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wackyteen
07/27/23 1:04:16 PM
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https://news.yahoo.com/state-passes-law-require-electric-101500307.html

Lmao the comments are all for it. Thought people fucking hated taxes.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed a legislative proposal into law on May 13 that will make all electric vehicle (EV) owners in the state responsible for paying a $200 annual fee, The Dallas Morning News reported.
The law, which will take effect on Sept. 1, will also require new electric vehicle (EV) owners to pay a one-time fee of $400 to register their cars in addition to the $200 yearly toll.
What�s happening?
The aim of the new law is to recoup some of the tax money the state has lost through EV owners not purchasing pricey gasoline.
For example, since a Tesla doesn�t run on gas, its owner won�t pay the typical taxes that the owner of a gas-fueled car does when stopping at the pump.
Texas uses these fees for road and highway repairs and sometimes for school improvement.
The state already has over 200,000 EVs on the road, with more than 30,000 EVs added this year, meaning the bill will garner around $38 million per year for the state�s highway repair fund, according to The Dallas Morning News.
Why is the bill important?
EVs are beneficial to the planet and to consumers because they slash gas bills, reduce air and noise pollution, and produce less planet-overheating gas pollution. Some fear this new bill will disincentivize Texas residents from purchasing EVs.
UT-Austin transportation engineering professor Kara Kockelman told KVUE that the bill is indicative of Texas� full support for the oil and gas industry.
�Texas is really behind the curve on trying to do the right thing by the environment. And so, that�s embarrassing, I think, for all of us,� she said.
Consumer Reports suggested that the price of Abbott�s new annual fee of $200 is too high. The company found that a fee of $71 would be the �maximum justifiable EV fee� in Texas.
Consumer Reports policy analyst Dylan Jaff also said that the bill does not solve the gap in funding road work.
�Consumers should not be punished for choosing a cleaner, greener car that saves them money on fuel and maintenance,� he said in a release. �The fees proposed in this bill will establish an inequitable fee scale for EV owners and will not provide a viable solution to the long-standing issue of road funding revenue.�
What�s being done about bills like this?
MYEV.com listed at least 18 U.S. states other than Texas that charge EV owners annual fees, ranging from $50 to $200 per year. If your state is considering charging EV owners fees, contact your local representatives and let your voice be heard.
To soften the blow of any potential EV fees � including the sticker price � consider looking into tax breaks and incentives for EV purchases in your state.

Maybe if Texas would quit spending money putting razor traps in water and pushing nursing immigrants into the Rio Grande they'd have the fucking money to afford road repairs without bullshit ass taxes.

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Were_Wyrm
07/27/23 1:07:19 PM
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That's about what they would have to pay a year in gas taxes, everyone paying attention knew this was coming.

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Will_VIIII
07/27/23 1:08:02 PM
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Party of small government and low taxes

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whitelytning
07/27/23 1:08:29 PM
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Texas is a mess but this tax issue is something that states are going to have to address as EV use continues to grow.

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DarkFists
07/27/23 1:08:59 PM
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Texas was my 2nd guess...kinda surprised it wasn't Florida

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theAteam
07/27/23 1:09:35 PM
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Free market, innovation, small govt, etc...

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CableZL
07/27/23 1:10:13 PM
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I knew it was Texas. I heard about this when they passed the law.

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WingsOfGood
07/27/23 1:11:09 PM
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Meanwhile tax breaks for big oil companies

He just hates the middle class
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CARRRNE_ASADA
07/27/23 1:13:13 PM
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Tax revenue wise...it makes sense? Of course theyre also doing it to scare off people from buying EVs as well.

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Tyranthraxus
07/27/23 1:14:21 PM
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I guessed Texas but I already knew they were planning on it

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RuneterranSnap
07/27/23 1:15:33 PM
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Unless they refuse to pay as they should.

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emblem-man
07/27/23 1:16:05 PM
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Does Texas account for vehicle weight for vehicle registration?

If not, vehicle weight could be used to kinda target EVs (and heavy trucks and SUVs), since EVs do weight a lot and that actually does impact road quality.

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Tyranthraxus
07/27/23 1:16:46 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Tax revenue wise...it makes sense? Of course theyre also doing it to scare off people from buying EVs as well.
They're doing it because EVs are cutting into the money they were getting from gas taxes.

IMO we should do away with these taxes and just have a single mileage tax. Every year when you register you put your mileage down and pay taxes based on that.

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Unknown5uspect
07/27/23 1:18:26 PM
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Correctly guessed because I live here, and this is probably the only remotely competent thing this state's legislature has done.

Road repairs are exclusively paid for by the gas tax. How else do you propose to address EVs not paying gas tax?

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Xenogears15
07/27/23 1:20:19 PM
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I actually agree with this. EVs don't pay gas taxes, which are used to maintain roads. You gotta get some sort of tax out of them to maintain the infrastructure. The fact that it's coming from Texas is inconsequential, as all states ahould do this.

