, right?

https://www.designboom.com/technology/zapata-flyboard-air-hoverboard-07-02-2020/

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PoopPotato
08/22/23 7:17:22 AM
#130:


Military will just be like "yeah bro, we don't know either"
When it's really our tech, we just can't afford to mass produce it yet.

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ragnarokius
08/22/23 7:22:31 AM
#132:


Jesus, what a topic.

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itcheyness
08/22/23 7:30:10 AM
#133:


PoopPotato posted...
Military will just be like "yeah bro, we don't know either"
When it's really our tech, we just can't afford to mass produce it yet.
Or the person answering is not in any way associated with the program and genuinely doesn't know.

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Alteres
08/22/23 7:35:36 AM
#134:


Torgo posted...
I don't give a shit who you are trying to lump me in with, if the conspiracy lunatics accidentally stumble on the skeptical and reasonable position for once, that has no bearing on the validity of the findings. You can believe the right things for bad reasons - a broken clock is technically correct twice a day.

If there are extra-terrestrials and we have evidence, then I will believe it as the credible evidence is presented. Until then It's foolish to declare you know one way or the other.
This entire thing is about trying to get credible evidence.

The entire point of these hearings is to get evidence we know for a fact that government agencies have been collecting for years.

There have been stirrings of this for well over a decade at this point, and when senators ask for these details they get shut down, hence the claims from within the legislature of lack of oversight.

The arguments in these threads are just plain stupid, both the truthers and the people pissed at them should want the evidence released.

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ai123
08/22/23 7:45:01 AM
#135:


Militaries are notoriously reluctant to release info about tech (theirs or other countries) on the grounds that it will shut people up about aliens.

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COVxy
08/22/23 7:49:20 AM
#136:


People with any sense and judgement know that getting "evidence" in this case is a big waste of time and a bureaucratic nightmare. This whole thing is propped up by bad actors who want to waste time and distract the public.

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 7:53:58 AM
#137:


ok, so that picture on the girl's phone is definitely from the internet, from a quora question, it shows the zapata flyboard.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-about-the-Zapata-flyboard

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Alteres
08/22/23 8:48:51 AM
#138:


I guess the question then is one of who is actually in charge, if it isnt our elected representatives in congress, then who?

The president, that most people consider more a figurehead that is supposed to direct their partys agenda?

If these agencies dont answer to the congressional committees set up for that purpose, are they solely self directed?

That seems like an unwise decision, and antithetical to our system of government, but thats just me.

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Torgo
08/22/23 10:41:18 AM
#139:


Alteres posted...
This entire thing is about trying to get credible evidence.

The entire point of these hearings is to get evidence we know for a fact that government agencies have been collecting for years.

There have been stirrings of this for well over a decade at this point, and when senators ask for these details they get shut down, hence the claims from within the legislature of lack of oversight.

The arguments in these threads are just plain stupid, both the truthers and the people pissed at them should want the evidence released.

We all want any evidence released if it exists.

The problem is there are entire communities dedicated to insisting evidence does exist, and quite a few grifters that make a living getting peoples hopes up.

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WingsOfGood
08/22/23 1:08:59 PM
#140:


Torgo posted...
We all want any evidence released if it exists.

You don't speak for as many as you think you do.
Several of the combatant users ITT didn't even want the hearing to happen. They were really mad about it. When it was brought up Grusch was forced to submit via a confidential SCIF they spent posts saying that was false he had nothing blah blah.
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AceMos
08/22/23 1:20:56 PM
#141:


WingsOfGood posted...
You don't speak for as many as you think you do.
Several of the combatant users ITT didn't even want the hearing to happen. They were really mad about it. When it was brought up Grusch was forced to submit via a confidential SCIF they spent posts saying that was false he had nothing blah blah.
not a single shred of evidence came out from the hearing

once again we want to see a video of these things

not eye witness reports claiming stuff

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Rai_Jin
08/22/23 1:26:41 PM
#142:


I don't know, according to reddit further info is blocked by a single person now, Mike Turner.

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name_unknown
08/22/23 1:30:39 PM
#143:


The fraud never did the SCIF and knew he never had clearance in the first place.
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