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Mr_hulk88
07/28/23 10:59:06 PM
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Just watched the Neverland documentary. These guys seem credible at certain moments but not in others. I'm also seeing that there are contradictions to specific things in their stories. Anyway, what do you think?
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ArkhamOrigins
07/28/23 11:00:32 PM
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Of course he's fucking guilty

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CSCA33
07/28/23 11:03:31 PM
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Mightve been on the fence back in the day. Cant listen to his music anymore these days

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cjsdowg
07/28/23 11:06:19 PM
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The last documentary, was proved to be a lie at every level. And yeah he is innocent.

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Skankhair
07/28/23 11:06:57 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
The last documentary, was proved to be a lie at every level. And yeah he is innocent.

Source?
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Tyranthraxus
07/28/23 11:08:00 PM
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I believe there exists reasonable doubt that he is guilty.

I would probably find him liable under preponderance of the evidence.

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Holy_Cloud105
07/28/23 11:08:59 PM
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Macaulay Culkin and Corey Feldman, two people who are outspoken about pedos in Hollywood are defenders of Michael Jackson. I'd tend to believe them.

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Skankhair
07/28/23 11:09:33 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Macauley Culkin and Corey Feldman, two people who are outspoken about pedos in Hollywood are defenders of Michael Jackson. I'd tend to believe them.

That just means he didnt molest them.
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cjsdowg
07/28/23 11:10:24 PM
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Skankhair posted...
Source?

https://medium.com/@justhoughts/leaving-neverland-debunked-in-10-minutes-or-less-35d2017469ba

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Mr_hulk88
07/28/23 11:10:45 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I would probably find him liable under preponderance of the evidence.
Can you rephrase that in non-lawyer language?
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__aCEr__
07/28/23 11:12:03 PM
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Honestly I think Michael was in a such a state of arrested development that he didn't have sex with anybody.

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Punished_Blinx
07/28/23 11:12:27 PM
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I'll never know but I certainly wouldn't trust him with my kids.

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Skankhair
07/28/23 11:20:54 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
https://medium.com/@justhoughts/leaving-neverland-debunked-in-10-minutes-or-less-35d2017469ba

Thank you but that article ignores a lot of accusations. I know you were specifically talking about the documentary but thats not the totality of the evidence.
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Skankhair
07/28/23 11:22:24 PM
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__aCEr__ posted...
Honestly I think Michael was in a such a state of arrested development that he didn't have sex with anybody.

I dont think hes been accused of having sex, but rather showing porn to kids and using his hand on them.
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Tyranthraxus
07/28/23 11:23:36 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Can you rephrase that in non-lawyer language?

Preponderance of the evidence means you think it's more likely they did it than not. Basically means you think there's a 51% chance they're guilty.

And even though there's no evidence of him molesting children, there's lots of evidence of inappropriate behavior, weak defenses to that inappropriate behavior (such as the "I didn't give them alcohol they just took it on their own"), and inappropriate conversations. To me, that adds up to a pattern of suspicious behavior where I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out he was guilty, but because there's no other substantial evidence, I couldn't in good faith say he's guilty in court.

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Glob
07/28/23 11:25:22 PM
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Theres a lot about it that doesnt sit right, but theres also people who seem to have made allegations in the hope of getting a payday.

He definitely behaved inappropriately. I dont see how anybody can doubt that.

Did he molest anybody? Maybe. Hard to be absolutely sure. And even if he did that doesnt mean that all of the people accusing him are telling the truth, or that all the people he molested came forward.
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Ratchetrockon
07/28/23 11:26:38 PM
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I voted yes just in case

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BakonBitz
07/28/23 11:34:02 PM
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It's clear that Michael Jackson loved kids. I don't know if that meant in a sexual way but Robson's and Safechuck's accusations are pretty spotty. Regardless, some people thought that behavior was weird, understandably so. Culkin said himself that Michael was a shut-in and didn't really know adult social norms.

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Mr_hulk88
07/29/23 3:20:58 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Preponderance of the evidence means you think it's more likely they did it than not. Basically means you think there's a 51% chance they're guilty.

And even though there's no evidence of him molesting children, there's lots of evidence of inappropriate behavior, weak defenses to that inappropriate behavior (such as the "I didn't give them alcohol they just took it on their own"), and inappropriate conversations. To me, that adds up to a pattern of suspicious behavior where I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out he was guilty, but because there's no other substantial evidence, I couldn't in good faith say he's guilty in court.
Oh I see. I mean pattern of weird behavior is exactly why people mostly seem to believe he's guilty, the ones who don't I think are arguing that his behavior wasn't weird.

I can definitely get why he'd have this desire to recreate the childhood he didn't really have, which is where his relationship with kids comes from. When I watched videos of him and Maculay Culkin he just behaves like he was their age.
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pegusus123456
07/29/23 3:22:38 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Preponderance of the evidence means you think it's more likely they did it than not. Basically means you think there's a 51% chance they're guilty.

And even though there's no evidence of him molesting children, there's lots of evidence of inappropriate behavior, weak defenses to that inappropriate behavior (such as the "I didn't give them alcohol they just took it on their own"), and inappropriate conversations. To me, that adds up to a pattern of suspicious behavior where I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out he was guilty, but because there's no other substantial evidence, I couldn't in good faith say he's guilty in court.
Excellent post, this summed up my opinion better than I ever would.

