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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 7:48:30 PM #1: |
They now get $170k:
After contract negotiations this summer, full-time drivers for UPS saw their salaries boosted from $145,000 to $170,000 annually including benefits, according to data shared by the shipping company on a recent call. Source: https://fortune.com/2023/08/08/ups-drivers-170000-union-agreement-teamsters-middle-class-bidenomics/amp/ Woooow. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 08/08/23 7:49:35 PM #2: |
Good.
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Intro2Logic 08/08/23 7:50:06 PM #3: |
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SuperShake666 08/08/23 7:50:51 PM #4: |
You're free to drive 12 hours in a hot truck every day.
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Skankhair 08/08/23 7:51:08 PM #5: |
Looks like unions are good for workers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 08/08/23 7:51:25 PM #6: |
SuperShake666 posted...
You're free to drive 12 hours in a hot truck every day.For that I'll do it in a coat --- See profile pic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 7:51:44 PM #7: |
Intro2Logic posted...
1. "Including benefits" doing some heavy lifting thereGood point on #1. BBC says ~$100k in salary, with the old $145k figure: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66445496.amp Assuming benefit costs are the same, thats now $125k in straight salary for driving and delivering boxes. Wild. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torgo 08/08/23 7:51:57 PM #8: |
Yeah, those benefits being treated as though you are actually using up your full coverage allowance.
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 7:52:14 PM #9: |
https://www.upperinc.com/blog/ups-driver-salary/ Washington $62,505 $30.05 Maryland $61,709 $29.67 Nebraska $60,422 $29.05 Virginia $59,629 $28.67 New York $59,560 $28.63 Delaware $57,768 $27.77 New Hampshire $57,620 $27.70 Oklahoma $56,158 $27.00 California $55,951 $26.90 Massachusetts $55,194 $26.54 Vermont $54,335 $26.12 Hawaii $53,433 $25.69 Wyoming $53,284 $25.62 Idaho $52,592 $25.28 Connecticut $51,960 $24.98 Maine $51,899 $24.95 West Virginia $51,761 $24.89 Rhode Island $51,216 $24.62 Texas $50,950 $24.50 Alaska $50,914 $24.48 Pennsylvania $50,885 $24.46 New Jersey $50,597 $24.33 Montana $50,538 $24.30 Nevada $50,513 $24.29 North Dakota $50,498 $24.28 Arizona $50,017 $24.05 Indiana $49,697 $23.89 Minnesota $49,294 $23.70 Tennessee $49,247 $23.68 Wisconsin $49,032 $23.57 South Dakota $49,023 $23.57 Ohio $48,890 $23.50 Oregon $48,264 $23.20 Utah $48,259 $23.20 Georgia $48,251 $23.20 Louisiana $47,806 $22.98 South Carolina $47,733 $22.95 Colorado $47,552 $22.86 Kansas $47,541 $22.86 Alabama $47,122 $22.65 Iowa $47,070 $22.63 New Mexico $46,586 $22.40 Florida $45,476 $21.86 Kentucky $45,448 $21.85 (starting salary) Arkansas $44,646 $21.46 Michigan $44,626 $21.45 Mississippi $44,537 $21.41 Illinois $44,403 $21.35 Missouri $43,694 $21.01 North Carolina $40,675 $19.56 Where $170K ? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivany2008 08/08/23 7:53:32 PM #10: |
Sounds to me like its a hot vehicle, and they probably have to pay for their own gas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 7:53:35 PM #11: |
visual of above so where are they making $170K ? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/7/1/AAefUOAAEvJH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 7:54:10 PM #12: |
IdiotMachine posted... Assuming benefit costs are the same, thats now $125k in straight salary for driving and delivering boxes. Wild. Thats still way less than the amount of money they generate through their labor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 7:55:01 PM #13: |
WingsOfGood posted...
visual of aboveI dont care about some random article vs reputable news agencies reporting it straight from an earnings call from UPS. UPS gets no benefits in telling their stockholders in an earnings call that theyre paying a ridiculously high amount. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 7:55:23 PM #14: |
WingsOfGood posted... so where are they making $170K ? Its including all benefits and is being misleading. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AI_TechGam3FAQS 08/08/23 7:55:51 PM #15: |
No longer using UPS
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Heineken14 08/08/23 7:57:02 PM #16: |
AI_TechGam3FAQS posted...
