Current Events > Secret Invasion is the first MCU project to be rotten by critics and audiences

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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01

There's over 40 MCU projects when counting movies, shows, specials

There have been 2 that were rotten by critics: Eternals and Ant Man Quantumania

There have been 2 that were rotten by audiences: Captain Marvel and She Hulk

This is the first to be rejected by both. Marvel fucked up hard here

Clearly the 2 audience rotten ones were review bombed, secret invasion doesnt even have the same excuse

Last I checked people were loving this show. What happened?

Show had some really confusing and problematic political messaging.

On one hand, we're supposed to feel bad for the refugees from a war torn world and their efforts to find a new home. But on the other hand, the Skrulls literally just resort to genocide and conquering with little to no provocation.

COVxy posted...

Last I checked people were loving this show. What happened?

The last episode, mainly

Blue_Popo posted...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01

There's over 40 MCU projects when counting movies, shows, specials

There have been 2 that were rotten by critics: Eternals and Ant Man Quantumania

There have been 2 that were rotten by audiences: Captain Marvel and She Hulk

This is the first to be rejected by both. Marvel fucked up hard here

What about inhumans? Was that not rotten?

Side note, I'm amazed that Thor Love and Thunder isn't rotten by audience OR critic reviews since that movie seems universally hated now

Tyranthraxus posted...

What about inhumans? Was that not rotten?

Inhumans isn't really an "official" MCU project so it doesn't count.

Should have saved The Skrulls for the Fantastic Four movie

COVxy posted...

Last I checked people were loving this show. What happened?

The last episode was disappointing. This might not have made much of an impact in a bubble, but imo the show had a lot of external factors working against it:

• the hype it built up at the beginning (some people were claiming it to be the MCU's Andor)
• the history of MCU D+ shows starting strong and tripping at the finish line
• the pedigree of Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury and the expectations associated
• the sky-high budget

So it stung that much harder that Invasion ultimately failed to deliver.

COVxy posted...

Last I checked people were loving this show. What happened?

Loving is a strong word. It was mostly "fine" up until the finale (some did love it, at worst it was ok). It had the most serious tone. Here are some spoilers as to what people didnt like

supposed spy show ended with big cgi fight between main villain and emilia clarke's character. Emilia clarke now has fhe powers of every hero/villain that fought in the final battle of endgame. I thought the cg itself in this sequence was fine but one absurd shot of emilia with drax's arm. This comes after she hulk made fun of this ending happening in every marvel show. Rhodey was a skrull (fine) but may have been since captain america civil war (hinted at but not confirmed), the implications of are really weird. Fury has no real arc, came to end the war of the skrulls...at the end tje president declares full on war with the skrulls but fury leaves anyways. Fury's excuse for not calling avengers to help is "its personal", he lets emilia clarke essentially become mcu god to finish the fight. Emilia clarke vs villain required emilia clarke to be standing at the right place/rigbt time and pray she knew how to use the powers better than the villain did. Fury has been married to a skrull for a long time. Writing was hit or miss but did have some strong moments. These are just a few things

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Side note, I'm amazed that Thor Love and Thunder isn't rotten by audience OR critic reviews since that movie seems universally hated now

I know plenty of people irl that liked it. I think it plays better with people that are fine with marvel here and there but havent watched anything

Also everyone who i talked to irl that trashes it, I ask them to tell me truthfully, would they rather rewatch love and thunder or dark world...most pick love and thunder

What about that show that had the teleporting dog? I barely remember the name of it due to it being called so bad and I think it got cancelled in first season.

It's funny how all of the reviews are negative, but both me and my gf liked it. And a FB post of an article mentioning the bad reviews was also filled with a majority of the people being shocked or surprised because they liked it.

BlueTigerLion posted...

What about that show that had the teleporting dog? I barely remember the name of it due to it being called so bad and I think it got cancelled in first season.

Inhumans technically isn't an MCU project since Marvel Studios didn't make it and Feige didn't oversee it

BlueTigerLion posted...

What about that show that had the teleporting dog? I barely remember the name of it due to it being called so bad and I think it got cancelled in first season.

Its not mcu, its pseudo mcu. The full on mcu shows are made by marvel studios and put on disney plus. Have the mcu intro and feature characters from the movies

BlueTigerLion posted...

What about that show that had the teleporting dog? I barely remember the name of it due to it being called so bad and I think it got cancelled in first season.

Inhumans.

Another show expanding the story without no repercussion to overall story and no resolution coming in the foreseeable future? Ill pass. They spread the story way too thin introducing way too many characters and stories and we dont care anymore.

I feel like at the very least, the last episode set up that President Ritson might be the lynchpin for mutants being rejected and hated once they're introduced to the MCU. One speech undid all the good will that humanity felt towards the aliens among them, including those who fought against Thanos' army or were involved in bringing them back from the Snap/Blip. I'm also curious to see if this has any ramifications against the Asgardians living on Earth, since it was shown that the ramifications of his speech were global and not limited to America.

Overall yeah it did feel kind of weak overall. G'iah becoming an amalgamation of every other MCU character's powers didn't feel earned; IMO it should have been Talos, and if Ben Mendelsohn wanted out of the franchise after that, it's not like it's a difficult thing to recast a Skrull. The impact of Talos losing his daughter also would have been a lot more impactful given what he went through in Captain Marvel just to be reunited with his family.

Sonya, however, was a fucking treasure every time she was on screen and I wish her many happy recurring roles in other MCU projects.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Show had some really confusing and problematic political messaging.

On one hand, we're supposed to feel bad for the refugees from a war torn world and their efforts to find a new home. But on the other hand, the Skrulls literally just resort to genocide and conquering with little to no provocation.

