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Dark_Arbron
08/16/23 9:08:15 AM
#351:


Heineken14 posted...
I feel like it will be VERY easy to weed out any super cultists.

Hopefully, though I remember this quote from many years ago when a guy wrote about his experience going through the system.

Those on the jury who admitted to their prejudice were excused. Those who did not remained.

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Alucard188
08/16/23 9:12:01 AM
#352:


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/15/special-counsel-obtained-trump-twitter-howell-00111410


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IfGodCouldDie
08/16/23 9:12:42 AM
#353:


Heineken14 posted...
I feel like it will be VERY easy to weed out any super cultists.
Yea but with even one that ends up on the jury, what kind of damage can that do to the outcome?

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BunkerBoy
08/16/23 9:13:26 AM
#354:


Alucard188 posted...
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/15/special-counsel-obtained-trump-twitter-howell-00111410
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Heineken14
08/16/23 9:13:55 AM
#355:


Dark_Arbron posted...


Hopefully, though I remember this quote from many years ago when a guy wrote about his experience going through the system.

Those on the jury who admitted to their prejudice were excused. Those who did not remained.


I mean, it's pretty easy to get a Donnie cultist to out themselves. They can't help but eventually say some stupid shit.

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masterpug53
08/16/23 9:14:19 AM
#356:


Let's all take a moment and spare a thought for poor DeSantis and all the other Republican POTUS hopefuls, who cream their pants nightly over being able to bury Trump by chanting 'LOCK HIM UP' with the rest of us, but are forced to toe party lines and fellate Donnie with this 'political weaponization' bullshit narrative so that they don't upset his voting base that they're desperately trying to poach.

And now let's point and laugh at them, because a single thought spared was more than they deserve.

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BunkerBoy
08/16/23 9:14:23 AM
#357:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Yea but with even one that ends up on the jury, what kind of damage can that do to the outcome?
One holdout = hung jury, right?
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ShaneMcComez
08/16/23 9:17:11 AM
#358:


Heineken14 posted...
I feel like it will be VERY easy to weed out any super cultists.
Yeah I agree. It's very easy to tell when someone's been brainwashed by conservative media if you've listened to Fox News enough and Trump supporters speak. Viewers of that crap will often regurgitate talking points and ideas they got from Conservative Media, sometimes without realizing it.

I also doubt any of them are bright enough to lie and con their way onto a jury without revealing anything about themselves. I doubt the vast majority of Americans could pull it off as it's very difficult.
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IfGodCouldDie
08/16/23 9:17:32 AM
#359:


BunkerBoy posted...
One holdout = hung jury, right?
I'm not sure and am not clear on what that means. Like I've heard the term before.

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UnsteadyOwl
08/16/23 9:20:50 AM
#360:


Gritty posted...
You dont its impossible. you cant not have a trial just because of that.
Yeah, Trump is the first ex-president to be indicted but he's hardly the first politician or the first celebrity. It might mean jury selection takes a long time but the justice system can handle a trial for a well known public figure.

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Dark_Arbron
08/16/23 9:22:38 AM
#361:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
I'm not sure and am not clear on what that means. Like I've heard the term before.

If the jury is not unanimous then its declared a mistrial.

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GranAures
08/16/23 9:23:42 AM
#362:


Impartial also does not mean "no opinion" it means being able to set aside that opinion and listen to the facts. It may be harder, but it's not impossible.

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ZaruenKosai
08/16/23 9:54:23 AM
#363:


and a mistrial results in another trial right? (delayed\postponed)

So I assume Trumps plan is to try and get\bribe as many jurors as he can to get as many mistrials as he can , all he has to do is delay it long enough,

he probably thinks that if he can make it to the election he will get the power to refuse to go to jail. (and if he makes it that far without going to prison, and somehow gets voted in. He would probably right, as it is unprecedented and I just don't see the country trying to put a sitting president in jail.

Hopefully, if he somehow manages to delay until the election, he will be voted out anyways (or maybe even lose the primaries but doubt that one.) , in which case , he is pretty much SOL. It would be much easier to jail him again..

Of course, I really hope he ends up convicted long before the election. If he is going to stir up shit, it's better he does it without the power of presidency backing him.

It will be much easier to stop him from trying to tear the country in half, before the election/if he loses the election.
It becomes infinitely more complicated if he somehow gets voted in again and has the presidential power to arrest\ignore those who try to jail him.