No longer using UPS Pretty shitty viewpoint, but you do you, I guess. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 7:57:09 PM #17: |
IdiotMachine posted... theyre paying a ridiculously high amount. Its not a ridiculously high an amount, its just a portion of the profit the workers generate. In the US weve just been conditioned by non-union jobs to accept a ridiculously low amount. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 7:57:47 PM #18: |
https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html
UPS own website got updated: UPS full-time small package delivery drivers receive an average total compensation package of $145,000 per year. That includes $0 healthcare premiums, up to seven weeks of paid vacation, plus paid time off for holidays, sick leave and option days. UPS also makes contributions to a defined-benefit pension plan for each employee. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/08/23 7:57:56 PM #19: |
IdiotMachine posted...
I don't like the information presented so Imma call it fake news. REEEEEEE!\In reality the company should be happy they got off that light. They make 74 billion a year in profit with a 1.57 increase year over year. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 7:58:38 PM #20: |
AI_TechGam3FAQS posted... No longer using UPS Because they pay well? Thats hilarious ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 7:58:41 PM #21: |
ups own site https://about.ups.com/us/en/newsroom/negotiations/media-fast-facts.html On average, delivery drivers earn $95,000 per year in wages. https://news.yahoo.com/ups-driver-pay-deal-us-183658717.html UPS driver pay and benefits deal in US to be worth $170,000 a year, firm says Prior to the new deal, the company said drivers earned about $95,000 in pay annually on average or about $42 an hour, and another $50,000 in benefits. So sounds like they make $50k but the company puts their benefit as "worth" 120k wow https://www.zippia.com/truck-driver-jobs/ups-driver-payscale/ The nationwide average salary for UPS drivers is $56,146 per year or $27 per hour. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 08/08/23 7:58:43 PM #22: |
There's also the fact that very few drivers are guys just hired off the street. It was 1/5 last I was there and youre usually getting a former employee of a rival company.
Generally, youve put in nearly a decade working inside operations as a part timer before you get a chance to bid on a driver position. That's why every driver you see is at least 30. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 7:59:24 PM #23: |
IdiotMachine posted... I dont care about some random article vs reputable news agencies reporting it straight from an earnings call from UPS. UPS gets no benefits in telling their stockholders in an earnings call that theyre paying a ridiculously high amount. The nationwide average salary for UPS drivers is $56,146 per year or $27 per hour. You got tricked. How does it feel? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 8:00:25 PM #24: |
Skankhair posted...
Its not a ridiculously high an amount, its just a portion of the profit the workers generate. In the US weve just been conditioned by non-union jobs to accept a ridiculously low amount.You misunderstood my post. I said UPS has no gains in publically stating, in an earnings call to their investors, that theyre paying a ridiculous amount for their drivers, so if anything, theyre downplaying the $170k figure, because investors want any additional profit sent back to them. I didnt say the pay is a ridiculous amount. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 8:02:06 PM #25: |
https://www.comparably.com/salaries/salaries-for-ups-driver-united-parcel-service-driver U.S. Average $68,369 https://www.truckdriverssalary.com/ups-driver-salary/ Currently, the starting salary for a UPS package car driver is $18.75 an hour. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 8:02:41 PM #26: |
IdiotMachine posted...
Then I didnt misunderstand your post. It is not a ridiculous amount for the job they do since the job they do creates even more profit than what they are getting. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 8:02:52 PM #27: |
IdiotMachine posted... You misunderstood my post. I said UPS has no gains in publically stating, in an earnings call to their investors, that theyre paying a ridiculous amount for their drivers, so if anything, theyre downplaying the $170k figure, because investors want any additional profit sent back to them. I didnt say the pay is a ridiculous amount. You have to be trolling. Even ChatGPT says this is lie: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/7/8/AAefUOAAEvJO.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BunkerBoy 08/08/23 8:04:16 PM #28: |
Skankhair posted... Because they pay well? Thats hilariousThat's the pony avatar incel who lives with his parents and sends people racist PMs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 08/08/23 8:04:56 PM #29: |
BunkerBoy posted...
I don't think you understand just how many alt-right trolls you just described. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IMNOTRAGED 08/08/23 8:05:19 PM #30: |
IdiotMachine posted...
Assuming benefit costs are the same, thats now $125k in straight salary for driving and delivering boxes. Wild. UPS drivers are a vital part of our society and economy's continued function. There shouldn't be anything wild about this at all --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 8:05:36 PM #31: |
Skankhair posted...
Then I didnt misunderstand your post. It is not a ridiculous amount for the job they do since the job they do creates even more profit than what they are getting.It is absolutely a ridiculous amount when fedex, a direct competitor, can do ups job for not even $21/hr: https://careers.fedex.com/express-delivery-driver If I was an investor, Id be pissed that UPS is overpaying their employees compared to FedEx. As a customer, though, fuck FedEx; UPS is great. And good for the workers to get paid accordingly. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 08/08/23 8:06:36 PM #32: |
IdiotMachine posted...
