Current Events > Tinder analytics between a 22 year old man and 22 woman

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If hes swiping right on literally everyone (or, 29 out of 30, so basically swiping left once every other day) and is hitting only 1.5% of swipes, hes prohibitively ugly and/or has a brutal profile or something. And id imagine the girl is probably half decent at least.

Even with the bots, even as a 6/10, you'll hit 1 in 20 or 30.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Also your first point doesn't really dispute what I said. Like I said, he could have had a 50:50 ratio for like 2 months at the start before switching to the indiscriminate approach after getting nothing, two months is a long time to be trying for a match but it's not long on the whole. He could have gotten screwed by the algorithm long after trying the choosy approach. Doesn't really make sense to assume he's been doing nothing but right swipes (presumably only river trolls get left swiped then, according to you?), much more reasonable to assume he just gave up at some point like a normal person.

He has a 96~% swipe rate, and a 1.5~% match rate. It would be EXTREMELY hard to hit that if you were being choosy at any point, though. Logically, he would have gotten a higher match rate in the time he'd be doing it legit, right? Which would suggest he WAS getting atleast some matches early on. Thus, why would he suddenly change to overswiping, out of the blue? I'd agree with you in other cases, but this particular guy's stats suggest he was an overswiper from the beginning.

Tinder also can potentially show you any gender, too, if you're not careful with the settings, so for all we know, his 1000~ left swipes were guys.

Damn, 479 matches in 2 years... Thats like 150 times more than I got in like 4 years...

Women definitely have it worse than men in areas a hell of a lot more important than dating. Even 'dating' has nuance in it, some aspects of it are more favourable to men, some women.

But to take the absolute opposite view point, that women don't have advantages in some respects compared to men and you're a misogynist if you think so is facetious.

Just because one side is more privileged than the other doesn't erase the advantages the other side have.

Vengeance29 posted...

Women definitely have it worse than men in areas a hell of a lot more important than dating. Even 'dating' has nuance in it, some aspects of it are more favourable to men, some women.

But to take the absolute opposite view point, that women don't have advantages in some respects compared to men and you're a misogynist if you think so is facetious.

Just because one side is more privileged than the other doesn't erase the advantages the other side have.

Thats fair. I think most reasonable people would agree with that.

I don't think anyone can argue whether it's easier to match with people as a woman.

But I would argue that the experience after or during the date is the same if not worse for women.

StealThisSheen posted...

EDIT: A 0.01% match rate also is definitely not standard.

His match rate is 1.6%.

And that lines up with recent data: https://blog.gitnux.com/tinder-match-statistics/

Men have a 0.5% chance of getting a match on Tinder.

This statistic is a stark reminder of the reality of the Tinder dating scene: men have a much lower chance of finding a match than women. It highlights the need for men to be more proactive in their search for a match, as well as the importance of creating an attractive profile that stands out from the crowd.

He's actually above average for Tinder. Tinder features the most lopsided gender ratio of the major dating apps (since it's known as a hookup app, which many women aren't interested in), so these rates makes sense and aren't any cause for complaint.

Dark_Arbron posted...

I was more implying that the kind of posts youre making are the sort that an old bought/hacked account that spreads incel propaganda would agree with, even if you had nothing to do with it.

Except I didn't post anything incel and I even disagreed with TC claiming men have dating harder than women. ( https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80523769/975163845 )

Cite one thing I posted that justifies getting this personal about it. I can back up everything I've said, while you're just bringing insults.

When people get toxic over the slightest disagreements it's hard to want to work with them. People ask for conflict.

I remember when I met my girlfriend, she matched with me on Hinge because I told her she had ridiculously white teeth as a joke. She thought it was funny and I thought it was stupid throwaway message.

I asked what made her like that message she said "It was original and most guys would say weird shit about my feet or try to get me to their house after 2 messages"

cause she had a picture from a wedding with her in heels. I never got anything like that so im 100% women have it worse.