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voldothegr8
07/27/23 1:23:07 PM
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Every state is moving in this direction, and a necessity to keep our roads functional with less people paying the gas tax.

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RuneterranSnap
07/27/23 1:28:21 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Every state is moving in this direction, and a necessity to keep our roads functional with less people paying the gas tax.
First they should be making a push towards electric cars by increasing the gas tax. This is fine when electric cars are common place, not when we still want them to be.

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thronedfire2
07/27/23 1:29:07 PM
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Xenogears15 posted...
I actually agree with this. EVs don't pay gas taxes, which are used to maintain roads. You gotta get some sort of tax out of them to maintain the infrastructure. The fact that it's coming from Texas is inconsequential, as all states ahould do this.

does Texas not have excise tax?

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ArtiRock
07/27/23 1:30:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They're doing it because EVs are cutting into the money they were getting from gas taxes.

IMO we should do away with these taxes and just have a single mileage tax. Every year when you register you put your mileage down and pay taxes based on that.
This is probably better to do. As you're paying for run maintenance at that point.

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Xenogears15
07/27/23 1:30:57 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
does Texas not have excise tax?

I have no idea. But gas taxes are the main revenue used to maintain roads, and the shortfall needs to be made up elsewhere.

You have evidently not played SimCity 2000 growing up.

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voldothegr8
07/27/23 1:32:01 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
First they should be making a push towards electric cars by increasing the gas tax. This is fine when electric cars are common place, not when we still want them to be.
Hard to accomplish when EVs still aren't affordable to the masses, nor charging infrastructure in most of the country. Meanwhile people who can afford them have to pay their fair share too.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
07/27/23 1:34:53 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They're doing it because EVs are cutting into the money they were getting from gas taxes.

IMO we should do away with these taxes and just have a single mileage tax. Every year when you register you put your mileage down and pay taxes based on that.


Right so it makes sense to have the tax to offset that revenue loss.

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RuneterranSnap
07/27/23 1:42:38 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Hard to accomplish when EVs still aren't affordable to the masses, nor charging infrastructure in most of the country. Meanwhile people who can afford them have to pay their fair share too.
Then guess we need to do that before this'll be acceptable.

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IceCreamOnStero
07/27/23 1:43:50 PM
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EV's shouldn't be encouraged because they don't solve anything.

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Karovorak
07/27/23 1:48:13 PM
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Sad how it was an obvious 50/50 choice between Texas and Florida.

Nice that I guessed my 50/50 correctly.

Next time some TC will bait us with some bullshit that Ohio is doing (or any other state, no offense to my random victim Ohio intended).

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Starks
07/27/23 1:49:39 PM
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Replacing the gas tax is the least of an EV owner's worries in Texas.

The state wants to ban you from buying a car online without going through a dealership.

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voldothegr8
07/27/23 1:53:11 PM
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Karovorak posted...
Sad how it was an obvious 50/50 choice between Texas and Florida.

Nice that I guessed my 50/50 correctly.

Next time some TC will bait us with some bullshit that Ohio is doing (or any other state, no offense to my random victim Ohio intended).
You do realize around 20 states already do something similar, right? Including the most liberal state of all, California. Not sure why you think this is a partisan issue.

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Jupiter
07/27/23 1:54:41 PM
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My first guess was Texas lol. 2nd guess would have been Florida.

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gatorsPENSbucs
07/27/23 1:56:42 PM
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18 other states are doing it, so Im sure owners figured it was coming if it hadnt already.

But hold up, is this in addition to whatever we already have to pay every year for our regular vehicles or have they not been paying that at all?

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CableZL
07/27/23 2:01:30 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
18 other states are doing it, so Im sure owners figured it was coming if it hadnt already.

But hold up, is this in addition to whatever we already have to pay every year for our regular vehicles or have they not been paying that at all?

We've had inspection and registration fees, but no additional tax to make up for the lack of gas taxes, so the $200 will be in addition to inspection and registration

Although, I think they also dropped the requirement for annual inspections

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JE19426
07/27/23 2:05:34 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Road repairs are exclusively paid for by the gas tax. How else do you propose to address EVs not paying gas tax?

Replace it with a vehicle weight tax. Since Vehicle weight has the biggest effect on the road deterioration caused by the vehicle.
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Lordgold666
07/27/23 2:09:32 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Tax revenue wise...it makes sense? Of course theyre also doing it to scare off people from buying EVs as well.


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RuneterranSnap
07/27/23 2:10:50 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Replace it with a vehicle weight tax. Since Vehicle weight has the biggest effect on the road deterioration caused by the vehicle.
As long as you do something to minimize or hopefully negate the impact it has on truckers.

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ellis123
07/27/23 2:12:35 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
As long as you do something to minimize or hopefully negate the impact it has on truckers.
They are charged as business class. Which is the same, but we make businesses actually pay like normal people instead of getting a free pass.

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gatorsPENSbucs
07/27/23 2:14:04 PM
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CableZL posted...
We've had inspection and registration fees, but no additional tax to make up for the lack of gas taxes, so the $200 will be in addition to inspection and registration

Although, I think they also dropped the requirement for annual inspections
Damn.