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UndefeatedGOAT
07/29/23 3:22:56 AM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Oh I see. I mean pattern of weird behavior is exactly why people mostly seem to believe he's guilty, the ones who don't I think are arguing that his behavior wasn't weird.

I can definitely get why he'd have this desire to recreate the childhood he didn't really have, which is where his relationship with kids comes from. When I watched videos of him and Maculay Culkin he just behaves like he was their age.

maybe he was recreating the childhood he did have, his dads a fucking creep and his brothers are weird enough that 1 of 4 of them is probably a creep
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Mr_hulk88
07/29/23 3:24:15 AM
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I don't think the Jackson dad sexually abused his kids
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Destroyer53
07/29/23 3:26:19 AM
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Glob posted...
Theres a lot about it that doesnt sit right, but theres also people who seem to have made allegations in the hope of getting a payday.

He definitely behaved inappropriately. I dont see how anybody can doubt that.

Did he molest anybody? Maybe. Hard to be absolutely sure. And even if he did that doesnt mean that all of the people accusing him are telling the truth, or that all the people he molested came forward.

Yeah be it intentional or not the waters have been muddied so much that finding out the truth in this case is pretty much impossible.
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flussence
07/29/23 3:29:43 AM
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i don't think he was the most dangerous adult around those kids in the end.

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Priere
07/29/23 5:03:15 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oro15uws_4U

He totes did something sus

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sonichu
07/29/23 5:05:35 AM
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I feel he was a tad creepy in ways but actually molesting kids; no.
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_____Cait
07/29/23 5:21:28 AM
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I believe he probably did something inappropriate, but i dont think he is mentally capable of understanding what boundary he crossed.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
07/29/23 5:31:34 AM
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I don't think he was a molester, but he did have a attraction for being around kids.

But I think that's because he thought of himself as a kid.

Doesn't help that he was already mentally messed up on other things.


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SpiritSephiroth
07/29/23 7:10:00 AM
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I don't think he did.

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Chillscream123
07/29/23 7:25:23 AM
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He's weird, but that's not enough to condemn a man. The King of Pop gets the benefit of the doubt.
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Wandering__Hero
07/29/23 7:29:18 AM
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Hes one Smooth Criminal

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Zikten
07/29/23 7:51:53 AM
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I just don't know anymore. For years I insisted that he was just a misunderstood child in a man's body, trying to have the childhood he was never allowed to have

But I'm not sure anymore. I really need to deeply research the facts I think
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Oderus_Urungus
07/29/23 8:12:22 AM
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https://youtu.be/2uC8LSV-j2g
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darkmaian23
07/29/23 8:38:02 AM
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I think he wasn't guilty...and that he probably was weird enough or mentally unwell enough that leaving kids alone with him in the first place wasn't a great idea. The man needed help nobody was giving him.

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lilORANG
07/29/23 9:15:03 AM
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He's admitted to sleepovers with kids. That's hella grooming behavior regardless of if he molested them or not.

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UndefeatedGOAT
07/29/23 10:56:58 AM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
I don't think the Jackson dad sexually abused his kids

i think he forced them to rehearse constantly and definitely beat and screamed at them
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Mr_hulk88
07/29/23 4:28:33 PM
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...
i think he forced them to rehearse constantly and definitely beat and screamed at them
Yeah that for sure. But I was replying to you saying his alleged sexual abuse was him "recreating" his experience with his father
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UndefeatedGOAT
07/29/23 4:58:45 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
Yeah that for sure. But I was replying to you saying his alleged sexual abuse was him "recreating" his experience with his father

i dont think i said sexual abuse, i think trauma in general can fuck you up, and everyones different

i can see how maybe what i said would be interpreted that way though
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ForsakenHermit
07/29/23 4:59:17 PM
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I think he's dead.

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PraetorXyn
07/29/23 5:15:40 PM
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I don�t think people make smoke about something for 20 goddamn years if there�s not some fire somewhere.

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Irony
07/29/23 5:16:26 PM
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He couldn't possibly be more dead

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CSCA33
07/29/23 5:23:12 PM
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KanWan posted...
Ehhhh

I don�t think so honestly, the guy really just seemed keen on really trying to live out lost years of his life that tunneled visioned him to achieve that in the most exaggerated way possible

at least, I�d like to believe that
He had other people�s young children sleep in bed with him.

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LordYeezus
07/29/23 5:29:38 PM
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Even if he is, he's immune to being cancelled. That would be like trying to censor a huge part of music history, his legacy will last forever.

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Mr_hulk88
07/29/23 5:42:24 PM
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CSCA33 posted...
He had other people�s young children sleep in bed with him.

That's just false though? The sleepovers were a big 2 story bedroom, as Culkin said. I doubt they were all sleeping in the same bed
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CSCA33
07/29/23 6:08:29 PM
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Mr_hulk88 posted...
That's just false though? The sleepovers were a big 2 story bedroom, as Culkin said. I doubt they were all sleeping in the same bed


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