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A lot of my throwaway messages would work tbh.

I'd get bored look through my matches and say the first thing that popped into my head. No thought, no intentions, just straight stupid shit lol.

I feel like it created a vibe and most women felt it.

SwayM posted...

Have you once in the entirety of your CE life ever not split hairs and understood the point being made?

Lol

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I'd be set for life if I had that post.

Because that's rich, coming from you.

why are y'all being so fucking weird

I got more matches on Tinder with a throwaway account where I hid my face than with a regular account. That was kind of a sad day for me. It feels like it would be way too much effort to maintain a relationship while never letting them see your face. At some point the jig gonna be up.

Glob posted...

Thats because the people youre talking about are choosier than they have a right to be. Im choosy, but I dont find it difficult to get with women and never have.

The game isnt unfair. There are just a lot of people who really suck at it.

So you have to be choosy, but not too choosy, and not not enough choosy. I hope you can see how that can start to sound like goalpost shifting. I'm aware that's not your actual point, but my point is that trying to overanalyse small data to find the problem with the guy's "strategy" is overcomplicating. Maybe the guy just isn't that attractive. Maybe his profile isn't interesting. Those are far more likely explanations than how choosy he is.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

So you have to be choosy, but not too choosy, and not not enough choosy. I hope you can see how that can start to sound like goalpost shifting. I'm aware that's not your actual point, but my point is that trying to overanalyse small data to find the problem with the guy's "strategy" is overcomplicating. Maybe the guy just isn't that attractive. Maybe his profile isn't interesting. Those are far more likely explanations than how choosy he is.

Those are all possible but also entirely speculation. The difference is that we know how choosy he is. That is, not at all.

Ugh, this thread is still going?

Why is TC still arguing about the disparity between men and women when it coming to getting matches on dating apps. Has anyone actually argued against that specific point? We all know that.

That also doesn't make dating better for women. They have plenty of their own shit to deal with, and are more likely to be stalked, assaulted or raped.

All the talk about algorithms and such is important. What is the point in simply complaining that getting matches is hard? Do something about it. Make an interesting profile, put in pictures that aren't godawful. No matter what your life and looks are like, profiles and pictures can make almost anyone look good. Have other people look at your profile, including men who have done well and also women.

I never had a problem getting matches and I am not 6 feet tall. My profile also did not say what my job was or that I made six figures or had a big dick, or all the other stuff that many guys claim are necessary for getting matches. I had none of that info in my profile. I simply made myself sound interesting and fun and used pictures to back that up. "Geeky yet athletic" was my main descriptor of myself.

Son_Of_Spam posted...

So setting aside the "who has it worse" debate or how important the issue is, what actually is the solution to this? You obviously can't force women to start dating more of these guys. It just seems like a problem without a solution.

It doesn't have a solution because its not really a problem per se. Its tough, but at the end of the day, its inevitable that there will be people who don't get out of dating what they want.

The actual problem would be these people growing resentful or depressed as a result, which I think is best solved by looking for inward personal growth.

andel posted...

well now if you are backing up to that range only 43% actually want a relationship so the vast majority that actually want a relationship have one.

the facts are that the majority of people have relationships assuming they actually want one.

That's not my argument. My argument has been around that one specific age bracket. And what you're discussing has no conflicts with my points.

using redpill terms isn't going to get you credibility fyi. those types are poisoning your mind and are one of the main reasons most of their adherents remain single.

" I don't like the words you use so I'll dismiss you over challenging my point!"

Shut up.

See, this is the problem with you and half these people coming into this topic. You keep arguing with your feelings over being objective. On top of that, you guys (no longer talking to you andel) keep looking at statistics and interpreting data in a vacuum.

"The pew research tweet of women in the [18-29] age bracket are twice as likely to be in a relationship as their male peers because guys don't want to be in a relationship!"

