Current Events > Sarah Silverman slams actors working during strike. Zooey Deschanel claps back

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https://ew.com/movies/sarah-silverman-slams-actors-filming-waiver-projects-sag-aftra-strike/

When a union says you can't work, walk away.

It does come off as very counter intuitive. But I'm also basically completely ignorant to the scope of the situation.

I think we are striking certain particular contractual agreements with the AMPTP not all work.

Dakimakura posted...

This shit should unironically be a ban.

That's the clap back TC mentioned.

You dont know the mayor!

She's right; there's literally no point to a strike if people are going to keep working anyways.

Silverman is 100% right. If you're working during a strike, you're... Just working. Don't pretend you support the cause.

It doesn't seem to make much sense, but I guess if it's independent films and they're striking against the studios, I suppose there's at least some sort of logic to it.

"i support the cause!"
"but youre making a movie"
"yes"
"and its going to go to streaming"
"yes"
"under the current contractual climate with no change"
"yes"
"then youre not actually supporting us"
"HOW DARE YOU"

lmao certain celebs showing themselves

Ferroseed posted...

"i support the cause!"
"but youre making a movie"
"yes"
"and its going to go to streaming"
"yes"
"under the current contractual climate with no change"
"yes"
"then youre not actually supporting us"
"HOW DARE YOU"

lmao certain celebs showing themselves

Article says the streaming services are meeting the unions demands.

BurmesePenguin posted...

It doesn't seem to make much sense, but I guess if it's independent films and they're striking against the studios, I suppose there's at least some sort of logic to it.

those independent films are still being made for streaming services under the current climate that the strike is supposed to be fighting tho. thats her point.

Dakimakura posted...

Article says the streaming services are meeting the unions demands.

meeting the demands on certain movies without changing the actual climate doesnt accomplish anything tho

until they agree to make that the norm for all movies, nobody should be doing business with them

Whats her problem? Theyre working with indy studios that are abiding by SAGs request the last I heard?

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Whats her problem? Theyre working with indy studios that are abiding by SAGs request the last I heard?

because those studios are still selling to streaming services who are making exceptions for them in order to get the sales without actually changing their overall ways. so in the end it doesnt actually help the cause, its just streaming services making exceptions.

People are allowed to work with studios that aren't part of the AMPTP, like A24 studios.

SAG and co. are striking against the AMPTP, not literally all working.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

People are allowed to work with studios that aren't part of the AMPTP, like A24 studios.

SAG and co. are striking against the AMPTP, not literally all working.

but if the work is still detrimental to the cause in the end, then you cant say you support the cause. thats her point.

Ferroseed posted...

but if the work is still detrimental to the cause in the end, then you cant say you support the cause. thats her point.

Except for the fact SAG and co. agreed to this move. Just cause Sarah Silverman doesn't like it doesn't mean that she is right and so many others are incorrect.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Except for the fact SAG and co. agreed to this move. Just cause Sarah Silverman doesn't like it doesn't mean that she is right and so many others are incorrect.

SAG gave the thumb's up to the exemptions?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Except for the fact SAG and co. agreed to this move. Just cause Sarah Silverman doesn't like it doesn't mean that she is right and so many others are incorrect.

i mean literally all that means is sag arent truly committed to the cause and are happy to make concessions, it doesnt mean shes actually wrong

her point has nothing to do with sag. its that you arent truly striking if youre going to work with exemptions. if anything her issue seems directed at sag

TonyKojima posted...

SAG gave the thumb's up to the exemptions?

Yes, thus the reason those actors are working with A24.

Who?
Who?

Fuck scabs.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Prepare yourself to see a lot more A24 movies then. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, they tend to have a real good eye for projects.

She's right.

Also she inadvertedly highlighted a huge crack in the strike's objective, which is that the bigger name stars who should be more vocal about the situation probably don't care so long as they get paid while everyone else bears the suffering.

silverman also seems to be speaking as a writer, criticizing sag who are supposed to be supporting wga. they claim to be supporting them while also making decisions like these that undercut them

She's mad movies are being made under the demands of the Union? Seems like a win for the union. She's just jelly she didn't get offered roles.

lilORANG posted...

She's mad movies are being made under the demands of the Union? Seems like a win for the union. She's just jelly she didn't get offered roles.

"made under the demands per exemption" is the issue. they didnt actually change their methods, theyre just making exemptions, which wont apply to larger movies. thats the problem. studios are throwing a bone to smaller independent productions because they dont stand to make as much money from them anyway. theyre not actually giving in to the demands overall.

lilORANG posted...

She's mad movies are being made under the demands of the Union? Seems like a win for the union. She's just jelly she didn't get offered roles.

The problem is the end result is streamers are still getting new content which is counter productive to the goals of the strike

Ferroseed posted...

"made under the demands per exemption" is the issue. they didnt actually change their methods, theyre just making exemptions, which wont apply to larger movies. thats the problem.

Ok, but those larger movies aren't being made until they submit to the Union demands....so that's a non-issue.

The movies are being made under the conditions the union wants. The union is happy, and has approved this. Very silly to be upset when your side wins.