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Humble_Novice
08/16/23 10:01:26 AM
#364:


https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1691752832628613178

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Crimsoness
08/16/23 10:02:19 AM
#365:


They lock him up yet?

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TomClark
08/16/23 10:02:44 AM
#366:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1691752832628613178

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/1/AAABqgAAErXj.jpg

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DKBananaSlamma
08/16/23 10:16:19 AM
#367:


https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/242/631/382.gif

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Tyranthraxus
08/16/23 10:16:21 AM
#368:


Crimsoness posted...
They lock him up yet?
Trial hasn't started. Please hold on to your horses.

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Nok_Su_Kow
08/16/23 10:33:28 AM
#369:


Humble_Novice posted...
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1691752832628613178
So happy to see people calling out that top reply that's "so sick of democrat and republican power trips, join No Labels" and saying how No Labels is a dark money GOP funded scheme to split the vote to get Donny reelected. As Optimus Prime historically said "Fat Chance".
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Tyranthraxus
08/16/23 10:41:03 AM
#370:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
So happy to see people calling out that top reply that's "so sick of democrat and republican power trips, join No Labels" and saying how No Labels is a dark money GOP funded scheme to split the vote to get Donny reelected. As Optimus Prime historically said "Fat Chance".
Pretty much every poll I've seen has shown middle of road shit like this pull more votes from Republicans than Democrats. These things basically just increase the chances that the Republicans will lose so they should cancel these projects if they were smar... Oh wait.

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BewmHedshot
08/16/23 11:37:36 AM
#371:


Any normal traitor to the country would be locked up pending trial and denied bail, but this guy who OWNS A PRIVATE JET hasn't even had a mugshot taken or passport confiscated.
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DnDer
08/16/23 11:47:42 AM
#372:


Alucard188 posted...
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/15/special-counsel-obtained-trump-twitter-howell-00111410

I have thoughts about the federal government being able to access non-public communication even on a social media platform. It just feels like one of those, "Does the govt have the right to read your mail and open your briefcase just because they asked nicely?" issues. I know there's something about that as an issue in tech, and part of why advocates say don't rely on it, and use end to end encrypted apps instead...

But arguments about executive privilege are 90% bullshit.

The other 10% are the realizations that Spicer said tweets were official communications from the office of the president of the United States. That would leave the door open that some of the business (including DMs) conducted on that account might actually be privileged.

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Tyranthraxus
08/16/23 11:50:16 AM
#373:


DnDer posted...
I have thoughts about the federal government being able to access non-public communication even on a social media platform. It just feels like one of those, "Does the govt have the right to read your mail and open your briefcase just because they asked nicely?" issues. I know there's something about that as an issue in tech, and part of why advocates say don't rely on it, and use end to end encrypted apps instead...

But arguments about executive privilege are 90% bullshit.

The other 10% are the realizations that Spicer said tweets were official communications from the office of the president of the United States. That would leave the door open that some of the business (including DMs) conducted on that account might actually be privileged.
Nothing Spicer said is legally binding.

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toreysback
08/16/23 11:50:20 AM
#374:


a document which was shown to any third party cannot be privileged

tweets, therefore, are not privileged. so they were discoverable

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DnDer
08/16/23 12:03:47 PM
#375:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Nothing Spicer said is legally binding.

I'd like to think that, but Trump literally dictated policy, including banning trans soldiers from serving, through Twitter.

Something about that whole thing was official.

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DnDer
08/16/23 12:04:14 PM
#376:


toreysback posted...
tweets, therefore, are not privileged. so they were discoverable

But DMs?

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Tyranthraxus
08/16/23 12:22:36 PM
#378:


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I guess that's right but holding people pending trial usually isn't what I think most people have in mind when they say lock someone up.

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toreysback
08/16/23 12:26:50 PM
#379:


DnDer posted...
But DMs?

DM's to whom? DM's to a co-conspirator are not privileged merely because they all are part of a conspiracy

a DM to and from a lawyer, for example, would likely be privileged

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BunkerBoy
08/16/23 12:28:15 PM
#380:


toreysback posted...
a DM to and from a lawyer, for example, would likely be privileged
Well, only if it was a specifically retained lawyer I think.

And we know how fond Trump is of actually paying...
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Kradek
08/16/23 12:30:27 PM
#381:


BurmesePenguin posted...
It's simple.

Hire Israeli nationals for the jury.

How does that make sense? Israeli citizens love Trump after he moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, something that most U.S. President's had resisted even though Israel has wanted it for decades. They overwhelmingly supported Trump over Biden by 70 to 13%.

