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radical_rhino
08/06/23 6:36:09 PM
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Those are all good quotes that show he has an understanding of the business.

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Turbam
08/06/23 6:36:27 PM
#52:


They knew how to make a kickass intro theme

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AlveinFencer
08/06/23 6:40:13 PM
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AceMos posted...
no no its really not it removed all the complexities of the character arcs
Didn't the dub have Mahad/Dark Magician say that Bakura's village getting sacrificed to make the Millennium Items was okay because "every person in that village was evil" or something like that? It's been a while.

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WellKnownNomad
08/06/23 6:40:56 PM
#54:


radical_rhino posted...
Those are all good quotes that show he has an understanding of the business.
Great quotes like manga is dying in Japan and Japan is over

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TheWizardOfOrz
08/06/23 6:47:56 PM
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WellKnownNomad posted...
Great quotes like manga is dying in Japan and Japan is over
Those are the two quotes I'm most puzzled about; a few of the others are rude but I don't see them as racist.

"Manga is dying in Japan" isn't really racist either; regardless of his opinion on how successful manga is doing is right or totally wrong.

"Japan is over" could be racist but it's mostly baffling as to what he actually means, and that's probably in part due to the "..." at the end that shows it's part of a larger quote. It's hard to even know what he means without context, but yeah, I'll still grant this one looks bad.

Not seeing how that makes 4kids racist as a whole? One confusing partial quote from an image meme?

As far as I know for the "not wanting things to look Japanese" part it's because they thought kids were dumb and didn't want to confuse them with cultural references.

As far as I know for the "not wanting things to look Japanese" part it's because they thought kids were dumb and didn't want to confuse them with cultural references.
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WalkingLobsters
08/06/23 6:51:58 PM
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Nothing about that is racist. People just want a reason to bitch

wouldnt even be surprised if its some men children who have a history of racism are projecting

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WellKnownNomad
08/06/23 9:43:30 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Nothing about that is racist. People just want a reason to bitch

wouldnt even be surprised if its some men children who have a history of racism are projecting
having CEO mock Japan seems pretty racist to me

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Baha05
08/06/23 9:45:32 PM
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WellKnownNomad posted...
having CEO mock Japan seems pretty racist to me
What were they mocking specifically?

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Xatrion
08/06/23 9:53:55 PM
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AceMos posted...
they did not want ot dub one peace it was forced on them by toei

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. Forced on them or no, they could, and should, have done better.

They took an established ip, butchered away everything that made it great, edited it to high hell and back for no reason, just for the sake of 'appealing to a broad audience'.

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Baha05
08/06/23 9:58:41 PM
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Xatrion posted...
Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. Forced on them or no, they could, and should, have done better.

They took an established ip, butchered away everything that made it great, edited it to high hell and back for no reason, just for the sake of 'appealing to a broad audience'.
Problem is that if they werent the ones calling the shits their hands might have been tied.

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Foppe
08/07/23 12:07:12 AM
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WellKnownNomad posted...
Great quotes like manga is dying in Japan and Japan is over
People have said that comics are dying in USA since the 90s, were they racists?

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Punished_Blinx
08/07/23 12:11:38 AM
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Their job is to translate anime and sell/merchandise it as a kids cartoon in the US yeah?

I understand why anime enthusiasts don't like them. But they aren't the audience that are being catered to.

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AceMos
08/07/23 12:31:26 AM
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TheWizardOfOrz posted...
That's not racism though?

It's a marketing decision based on them not thinking kids would understand it.
i never said it was racist thats nomad pulling shit out of his ass like always

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DarkChozoGhost
08/07/23 12:47:37 AM
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I'm not going to say the dude was definitely racist, since a compilation of quotes out of context isn't a fair way to judge somebody. But looking at the whole picture being painted here, he does seem like he might be kinda racist.

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Naysaspace
08/07/23 12:49:40 AM
#66:


Rule 847 of the internet:

Talk about anything, and some bozo will inevitably jump in and shout "NOOO DEY WAS WAYSIST"
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WellKnownNomad
08/07/23 11:03:45 AM
#67:


AceMos posted...
i never said it was racist thats nomad pulling shit out of his ass like always
It is racist and weird you are defensive over 4kids for their history of racism

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radical_rhino
08/07/23 11:18:15 AM
#68:


No one has posted a single example of 4kids being racist yet

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Seaman_Prime
08/07/23 12:02:39 PM
#69:


They saved the west by making sure millions of kids would not grow up to be weebs
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Pogo_Marimo
08/07/23 12:04:31 PM
#70:


Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:

* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*

* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*

Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.

