Current Events > Texas man tracks down alleged truck thief and holds him at gunpoint..

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Shots weren't fired until the thief shot first. That was the escalation.

The thief wasn't the one who presented a force multiplier and threat of bodily harm or death first.

You're really bad at understanding what escalation is.

DnDer posted...

You're really bad at understanding what escalation is.

Escalating from a citizen's arrest to a gunfight is entirely on the thief. Please stop standing up for a thief who was literally trying to kill the man he stole from.

DnDer posted...

Maybe we have different thumbs.

You dont draw or point unless you're ready to kill and destroy whatever is in front of the gun.

You absolutely can use draw a gun without needing to fire it. How do you think dangerous individuals are routinely kept in place while awaiting the police? What you can't do is shoot the gun with the intent to wound. If you're going to fire that gun then you had better be serious about using it to put down a threat.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Escalating from a citizen's arrest to a gunfight is entirely on the thief. Please stop standing up for a thief who was literally trying to kill the man he stole from.

Thief opened fire in self-defense after his life was threatened.

The owner did everything wrong. They're responsible for all the bloodshed. The thief is responsible for stealing a truck.

DnDer posted...

Thief opened fire in self-defense after his life was threatened.

The owner did everything wrong. They're responsible for all the bloodshed. The thief is responsible for stealing a truck.

That is not self defense that is attempted murder.

Thief should've seen it coming. Stealing a Texas guy's truck is like stealing his wang.

DnDer posted...

Thief opened fire in self-defense after his life was threatened.

The owner did everything wrong. They're responsible for all the bloodshed. The thief is responsible for stealing a truck.

The thief wasn't acting in self defense lol. You can't commit a criminal act and then shoot at people while you're doing something illegal. The car's owner may or may not have been in the middle of protecting himself, but the thief absolutely had no grounds to start shooting at the owner cause he was in the middle of committing a crime when he started shooting.

Stopping somebody who is currently actively stealing your truck is not vigilantism and being stopped while committing a crime does not justify self defense.

Maybe one of the most Texas scenarios I can possibly imagine. Replace the truck with a horse and it's literally a set up for a Western

Gwynevere posted...

Maybe one of the most Texas scenarios I can possibly imagine. Replace the truck with a horse and it's literally a set up for a Western

We'll head 'em off at the pass!

DnDer posted...

Thief opened fire in self-defense

No, he opened fire to commit murder because he was being lawfully detained in a citizen's arrest after committing a crime. Come on bro, don't do this.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, he opened fire to commit murder because he was being lawfully detained in a citizen's arrest after committing a crime. Come on bro, don't do this.

Bro, don't be like that.

The safe, sane, and proper way to do this was to observe the truck from a distance since he'd spotted it and wait for police to arrive and handle the situation. Instead, he walks up, points his gun, and escalates to the point of open violence.

Driver was in the wrong to draw and point. That's intent to kill.

Even if you think he had a right to detain the thief, saying he's armed or flashing his gun without drawing it could maybe be the acceptable course of action.

But, as I said before, you don't put anything in front of your gun if you're not ready and willing to kill it.

And the owner demonstrated he was ready to kill over his truck.

Cool how Mr. "Good Guy with a gun" critically wounded a potentially innocent person. I hope she sues his ass.

jumi posted...

Cool how Mr. "Good Guy with a gun" critically wounded a potentially innocent person. I hope she sues his ass.

You mean the thief's accomplice?

A_Good_Boy posted...

You mean the thief's accomplice?

OP doesn't say anything about accomplice. Just that she was with him. For all we know she didn't even know the truck was stolen.

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You can detain without pointing your gun and threatening to kill someone.

You didn't know you could do a thing without a gun in your hand? That's sad.

jumi posted...

OP doesn't say anything about accomplice. Just that she was with him. For all we know she didn't even know the truck was stolen.

If you're inside the passenger seat of a stolen vehicle moments after it's gone missing then dollars to donuts you're more than likely an accomplice than some innocent bystander caught up in the moment.

jumi posted...

For all we know she didn't even know the truck was stolen.

Stop being obtuse. More than likely, she knew it was a stolen truck.

DnDer posted...

You can detain without pointing your gun and threatening to kill someone.

You didn't know you could do a thing without a gun in your hand? That's sad.

Like get ignored and allow the thief to drive off in your stolen vehicle?

DnDer posted...