It is absolutely a ridiculous amount when fedex, a direct competitor, can do ups job for not even $21/hr: IdiotMachine posted...
So looks like in your eyes, they can't do UPS' job. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 8:08:05 PM #33: |
IdiotMachine posted... It is absolutely a ridiculous amount when fedex, a direct competitor, can do ups job for not even $21/hr: Looks like FedEx is paying a ridiculously low amount and needs a better union. It also looks like you need to improve your economic literacy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IMNOTRAGED 08/08/23 8:09:22 PM #34: |
IdiotMachine posted...
If I was an investor, Id be pissed that UPS is overpaying their employees compared to FedEx. A good argument as to why we shouldn't base so much of our civilization around private profit seeing as that's a fucking stupid stance to take on any grounds other than "I'm not gonna make quite as much money off of someone else's labor." --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 08/08/23 8:09:33 PM #35: |
Skankhair posted...
Looks like FedEx is paying a ridiculously low amount and needs a better union. It also looks like you need to improve your economic literacy.FedEx is not union --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 08/08/23 8:09:45 PM #36: |
I'm unclear as to what this topic is even about.
So let's say they make 145k a year and just negotiated to 170k a year. Why are you upset about that 25k a year increase? Are you the arbiter of value and not the actual company that chose to pay these people that much? --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 8:09:48 PM #37: |
Heineken14 posted...
So looks like in your eyes, they can't do UPS' job.Sure they can. Both FedEx and UPS gets packages delivered to me. UPS just does it better, which is why I like them more. The bottom line is that they both can deliver packages; one just does it better. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 8:10:12 PM #38: |
ah there it is https://www.pressherald.com/2023/08/08/everyone-wants-to-work-at-ups-after-union-scores-170000-driver-pay/ UPS shared some details of the new labor contract on its earnings call. Full-time drivers will make around $170,000 in annual pay and benefits by the end of the five year contract. 5 years from now maybe they might be able to add up the pay and benefits for the top earners and it come out to an inflated 170k again: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66445496 UPS said the average full-time driver would earn about $170,000 (135,000) annually, including healthcare and other benefits, by the end of the five-year contract. But again this is what UPS is saying and they aren't paying that money they are figuring benefits 5 years from now they give be worth that..... Yet every other source says the average a driver makes is 50-60 k that is 110k difference..... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naysaspace 08/08/23 8:10:26 PM #39: |
Lol they make like 17 bucks an hour in Canada ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 08/08/23 8:10:37 PM #40: |
IdiotMachine posted...
It is absolutely a ridiculous amount when fedex, a direct competitor, can do ups job for not even $21/hr:FedEx contracts their drives. They have to pay fees on their trucks and pay for part of the maintenance and repairs. It's a racket. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IdiotMachine 08/08/23 8:10:50 PM #41: |
ClayGuida posted...
I'm unclear as to what this topic is even about.Im not upset. Im happy for them. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bluezero 08/08/23 8:11:40 PM #42: |
SuperShake666 posted...
You're free to drive 12 hours in a hot truck every day.For $170k I will --- i7-12700F - 3080 - 32GB 3200 - 1440p Ultrawide ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 08/08/23 8:11:43 PM #43: |
Imagine getting upset that people doing a job are getting paid actual money
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BunkerBoy 08/08/23 8:11:48 PM #44: |
IdiotMachine posted... It is absolutely a ridiculous amountI think you don't understand the value of labor ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 08/08/23 8:12:04 PM #45: |
GeraldDarko posted...
FedEx contracts their drives. They have to pay fees on their trucks and pay for part of the maintenance and repairs. It's a racket.They also have to arrange for someone to take their route if they call off. UPS, you just call off and the company figures it out. Usually with an alternate driver. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/08/23 8:12:54 PM #46: |
nevertheless hope they do it again and get even more money in half a year or more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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boomgetchopped3 08/08/23 8:13:26 PM #47: |
Including benefits could be taken to mean two completely different things. The only way to say this without causing confusion is to specify base salary. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skankhair 08/08/23 8:13:27 PM #48: |
Jiek_Fafn posted... FedEx is not union Yay, you figured out my point ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 08/08/23 8:13:54 PM #49: |
WingsOfGood posted...
nevertheless hope they do it again and get even more money in half a year or moreThey typically negotiate for a 3 or 4 year contract. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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