Do you seriously hear yourself? When we have a literal growing demographic if guys who declared they're incapable of finding a companion, aka incels? When the redpill community is blowing up in size due to guys not satisfied with their lives (especially in finding a girl to call their own)? Hell, I can bring up a guide someone wrote on how to successfully transition MTF and mentions observing a population of guys transitioning because they want to be accepted in a community and said population feels like they have a better shot of finding a companion as a girl if they transition as opposed to their perceived fate of dying alone, not because of typical gender dysphoria. That logic for refuting the research tweet is equivalent to the government rigging the stats to exclude people giving up on finding a job to reduce the unemployed rate to make it sound like the job market is healthier than it really is.

Look, no one is saying women have their own dating woes. But you can't go and complain women have it worse or just as bad, online and not, when you can complain about women using Tinder as a free meal service, or find endless results of girls with a gazillion shallow reasons of why they no longer found a guy attractive or rejected a guy. These events can only happen when you have excess.

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective. I'm sure a lot of us here are really good at math and it's easy, but we can all agree that math is an egregiously poorly taught subject. Similarly, if you had a bad experience with dating online, you can still recognize the dead brown grass on the other side. Or if you won out, you can recognize that if over 50% of the population is struggling, may be it's more than a "you" problem with how so many guys are striking out.

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments. This happens in a bunch of topics on this board. And all the while, the redpill community keep growing and growing and we shit like Andrew Tate, a dude who pimped out girls to exploit guys who wanted a girl to call their own (you see the hypocrisy with this?), now being heavily idolized.

Sad_Face posted...

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective.

Lmao. This is performance art at its best.

TC shills Diablo Immortal

Sad_Face posted...

That's not my argument. My argument has been around that one specific age bracket. And what you're discussing has no conflicts with my points.

" I don't like the words you use so I'll dismiss you over challenging my point!"

Shut up.

See, this is the problem with you and half these people coming into this topic. You keep arguing with your feelings over being objective. On top of that, you guys (no longer talking to you andel) keep looking at statistics and interpreting data in a vacuum.

"The pew research tweet of women in the [18-29] age bracket are twice as likely to be in a relationship as their male peers because guys don't want to be in a relationship!"

Do you seriously hear yourself? When we have a literal growing demographic if guys who declared they're incapable of finding a companion, aka incels? When the redpill community is blowing up in size due to guys not satisfied with their lives (especially in finding a girl to call their own)? Hell, I can bring up a guide someone wrote on how to successfully transition MTF and mentions observing a population of guys transitioning because they want to be accepted in a community and said population feels like they have a better shot of finding a companion as a girl if they transition as opposed to their perceived fate of dying alone, not because of typical gender dysphoria. That logic for refuting the research tweet is equivalent to the government rigging the stats to exclude people giving up on finding a job to reduce the unemployed rate to make it sound like the job market is healthier than it really is.

Look, no one is saying women have their own dating woes. But you can't go and complain women have it worse or just as bad, online and not, when you can complain about women using Tinder as a free meal service, or find endless results of girls with a gazillion shallow reasons of why they no longer found a guy attractive or rejected a guy. These events can only happen when you have excess.

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective. I'm sure a lot of us here are really good at math and it's easy, but we can all agree that math is an egregiously poorly taught subject. Similarly, if you had a bad experience with dating online, you can still recognize the dead brown grass on the other side. Or if you won out, you can recognize that if over 50% of the population is struggling, may be it's more than a "you" problem with how so many guys are striking out.

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments. This happens in a bunch of topics on this board. And all the while, the redpill community keep growing and growing and we shit like Andrew Tate, a dude who pimped out girls to exploit guys who wanted a girl to call their own (you see the hypocrisy with this?), now being heavily idolized.

Alright, let's pretend for a second that I accept your premise and argument (I don't but this is a sake of argument thing). What do you believe is the solution. How do we fix this problem?

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Kind of what I figured, but I want to hear him say it.

Sad_Face posted...

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments.