You can detain without pointing your gun and threatening to kill someone.

You didn't know you could do a thing without a gun in your hand? That's sad.

Is there any corroborating evidence (like video footage or an eyewitness) to say the truck thief actually threatened to shoot or cause bodily harm to the truck owner during the confrontation, or are we taking the word of the killer alone?

DnDer posted...

Driver was in the wrong

Driver in this case being the one who was driving the stolen truck? Yes.

The victim of the theft was not in the wrong, though.
DnDer posted...

saying he's armed or flashing his gun without drawing it could maybe be the acceptable course of action.

He could have just as easily been shot for this, too, but he wouldn't have been drawn already and might not have been able to return fire in time.

So what you're saying is that he should have given the thief a chance to draw first and kill him.

That's what you're saying.

Lmao, bro, shut the fuck up.

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Imagine a thief snatching a purse and when stopped by somebody saying Excuse me, but as the transfer of possession has already completed I am no longer committing a crime and thus you have no right to detain me! Why are you escalating the situation!?

A_Good_Boy posted...

Like get ignored and allow the thief to drive off in your stolen vehicle?

Better than killing someone and getting two other people shot (incl. yourself) in the process because you've got bloodlust over your tailgate.

Or you think a man's truck is worth 1d3 lives in the exchange?

Torgo posted...

or are we taking the word of the killer alone?

In that way, at least, the Zimmerman comments have borne themselves out.

Guy who lives gets to write his narrative and gun nuts don't question the "good guy with a gun."

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Driver in this case being the one who was driving the stolen truck? Yes.

The victim of the theft was not in the wrong, though.

Typo. Owner.

Owner did wrong when he escalated with lethal force.

Don't try to twist shit by ignoring all the context of my other posts you've been railing at.

DnDer posted...

Or you think a man's truck is worth 1d3 lives in the exchange?

My vehicle is my livelihood, so yeah you betcha I value it more than the lives of the people that would try to steal it from me.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

So what you're saying is that he should have given the thief a chance to draw first and kill him.

Thief only fired after his life was threatened. It was a non-violent incident until Texas Bro needed to go for his Big Iron.

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The guy who was defending his life from an immediate existential threat from a vigilante.

Tenlaar posted...

Imagine a thief snatching a purse and when stopped by somebody saying Excuse me, but as the transfer of possession has already completed I am no longer committing a crime and thus you have no right to detain me! Why are you escalating the situation!?

You don't have a right to hunt down a purse snatcher and threaten to shoot them after they already got away with the purse.

He didn't carjack the owner. He'd already left with it.

Detained doesn't mean threaten the life of.

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Because if you point your gun at someone, you've indicated you're ready and willing to kill.

DnDer posted...

Owner did wrong

Nah

Why didn't he get back in his truck and drive off, then call the police with a description of the thief after he forced them to get out of the truck? Seems like that would have been safer for everyone involved. But he wanted to play badass vigilante.

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A_Good_Boy posted...

My vehicle is my livelihood, so yeah you betcha I value it more than the lives of the people that would try to steal it from me.

The blood lust radiating off you people.

DnDer posted...

You don't have a right to hunt down a purse snatcher and threaten to shoot them after they already got away with the purse.

He didn't carjack the owner. He'd already left with it.

Detained doesn't mean threaten the life of.

What's the time limit where all things are forgiven once you've already started committing a crime? Like the car thief successfully drove it to home base so therefore he gets to keep it and now he's the legal owner lol

DnDer posted...

The blood lust radiating off you people.

You're shit posting way harder than I'm blood lusting.

A_Good_Boy posted...

What's the time limit where all things are forgiven once you've already started committing a crime? Like the car thief successfully drove it to home base so therefore he gets to keep it and now he's the legal owner lol

So GTA was lying to me the whole time?

A_Good_Boy posted...

What's the time limit where all things are forgiven once you've already started committing a crime? Like the car thief successfully drove it to home base so therefore he gets to keep it and now he's the legal owner lol

Did anyone say forgiven?

I sure as fuck did not.

I said you don't get to kill someone after the crime has been committed. This is not in the heat of the commission of a crime.

He hunted down his vehicle, drew on the thief, and threatened the thief's life beyond the scope of what's acceptable.

jumi posted...

Why didn't he get back in his truck and drive off, then call the police with a description of the thief

...Bro who are you people coming in here with these bad takes? lmao