To be fair, I believe Captain Marvel is literally the first time Skrulls haven't been portrayed as outright villains, and even there they were morally gray at best given their tactics.

Hard to say at this point whether Gravik or Talos could be considered an outlier among the MCU Skrulls.

Also, depending on how long Rhodey has been replaced by a Skrull (it looks like it could have been right after Civil War, but also still vague), there's the possible fallout from the fact that not only did Nick Fury kill a former Avenger and hero of the Battle for Earth, but that the Avengers themselves had been infiltrated by Skrulls and none of them suspected a thing for years. Could erode the public trust/goodwill and celebrity reputation of the heroes.

TMOG posted...

Also, depending on how long Rhodey has been replaced by a Skrull (it looks like it could have been right after Civil War, but also still vague), there's the possible fallout from the fact that not only did Nick Fury kill a former Avenger and hero of the Battle for Earth, but that the Avengers themselves had been infiltrated by Skrulls and none of them suspected a thing for years. Could erode the public trust/goodwill and celebrity reputation of the heroes.

Also its a retcon, the story clearly wasnt written for rhodey to be a skrull, no hints and his interactions with others implied he was regular rhodey. Hell in endgame he was about to drown and couldnt use his legs....thats serious commitment to a role. If rhodey was a skrull after endgame its too short to really matter but if he was a skrull before endgame its a retcon to the story. Its a weird spot to be in

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Inhumans technically isn't an MCU project since Marvel Studios didn't make it and Feige didn't oversee it

Oh that probably explains why the one from the group that appeared in Doctor Strange got recasted.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Oh that probably explains why the one from the group that appeared in Doctor Strange got recasted.

Black Bolt wasn't recast, it was the same actor

TMOG posted...

I feel like at the very least, the last episode set up that President Ritson might be the lynchpin for mutants being rejected and hated once they're introduced to the MCU. One speech undid all the good will that humanity felt towards the aliens among them, including those who fought against Thanos' army or were involved in bringing them back from the Snap/Blip. I'm also curious to see if this has any ramifications against the Asgardians living on Earth, since it was shown that the ramifications of his speech were global and not limited to America.

I was thinking about this. My guess is that tourism there has probably fallen sharply and tourism was kind of their bread and butter. I can also see companies like Old Spice pulling out their ad support if the anti-alien sentiment is really strong.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Oh that probably explains why the one from the group that appeared in Doctor Strange got recasted.

Except he didn't get recasted, what are you talking about?

TMOG posted...

Black Bolt wasn't recast, it was the same actor

I won't speak on Inhumans anymore I honestly don't know what I am talking about didn't watch it. Should have just googled the questions before posting here.

At least Sonya was a great character. I hope she gets to come back sometime in the future.

Xenogears15 posted...

At least Sonya was a great character. I hope she gets to come back sometime in the future.

She was great until she just stood around and watched skrodey and nick say "ur bad" to each other when she was on a skrull murdering spree

Otherwise she was good, she was what fury should have been

Blue_Popo posted...

She was great until she just stood around and watched skrodey and nick say "ur bad" to each other when she was on a skrull murdering spree

Otherwise she was good, she was what fury should have been

Yeah, that one climactic scene was just bad for every character involved in it. Just...bad. No other way to put it.

Xenogears15 posted...

Yeah, that one climactic scene was just bad for every character involved in it. Just...bad. No other way to put it.

It would have been way too perfect if she just went "We don't have time for this" and just cut Skrull Rhodey's finger off to reveal blue blood

Up until the finale I would have classed it as 'ok'. Which I consider to be the base minimum of the MCU. Even the projects I don't care as much for, there was always some enjoyable bits or I can see the merits of it. And I mean, SI had that for the first 5 episodes. Sonya was great, there were some excellent scenes. And while the execution was hit or miss, I think things were generally decent and entertaining.

And then the finale hit (and the related plot point that appeared in episode 5). And it was bad. The initial wrap-up was far too basic and straight forward. And then the last few minutes happened. Far too many things were left unresolved or resolved in stupid ways. Many of the implications of the quick scenes at the end are confusing or make no sense or seem to be painting all Skrulls as monstrous. Like that scene with all those bodies. Are they implying most skrulls have taken over somebody's life? Because that makes no sense and kills any sympathy they have. The idea of peace with the kree comes out of nowhere. The president's reactions seems to render Talos's sacrifice moot. Giah was given way too much power and then just let loose. The whole DNA thing was kinda dumb and unnecessary. Rhodey being a Skrull for any length of time makes NO sense. Ugh, it was bad.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It would have been way too perfect if she just went "We don't have time for this" and just cut Skrull Rhodey's finger off to reveal blue blood

I WAS SCREAMING THE SAME THING AT MY TV

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It would have been way too perfect if she just went "We don't have time for this" and just cut Skrull Rhodey's finger off to reveal blue blood

Yeah. She'd still have a hostage with her alive. And they know for a fact it was a Skrull so there's no chance being taken. She's probably try to escape, being stronger than a human and all, but then Fury could shoot her.

TMOG posted...

Sonya, however, was a fucking treasure every time she was on screen and I wish her many happy recurring roles in other MCU projects.

Absolutely. Best thing to come from the series. She felt like Fury used to, but in such a deceptively sweet package.

I feel like sonya and val are too similar. Should have given that role to val

Also julia lousis dryfus is 20 years older than olivia colman which is absurd

Sonya's British. MI6. And better, imo.

Blue_Popo posted...

I feel like sonya and val are too similar. Should have given that role to val

Also julia lousis dryfus is 20 years older than olivia colman which is absurd

She's 13 years older

Im fine with sonya. She was cool

Like fury was established, its cooler if one evil fury is running around