Current Events > Is there a big wedge issue in american politics than abortion?

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Taxing the rich.

how do you feel about this issue though?

Mayo or miracle whip.

It's a fake issue specifically designed to rile up and divide people. To keep them talking about ANYTHING but the actual political divide in America: 100 mega-rich people vs. everyone else.

It's absolutely not fake. Just ask the women who have had to travel out of state to get one in order to not die. Or the women who can't leave their state and have been sent back to their cars being told "wait till you are bleeding to death, then we can give you one".

Yeah of course the current consequences are devastating and real, but it's an invented issue. Prior to Roe vs. Wade almost nobody had a political opinion about abortion. Everyone thought it was just a medical thing between you and your doctor; nobody (including Republicans and evangelicals) considered it morally wrong. Republicans were looking for a new way to rile up evangelicals since segregation was on its way out, though, and this is what they picked. Despite a few early hiccups, it took off with a boom.

I don't mean it's fake like it doesn't have real consequences, though.

Yeah of course the current consequences are devastating and real, but it's an invented issue. Prior to Roe vs. Wade almost nobody had a political opinion about abortion. Everyone thought it was just a medical thing between you and your doctor; nobody (including Republicans and evangelicals) considered it morally wrong. Republicans were looking for a new way to rile up evangelicals since segregation was on its way out, though, and this is what they picked. Despite a few early hiccups, it took off with a boom.

I don't mean it's fake like it doesn't have real consequences, though.

Regular vs boneless wings

Fair enough. Phyllis Schlaefy, may she fucking rot, was the primary driver behind it. Falwell and his mutants were the ones who picked it up and ran with it but that bitch is the one who really kicked it off.

You just made literally all of that up.

oh really, who was she? never heard of her. This was around the time that roe first started in '73 right, not recently?

guns

Treating trans people as human seems to be a major point of contention

Mayo or miracle whip.

I'm pretty open minded but I do think people who prefer Miracle Whip should be sent to reeducation camps.

It's like a litmus test for the quality of an individual.

Because if you don't support abortion rights you aren't a good person with zero exceptions.

oh really? you think so? every single pro life person?

If you aren't in favor of abortion rights you aren't a good person. Period.

You can be against abortion and be a good person, but you still need to support the right of others to make their own choice.

yeah i commpletely agree. "If you don't like abortion then don't get one" Many people say this. pro lifers want to meddle in a lot of other people's business imo. And, above that you have some pro lifers who secretly would get an abortion if it applied to them while restricting it for others. Disgusting, people should be mad at that.

Right now: We are unfortunately debating whether or not LGBTQ people deserve civil rights.

It's a fake issue specifically designed to rile up and divide people. To keep them talking about ANYTHING but the actual political divide in America: 100 mega-rich people vs. everyone else.

Class essentialism is stupid.

Yes, class is the biggest dividing factor in the USA and capitalist society as a whole, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other dividing factors that are also important to fight for.

It's like a litmus test for the quality of an individual.

Because if you don't support abortion rights you aren't a good person with zero exceptions.

As such, many are traumatized from childhood to believe these things, and that going against their religious indoctrination will result in their loving god sending them to eternal damnation and suffering at the hands of evil beings he allows to exist in a dimension of eternal, unimaginable torture he created specifically for his creations that don't worship him hard enough.

I actually disagree here... on reproductive rights, a lot of these "pro-lifers" are just indoctrinated in with their religious beliefs. Most have never thought about it, many are elderly women or men who don't have to worry about becoming pregnant.

I sympathize but as long as you are victimizing other people with your choices the reasons don't really matter. If they change their ways they will be good people, but right now they're bad people through ignorance.

If you aren't in favor of abortion rights you aren't a good person. Period.

You can be against abortion and be a good person, but you still need to support the right of others to make their own choice.

Should taxes go towards paying for it?

As one of the more absurd righties on CE (actually an Ayn Rand anarchist) the value proposition of paying for abortion is better than paying for child benefits.

I'm so far right sometimes, I'm mathematically left.

Shush, you.

As one of the more absurd righties on CE (actually an Ayn Rand anarchist) the value proposition of paying for abortion is better than paying for child benefits.

I'm so far right sometimes, I'm mathematically left.