That's as "fair" as moving the case to West Virginia lol.

IfGodCouldDie posted...
What are the odds in any of his trials he is found innocent due to supporters on the jury?

Unless I'm mistaken, all of these cases have had the evidence presented before a grand jury, which is a makeup of regular people similar to a jury pool, who then weigh if the evidence validates the charges, and we are where we are because of those grand juries.

Obviously there's going to be places places where this is less realistic ~cough~ West Virginia ~cough~, however those grand juries being free from Trumpers sabotaging the cases should at least give a little hope for future juries.

But that's also part of the reason they are trying to make the state cases federal and relocate the federal ones, because then it will go to a new court which could potentially give them a "friendlier" judge and jury pool more biased in his favor.

Bottom line is, your crimes are supposed to be prosecuted where they're committed. If Trump wanted to have West Virginians deciding his fate over Jan 6th, then he should have attempted his coup and stealing of the election in West Virginia.

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toreysback
08/16/23 12:32:32 PM
#382:


as long as that lawyer was ostensibly working for trump, paid or unpaid, there's a good argument for privilege

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08/16/23 1:01:39 PM
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froghunter75
08/16/23 1:04:26 PM
#383:


For what it's worth privilege doesn't extend to future or current crimes. If your lawyer believes you are actually going to commit another crime they are supposed to report that and if you and your lawyer are conspiring together to commit a crime that also isn't privileged.

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Kradek
08/16/23 1:14:29 PM
#384:


GranAures posted...
Impartial also does not mean "no opinion" it means being able to set aside that opinion and listen to the facts. It may be harder, but it's not impossible.

Yes, and it's feasible.

There was a juror in regards to Manafort's case (I think) where she said afterwards that she's a Republican and a Trumper, but she had to set that aside, look at the evidence, and come to the logical conclusion.

Obviously Manafort isn't Trump himself, however it is at least a sign that they can put their devotion aside when smacked in the face with the evidence right-wing propaganda networks won't let them know.

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Tora_Sami
08/16/23 1:57:36 PM
#385:


Alucard188 posted...
Lock him up!


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Unsuprised_Pika
08/16/23 2:00:59 PM
#386:


Alucard188 posted...
Lock him up!


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MabusIncarnate
08/16/23 2:13:41 PM
#387:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/1/AAakoXAAEwe5.jpg

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08/16/23 3:03:52 PM
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Jadeite_McSwag
08/16/23 4:43:57 PM
#389:


Alucard188 posted...
Lock him up!
We got him this time!
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derp420
08/16/23 4:50:25 PM
#390:


Jadeite_McSwag posted...
We got him this time!
Indeed! *cheers*

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Jadeite_McSwag
08/16/23 4:55:38 PM
#391:


derp420 posted...
Indeed! *cheers*
This time for sure I am sure of it
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ArchonKnight
08/16/23 4:57:40 PM
#392:


Jadeite_McSwag posted...
This time for sure I am sure of it

What kind of coping is this

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Jadeite_McSwag
08/16/23 5:00:33 PM
#393:


ArchonKnight posted...
What kind of coping is this
Wdym? I am just stating that this is the time they will get Trump
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KI_Simpson
08/16/23 5:06:44 PM
#394:


Jadeite_McSwag posted...
Wdym? I am just stating that this is the time they will get Trump
How the hell do people still think "lol no one but me is smart enough to get sarcasm i'm a genius!11" is a clever trolling tactic?

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CanardElastique
08/16/23 5:08:19 PM
#395:


Jadeite_McSwag posted...
Wdym? I am just stating that this is the time they will get Trump
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/3/AAAwUhAADaiJ.jpg

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Jadeite_McSwag
08/16/23 5:10:07 PM
#396:


I'm serious. Trump is finished, they have got him for sure.
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Heineken14
08/16/23 5:12:33 PM
#397:


Jadeite_McSwag posted...
I'm serious. Trump is finished, they have got him for sure.


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Kradek
08/16/23 5:21:29 PM
#399:


KI_Simpson posted...
How the hell do people still think "lol no one but me is smart enough to get sarcasm i'm a genius!11" is a clever trolling tactic?

Right? They come here with the same old tired and cliched trolling gimmicks and act surprised that we aren't taken aback by it.

This was most noticeable on 261 when they'd pretend to act amazed that we could identify their same old tropes the previous trolls had used.

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