I literally got accused of "spreading incel propaganda" by one of these pathetic trolls when I've been posting fairly moderate, substantiated takes on the matter. But naturally upon request for specific instances, everyone runs. It's meaningless buzzwords for anyone who acknowledges the rougher aspects of online dating at this point.

Sad_Face posted...

That's not my argument. My argument has been around that one specific age bracket. And what you're discussing has no conflicts with my points.

" I don't like the words you use so I'll dismiss you over challenging my point!"

Shut up.

See, this is the problem with you and half these people coming into this topic. You keep arguing with your feelings over being objective. On top of that, you guys (no longer talking to you andel) keep looking at statistics and interpreting data in a vacuum.

"The pew research tweet of women in the [18-29] age bracket are twice as likely to be in a relationship as their male peers because guys don't want to be in a relationship!"

Do you seriously hear yourself? When we have a literal growing demographic if guys who declared they're incapable of finding a companion, aka incels? When the redpill community is blowing up in size due to guys not satisfied with their lives (especially in finding a girl to call their own)? Hell, I can bring up a guide someone wrote on how to successfully transition MTF and mentions observing a population of guys transitioning because they want to be accepted in a community and said population feels like they have a better shot of finding a companion as a girl if they transition as opposed to their perceived fate of dying alone, not because of typical gender dysphoria. That logic for refuting the research tweet is equivalent to the government rigging the stats to exclude people giving up on finding a job to reduce the unemployed rate to make it sound like the job market is healthier than it really is.

Look, no one is saying women have their own dating woes. But you can't go and complain women have it worse or just as bad, online and not, when you can complain about women using Tinder as a free meal service, or find endless results of girls with a gazillion shallow reasons of why they no longer found a guy attractive or rejected a guy. These events can only happen when you have excess.

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective. I'm sure a lot of us here are really good at math and it's easy, but we can all agree that math is an egregiously poorly taught subject. Similarly, if you had a bad experience with dating online, you can still recognize the dead brown grass on the other side. Or if you won out, you can recognize that if over 50% of the population is struggling, may be it's more than a "you" problem with how so many guys are striking out.

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments. This happens in a bunch of topics on this board. And all the while, the redpill community keep growing and growing and we shit like Andrew Tate, a dude who pimped out girls to exploit guys who wanted a girl to call their own (you see the hypocrisy with this?), now being heavily idolized.

Sir this is a Wendy's

Inohira posted...

I literally got accused of "spreading incel propaganda" by one of these pathetic trolls when I've been posting fairly moderate, substantiated takes on the matter. But naturally upon request for specific instances, everyone runs. It's meaningless buzzwords for anyone who acknowledges the rougher aspects of online dating at this point.

There is no "moderate" take on this. The only reasonable take is that people can date who they want, when they want. If that means dudes have a hard time on apps, then tough shit.

ScazarMeltex posted...

There is no "moderate" take on this. The only reasonable take is that people can date who they want, when they want. If that means dudes have a hard time on apps, then tough shit.

Since the split tends to be 2/3rds men across all apps, this means that at least half of the men are going to have a hard time even getting matches.

Data also supports that its right wing men tend to get by far the least amount of matches, and given the way things played out the last couple years that isn't surprising. They can't even get dates on right wing centric apps like "The Right Stuff"

Will_VIIII posted...

Data also supports that it right wing men tend to get by far the least amount of matches, and given the way things played out the last couple years that isn't surprising. They can't even get dates on right wing centric apps like "The Right Stuff"

Good.

People need to care a lot less about sex, romance, relationships, and all of that. They're far from the most important things in life, and they have no bearing on someone's worth as a person.

Companionship has real value, but it can be found platonically.

Right wing women were an automatic deal breaker for me when I was on apps.

I saw a number of profiles where women would also state as such.

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Obviously they can. But this doesn't mean they should, or that it'll be good for them.