*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*

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WellKnownNomad
08/07/23 12:22:05 PM
#71:


radical_rhino posted...
No one has posted a single example of 4kids being racist yet
I did yet people like OP and others conveniently ignored it

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WellKnownNomad
08/08/23 2:10:14 AM
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Weird OP is quiet the moment he is called out for praising a noted company racist towards Asians

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Revisited
08/08/23 2:36:21 AM
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Baha05 posted...
https://youtu.be/RSe8D2wfGKI
Huh. It has a similar sound to pokemon's openings and raps. Did they just have 1 group of people do all the voicing and music for these shows?
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AceMos
08/09/23 7:36:58 PM
#74:


bump

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WellKnownNomad
08/09/23 11:13:38 PM
#75:


AceMos posted...
bump
What is there to bump? You still conveniently ignored 4Kids having a history being racist

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WalkingLobsters
08/09/23 11:45:24 PM
#76:


WellKnownNomad posted...
What is there to bump? You still conveniently ignored 4Kids having a history being racist
bump

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AceMos
08/10/23 1:10:01 AM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
bump


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Foppe
08/10/23 1:15:38 AM
#78:


Id say thats more of a localization done poorly rather than actually attempting to erase the Japanese culture.

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xGhostchantx
08/10/23 1:18:49 AM
#79:


How and why is 4Kids racist? All the changes that were made were because they thought western kids were too stupid to understand references. They literally thought American kids were too stupid to learn through inference and wouldn't know what a fucking rice cake is. If anything, that's racist to western audiences. Most early stuff out of Japan was Bowlderized because Bowdler literally thought kids were too stupid to understand, as did 4kids.

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AI_TechGam3FAQS
08/10/23 1:20:25 AM
#80:


Payed!

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AceMos
08/10/23 1:21:45 AM
#81:


Foppe posted...
Id say thats more of a localization done poorly rather than actually attempting to erase the Japanese culture.

xGhostchantx posted...
How and why is 4Kids racist? All the changes that were made were because they thought western kids were too stupid to understand references. They literally thought American kids were too stupid to learn through inference and wouldn't know what a fucking rice cake is. If anything, that's racist to western audiences. Most early stuff out of Japan was Bowlderized because Bowdler literally thought kids were too stupid to understand.
once again the jpns studios requested many of these changes to increase appeal to western viewers

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xGhostchantx
08/10/23 1:22:22 AM
#82:


AceMos posted...
once again the jpns studios requested many of these changes to increase appeal to western viewers

Right, so they all agreed that American/Anglo audiences are too stupid to learn through inference.

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AceMos
08/10/23 1:26:15 AM
#83:


xGhostchantx posted...
Right, so they all agreed that American/Anglo audiences are too stupid to learn through inference.
oh for sure the changes where stupid no argument here

just saying 4kids was not some boogieman and to destroy anime

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Foppe
08/10/23 1:52:04 AM
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I mean, it make sense that they believed that American kids prefer cartoons with American culture instead of cartoons that are filled with strange foreign culture...

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WellKnownNomad
08/10/23 2:27:05 AM
#85:


AceMos posted...
oh for sure the changes where stupid no argument here

just saying 4kids was not some boogieman and to destroy anime
Yeah, weird to conveniently ignore the founder of 4Kids being openly racist towards Japan

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/7/AAP0tjAAEuvl.jpg

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Foppe
08/10/23 2:29:52 AM
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This feels like a rerun where somebody ignored the last responses...

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WellKnownNomad
08/10/23 2:31:09 AM
#87:


Foppe posted...
This feels like a rerun where somebody ignored the last responses...
Yeah, weird Ace ignores 4kids past being racist

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Foppe
08/10/23 2:32:56 AM
#88:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/0/AAA_aCAAEvWY.jpg

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AceMos
08/10/23 2:35:23 AM
#89:


Foppe posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/0/AAA_aCAAEvWY.jpg
its nomad he just posts random things that have nothing to do with anything


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WellKnownNomad
08/10/23 2:36:52 AM
#90:


AceMos posted...
its nomad he just posts random things that have nothing to do with anything
so what did Al Kahn mean when he said Japan is over and manga is dying in Japan

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xGhostchantx
08/10/23 7:40:47 PM
#91:


lol imagine thinking those facts are racist

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Revisited
08/10/23 10:39:22 PM
#92:


WellKnownNomad posted...
Heres former CEO of 4kids being openly racist as well

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/7/AAP0tjAAEuvl.jpg
Looool that can't be real

I totally believe the first one though, that's definitely a goal most had, as kids we had no idea all these cartoons we were watching were originally from Japan. They were able to homogenize it perfectly. I totally didn't question that onigiri is actually jelly filled donuts.
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CompatibleGreet
08/11/23 12:04:17 AM
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I did like that it opened a lot of doors to the actors as well and gave them the experience which even Jason Griffith admits it when I recently met him.

Sucks a lot of actors get thrown under the bus a lot nowadays or treated worse :/
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