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CARRRNE_ASADA
08/14/23 4:00:02 PM
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Like not discouraging him or make him stop when he's trying to hunt? He gets one every few months or so and theyre just basic birds. BTW I dont really own the cat. Just a stray I feed and who has now decided they live in my house.

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Irony
08/14/23 4:00:34 PM
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Kind of since it's just hunting for fun

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hereforemnant
08/14/23 4:00:35 PM
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That is and yes, cats kill billions of birds every year, & have made some go extinct

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ArkhamOrigins
08/14/23 4:01:29 PM
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I mean, if it's an outside cat, not much you can do about that.

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xlr_big-coop
08/14/23 4:01:43 PM
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I'd say yes, but you do you

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Smiffwilm
08/14/23 4:01:46 PM
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https://youtu.be/9erLsEHAZRI

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nocturnal_traveler
08/14/23 4:01:51 PM
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You should encourage your cat to hunt rodents instead.

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ZevLoveDOOM
08/14/23 4:02:18 PM
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gotta keep that bird population in check yo!
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s0nicfan
08/14/23 4:02:57 PM
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Yes. Outdoor cats devastate natural bird populations:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/moral-cost-of-cats-180960505/

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ejolson
08/14/23 4:11:34 PM
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No. Yes, cats kill birds, but that is not the only things they hunt. By and large, and my family has owned many, many cats, I have seen cats kill and eat rabbits more than anything, followed by squirrels. Rabbits can decimate gardens and squirrels are just all around nuisances that also impact bird populations due to the competition for food in domestic environments.

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:12:55 PM
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Anyone who stops their cat from hunting is bad.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
08/14/23 4:31:09 PM
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Its just that he seems happier having best of both worlds? Like getting to live a full cat life while still having somewhere to fall back down to with food security and pets. So at the same time not much I can do, really. I just noticed cause my 5 year old kid came giggling towards me (wfh) saying how the cat is eating a bird. But yeah, he wasnt really eating and took the bird with him away.

At least the bird was dead this time. Last one kept chirping while the cat kept playing with it. Seemed cruel, but I understand its their nature.

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Big_Nabendu
08/14/23 4:33:21 PM
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Wtf are these posts? Lol

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VeesMcGees
08/14/23 4:34:38 PM
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Yes.
Cats are detrimental to native fauna.
Personally, Id love to see people who let their cats wreak havoc receive fines.
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TheGoldenEel
08/14/23 4:40:51 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Anyone who stops their cat from hunting is bad.
Outdoor cats are essentially an invasive species

if they werent pets thered be DNR campaigns to eliminate them

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/rcna41768

In the U.S., cats kill an estimated 2.4 billion birds every year, more than double the number of birds killed by cars, windows, wind turbines, power lines and communication towers combined. And this is all on top of the estimated 478 million reptiles, 173 million amphibians and 12.3 billion mammals that cats in the U.S. kill every year. Some of those mammals are undoubtedly mice. Many are not. An Australian study found that feral, or free-ranging unowned cats, prey on 400 different species there, including 28 threatened and endangered species.

A single cat and her offspring, brought to New Zealands remote Stephens Island in 1894, wiped the Stephens Island wren off the face of the earth. Thats just one of the more than 60 vertebrate extinctions around the world that domestic cats have played a hand in, making up a quarter of all modern reptile, bird and mammal extinctions.

So yes, cats are an invasive alien species. To claim that cats are not invasive is a sign of myopic love for cats and ignorance of the many species they harm. For the record, I like cats. There are two cats lazing around the house as I write this. But I also like ecological diversity and the joy of seeing frogs peek out of the water and hearing birdsongs in my backyard.

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Were_Wyrm
08/14/23 4:44:15 PM
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If birds were real I'd say yes.

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:44:55 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Outdoor cats are essentially an invasive species

if they werent pets thered be DNR campaigns to eliminate them

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/rcna41768
But they're pets so that's moot.

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TheGoldenEel
08/14/23 4:45:53 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
But they're pets so that's moot.
Its not moot

outdoor cats should be illegal

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:47:07 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
outdoor cats should be illegal
lmao

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TheGoldenEel
08/14/23 4:47:38 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
lmao
shut the fuck up

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:49:03 PM
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No, I can't stop laughing.

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Zikten
08/14/23 4:49:35 PM
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My cat lives a comfy indoor only life. Cats are said to live longer if indoor only, also. That's what I've been told
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VeesMcGees
08/14/23 4:50:06 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
But they're pets so that's moot.
Some people sss to deal with them.