Still worth it to you or you think this $200 will maybe make you go back to a regular car? Ive never though of going electric but with gas prices changing every single day it might be something to think about.

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foreverzero212
07/27/23 2:14:33 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
EV's shouldn't be encouraged because they don't solve anything.
Spot on. When I'm rolling coal in the elementary school car line, those fumes make the children stronger. Libs try to tell us that's unhealthy??

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RuneterranSnap
07/27/23 2:16:57 PM
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ellis123 posted...
They are charged as business class. Which is the same, but we make businesses actually pay like normal people instead of getting a free pass.
That's fine and how it should be, I just don't want yet another hit to truckers who already largely have the worst job in the country.

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emblem-man
07/27/23 2:18:01 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Damn.

Still worth it to you or you think this $200 will maybe make you go back to a regular car? Ive never though of going electric but with gas prices changing every single day it might be something to think about.

It'd be weird for this cost to be the difference maker in regards to which type of car, EV or ICE, they get. The higher purchase cost of EVs in general, leading to higher registration costs, is a way bigger consideration

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Slaya4
07/27/23 2:21:30 PM
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I guessed Florida since I thought Texas already did this like a year ago. It makes sense to do it, but I agree it would probably be better to focus on weight.

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Zikten
07/27/23 2:23:48 PM
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CableZL posted...
I knew it was Texas. I heard about this when they passed the law.
Same. It probably would have been 50 50 on guessing Texas or Florida though if I had not known
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foreverzero212
07/27/23 2:24:12 PM
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I would have guessed Florida but then I remembered Elon is buddy buddy with Florida republicans.

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IceCreamOnStero
07/27/23 3:42:27 PM
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foreverzero212 posted...
Spot on. When I'm rolling coal in the elementary school car line, those fumes make the children stronger. Libs try to tell us that's unhealthy??
Ah yes becausethere's absolutely zero alternatives between an EV and traditionally fueled vehicles, nd its absolutely impossible that both may be bad.

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foreverzero212
07/27/23 3:54:59 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Ah yes becausethere's absolutely zero alternatives between an EV and traditionally fueled vehicles, nd its absolutely impossible that both may be bad.
You're the one saying it doesn't solve anything. Air quality is too big of a deal to brush off and even if there was a movement to overhaul America's infrastructure it wouldn't be completed in our lifetime.

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IceCreamOnStero
07/27/23 3:59:39 PM
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Ah yes I forgot how good EVs are for air quality. Thank god, instead of a car releasing emissions, a fossil fuel power plant releases emissions to power the car.

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foreverzero212
07/27/23 4:02:57 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Ah yes I forgot how good EVs are for air quality. Thank god, instead of a car releasing emissions, a fossil fuel power plant releases emissions to power the car.
That's not the EV's fault and it's still better than the source directly under your nose emitting it. I'd say push for solar and renewables but you're against that too. You've gobbled down oil propaganda against EVs and nuclear industry propaganda against renewables.

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TimeForAction
07/27/23 4:06:52 PM
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Ohio has had one for a while. doing some rough calculation on my usage it just about evens out

roughly a tank a week worth of tax
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emblem-man
07/27/23 4:09:23 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Ah yes I forgot how good EVs are for air quality. Thank god, instead of a car releasing emissions, a fossil fuel power plant releases emissions to power the car.

Considering coal power and natural gas usage is only decreasing as time goes on, and renewable energy is increasing....yes it is good.

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TonyKojima
07/27/23 4:09:40 PM
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I won!!

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Priere
07/27/23 4:11:12 PM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Ah yes I forgot how good EVs are for air quality. Thank god, instead of a car releasing emissions, a fossil fuel power plant releases emissions to power the car.
Lets just take the fumes and PUSH them somewhere else!

FR though, a lot of that could be eliminated if we went all in on nuclear power.

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IceCreamOnStero
07/27/23 4:25:55 PM
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foreverzero212 posted...
That's not the EV's fault and it's still better than the source directly under your nose emitting it. I'd say push for solar and renewables but you're against that too. You've gobbled down oil propaganda against EVs and nuclear industry propaganda against renewables.
It is the EVs' fault when people claim they solve everything and use them as excuses to not focus on taking fossil fuels out of the power grid.

EVs are oil propaganda so your latter claim is a bit bogus.

And there is no large scale "nuclear industry". If there was, nuclear plants would be powering the vast majority of any developed country. Rather, I rely on the repeatedly proven fact that nuclear can power the majority of any developed nation's grid, and renewables cannot.

emblem-man posted...
Considering coal power and natural gas usage is only decreasing as time goes on, and renewable energy is increasing....yes it is good.

Nuclear embracement is still far behind where it needs to be so this idea of green EVs is a pipe dream. This comment proves it, as you mention renewables and not nuclear. Reducing car usgae in general is going do far more good than going through a middleman for your pollution

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