This idea that these "independent" movies aren't going to streaming...

How else are they getting distributed?

Is McConaughey doing a movie that's going to go to VHS or DVD?

lilORANG posted...

Ok, but those larger movies aren't being made until they submit to the Union demands....so that's a non-issue.

when sag starts agreeing to temporary terms for smaller movies, that gives the streaming services and larger studios the implication that they can keep negotiating temporary/exemption terms up the line instead of just changing their policies

thats the problem. that is the entire reason why scabs are a thing and are bad. theyll just make do with what they have and keep pushing the goal posts further and further back, and sag is just letting it happen.

A24 is not some slapdash attempt to get people to scab or something like that. They are an exceptionally well respected independent studio that take on projects that the members of the AMPTP wouldn't do.

The strike is not against all work and that was never the intention.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

A24 is not some slapdash attempt to get people to scab or something like that. They are an exceptionally well respected independent studio that take on projects that the members of the AMPTP wouldn't do.

The strike is not against all work and that was never the intention.

if that is what sag is going to insist, then what even is the point of a strike? "we arent striking to actually CHANGE anything, heavens no! we will take literally any concession we can get and call it a day!"

silverman isnt wrong. if sag is going to cave to exemptions immediately, then they never wanted to strike to begin with.

Ferroseed posted...

when sag starts agreeing to temporary terms for smaller movies, that gives the streaming services and larger studios the implication that they can keep negotiating temporary/exemption terms up the line instead of just changing their policies

thats the problem. that is the entire reason why scabs are a thing and are bad. theyll just make do with what they have and keep pushing the goal posts further and further back, and sag is just letting it happen.

these aren't scabs though, they are union actors who are abiding by the strike demands. there is nothing counter productive here, they are working with people that actually meet their demands

if the union is only working with studios that fully meet their demands, they are getting everything they have asked for in that instance.

You are conflating things. The point of the strike is to get the AMPTP to give in to their demands. SAG even said they want people to go to watch movies and stuff in theaters right now, so it isn't like the way to win this is to just blanket ban everything.

You are striking against AMPTP and their forms. If A24 is not part of that, you aren't striking against them.

During the last strike, should we be mad at all the actors who did Doctor Horrible's Singalong Blog?

also, the strike isn't meant to keep actors from working, it's to keep studios from continuing to exploit the actors with garbage wages and no assurances. of course the union will work with studios that actually give them what they are asking for. it doesn't matter who the studios do business with as long as the actors get the assurances they need, which they are in this a scenario.

The strike has to go on longer because of these holdouts, thats probably the biggest issue

bigblu89 posted...

This idea that these "independent" movies aren't going to streaming...

How else are they getting distributed?

Is McConaughey doing a movie that's going to go to VHS or DVD?

+1

There's two opposing and completely valid viewpoints on this.
1. This is counterproductive to the strike because you're giving streamers "content" (ugh) to push during a time where they should be starved of all films

2. These indie films really aren't going to help them all that much. If anything, it helps the crew members and actors more, and if these productions were to wait for the strike to be over its very likely that they could just straight up be cancelled due to the crazy scheduling conflicts that will come out of the strike. That would hurt the independent filmmakers and crew members more than it would hurt any streamer or studio.

It's a hard decision.

SAG-AFTRA voice actors don't care either way. They're going to continue to work for other productions.

Smashingpmkns posted...

There's two opposing and completely valid viewpoints on this.
1. This is counterproductive to the strike because you're giving streamers "content" (ugh) to push during a time where they should be starved of all films

2. These indie films really aren't going to help them all that much. If anything, it helps the crew members and actors more, and if these productions were to wait for the strike to be over its very likely that they could just straight up be cancelled due to the crazy scheduling conflicts that will come out of the strike. That would hurt the independent filmmakers and crew members more than it would hurt any streamer or studio.

It's a hard decision.

the point of the strike isn't to deny streaming services content, it is to get their demands met. if someone is willing to meet their demands that is someone that isn't a party to the strike. the main villain are the studios like warner bros and disney. streaming issues are a concern but the primary concern seems to be the lack of increase in wages and working conditions from the studios over the last couple decades.

Sounds like Silverman's beef shouldn't be with the actors working SAG approved projects, but SAG approving it.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

This shit should unironically be a ban.

Yes. Agreed. Can we all co e to an understanding that doing that shit doesn't make what you post more impactful? It just makes it more annoying to read and makes whoever typed it look like a moron.

andel posted...

the point of the strike isn't to deny streaming services content, it is to get their demands met. if someone is willing to meet their demands that is someone that isn't a party to the strike. the main villain are the studios like warner bros and disney. streaming issues are a concern but the primary concern seems to be the lack of increase in wages and working conditions from the studios over the last couple decades.

Streaming services are pretty much the reason why they're striking to begin with. Netflix's insistence on holding out on any agreements very early on pushed the strike. This isn't a bubble where streaming services and studios are separate entities, streaming services are also studios and if they benefit even marginally from an indie film I can see how that could cause issue with union members.

Denying streaming services films and shows is integral to accomplishing the unions' goals.