TheGoldenEel posted...
Its not moot

outdoor cats should be illegal
Parts of Australia have banned outdoor cats and made tnr illegal.
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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:50:39 PM
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Most animals live longer if you keep them captive and away from the big world outside they should be living in.

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Tyranthraxus
08/14/23 4:52:57 PM
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The only species of dog native to North America is extinct because cats ate all their food.

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viewmaster_pi
08/14/23 4:53:25 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Most animals live longer if you keep them captive and away from the big world outside they should be living in.
weird post. should everyone just... let their dogs out too, and hope for the best? domestic animals don't belong in the big world outside, because they aren't wild animals. tigers and lions belong outside, house cats belong in... you know... houses? where they can't fuck up ecosystems and spread feline aids to each other

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:54:22 PM
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I'm not a dog person so I have no opinion.

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TheGoldenEel
08/14/23 4:55:33 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Most animals live longer if you keep them captive and away from the big world outside they should be living in.
Cats arent native to anywhere in the americas, they shouldnt be outside there at all

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Enclave
08/14/23 4:55:50 PM
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House cats are an invasive species and absolutely shouldn't be allowed to be outdoor animals.

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:57:04 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Cats arent native to anywhere in the americas, they shouldnt be outside there at all
lmao

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VeesMcGees
08/14/23 4:57:38 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The only species of dog native to North America is extinct because cats ate all their food.
Wut?
Are you referring to some prehistoric species of something canid-adjacent like borophagus?
The Indians dog breeds went extinct from disease brought by European dogs.
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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 4:59:31 PM
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VeesMcGees posted...
Wut?
Are you referring to some prehistoric species of something canid-adjacent m
Native Americans had dogs before Europeans arrived. I think the chihuahua is descended from a New World dog, but that might be wrong.

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VFalcone
08/14/23 4:59:45 PM
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Goddamn some people are stupid. Keep your cats inside. "Letting your cat outside let's it live a fulfilling life in the wild" my ass. Your cat is a PET, not a wild animal.

If you want to go by that rule, let's let all the dogs run around outside, form packs, and slaughter everything in their path to give them a fulfilling life. Better yet, let's let ALL of the pythons, iguanas, monitors, frogs, fish, pigs, cows, horses, ferrets, hamsters, rats, birds/parrots, and anything else that could be considered a pet outside so they can have fulfilling lives in the wild.

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Thermador446
08/14/23 5:00:09 PM
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Birds spread disease, so cat is keeping that in check.
But you should get vaccinations if it is staying with you.

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Tyranthraxus
08/14/23 5:00:46 PM
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VeesMcGees posted...
Wut?
Are you referring to some prehistoric species of something canid-adjacent like borophagus?
The Indians dog breeds went extinct from disease brought by European dogs.

No this would have happened before the European colonists arrived.

https://cattime.com/trending/10957-ancient-cats-almost-caused-the-extinction-of-ancient-dogs

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Enclave
08/14/23 5:01:15 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
lmao

I mean, it's true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife

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TheGoldenEel
08/14/23 5:02:25 PM
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Enclave posted...
I mean, it's true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife
That user is just a troll, apparently, factual information doesnt matter to them

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DeadBankerDream
08/14/23 5:05:08 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
That user is just a troll, apparently, factual information doesnt matter to them
You're right in the sense that I don't find this particular factual information useful in an argument against letting your cat outside.

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Tyranthraxus
08/14/23 5:06:59 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
You're right in the sense that I don't find this particular factual information useful in an argument against letting your cat outside.
I guess if empirical environmental harm doesn't convince you then there's no point in arguing this with you any further.

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VFalcone
08/14/23 5:08:11 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I guess if empirical environmental harm doesn't convince you then there's no point in arguing this with you any further.
It's akin to arguing with a climate change denier.
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ai123
08/14/23 5:08:43 PM
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As the cat's owner, you have no say in the matter.

You could keep it indoors the whole time, but you'll never train a cat not to hunt.

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VeesMcGees
08/14/23 5:17:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No this would have happened before the European colonists arrived.

https://cattime.com/trending/10957-ancient-cats-almost-caused-the-extinction-of-ancient-dogs
Whereas cat is synonymous with all members of felidae, dog is mostly used to the domesticated species. Prehistoric felidae still out-hunted the dogs canidae ancestor-cousins though. Our currents pets are a long way from both.

Also, if anyone tries to say this, hyenas are not cats. Being feliformia is not felidae. Hyenas are more closely related to cats than dogs, but they are not cats. By the same logic, one would call seals dogs.
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Tyranthraxus
08/14/23 5:20:45 PM
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Aside from being carnivorous mammals, seals have absolutely nothing to do with dogs.

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