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Maybe. I suspect that we have more agency than you're implying with regard to what our 'voids' are and whether they need 'filling', but it's a difficult question.

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The MAGA women part is crazy

MAGA women are on record stating they can't find desirable partners on "The Right Stuff"

75 days vs 3 years isn't a good comparison

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Yeah, almost like aligning yourself with an ideology that expects you to be a cooking and cleaning fuck puppet is a bad idea.

This for sure is a CE topic

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yeah, almost like aligning yourself with an ideology that expects you to be a cooking and cleaning fuck puppet is a bad idea.

lmao true

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There might not be anything intrinsically unhealthy about wanting and pursuing a relationship. But there's clearly something unhealthy about staking one's sense of self-worth on relationship success. My point is that a lot of people invest sex, romance, relationships, etc with too much importance--more importance than those things deserve.

Sad_Face posted...

That's not my argument. My argument has been around that one specific age bracket. And what you're discussing has no conflicts with my points.

" I don't like the words you use so I'll dismiss you over challenging my point!"

Shut up.

See, this is the problem with you and half these people coming into this topic. You keep arguing with your feelings over being objective. On top of that, you guys (no longer talking to you andel) keep looking at statistics and interpreting data in a vacuum.

"The pew research tweet of women in the [18-29] age bracket are twice as likely to be in a relationship as their male peers because guys don't want to be in a relationship!"

Do you seriously hear yourself? When we have a literal growing demographic if guys who declared they're incapable of finding a companion, aka incels? When the redpill community is blowing up in size due to guys not satisfied with their lives (especially in finding a girl to call their own)? Hell, I can bring up a guide someone wrote on how to successfully transition MTF and mentions observing a population of guys transitioning because they want to be accepted in a community and said population feels like they have a better shot of finding a companion as a girl if they transition as opposed to their perceived fate of dying alone, not because of typical gender dysphoria. That logic for refuting the research tweet is equivalent to the government rigging the stats to exclude people giving up on finding a job to reduce the unemployed rate to make it sound like the job market is healthier than it really is.

Look, no one is saying women have their own dating woes. But you can't go and complain women have it worse or just as bad, online and not, when you can complain about women using Tinder as a free meal service, or find endless results of girls with a gazillion shallow reasons of why they no longer found a guy attractive or rejected a guy. These events can only happen when you have excess.

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective. I'm sure a lot of us here are really good at math and it's easy, but we can all agree that math is an egregiously poorly taught subject. Similarly, if you had a bad experience with dating online, you can still recognize the dead brown grass on the other side. Or if you won out, you can recognize that if over 50% of the population is struggling, may be it's more than a "you" problem with how so many guys are striking out.

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments. This happens in a bunch of topics on this board. And all the while, the redpill community keep growing and growing and we shit like Andrew Tate, a dude who pimped out girls to exploit guys who wanted a girl to call their own (you see the hypocrisy with this?), now being heavily idolized.

no, your argument has been that men have it so bad and you backpedaled into claiming your argument was only about one specific age bracket when your own statistics destroyed your narrative. guess what? your own statistics still destroy your attempted narrative since the majority of men in the specific age bracket don't want a relationship according to your own stats lmao

redpill shit is a joke and the reason most dudes that follow redpill ideology stay alone is because they are taking advice from toxic af people who have no idea what they are talking about. it's wild to me these angry dudes are still following these redpillers when that strategy predictably fails for them and all the other dudes trying it.

treat women like you treat men, like regular human beings. if you start using phrases like "high value men/women" and "abundance strategy" you will never get what you want. you have to treat people like people and not objects and you have to work on overcoming negative and toxic mindsets.

also, as your statistics prove, most men and women of every age range have relationships if they want relationships. the vast majority even. if a person lives around even a moderately small population of other people they can get in a relationship if they give effort and don't come off as psycho or toxic. this is borne out by your own statistics. stop embarrassing yourself and just work on being someone that people want to talk to and hang out with.

I see this topic is still going strong.