Current Events > Poll: Racism against WHITES is a bigger problem than racism against black people

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As public support for reparations for African Americans remains stubbornly low, a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll reveals one major roadblock: Donald Trump voters believe that racism against white Americans has become a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.
The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem.
Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a big problem. Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem.
Trump voters and self-identified Republicans overlapping but not identical cohorts are the only demographic groups identified by Yahoo News and YouGov who are more likely to say racism against white Americans is a problem than to say the same about racism against Black Americans. A majority (51%) of white Americans, for instance, think racism against people who look like them is a problem but overall, far more white Americans (72%) say racism against Black Americans is a problem.
Politics, in other words, is the dividing line here and political dynamics go a long way toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S.
The new Yahoo News/YouGov poll follows the dismissal earlier this month of a lawsuit put forth by the three remaining survivors of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre seeking reparations for ongoing harm caused by the racist rampage that destroyed their once-thriving majority-Black community a century ago. The trio of survivors had sued under Oklahomas public nuisance law, claiming that the ripple effects of the massacre continue to affect the Greenwood community today.
Many supporters saw the Oklahoma suit as a potential blueprint for reparation efforts around the country. But the latest ruling, which dismissed the case with prejudice meaning it cannot be filed again is seen as a stinging setback. The survivors and their attorneys have promised to appeal.
Yet the reality is that even with qualifications, most U.S. adults oppose reparations for Black Americans. According to the Yahoo News/YouGov poll, just a quarter of them (24%) say Black Americans should receive restitution or reparations from the government not necessarily direct cash payments as a result of inequities caused by racism and slavery, while 56% say they should not.
Support is only marginally higher (29%) when respondents are asked specifically about reparations for descendants of enslaved Black Americans rather than all "Black Americans." And even when questioned about reparations for the three remaining survivors of the Tulsa race massacre that is, living people who were directly harmed by racial violence less than half of Americans are in favor (45%). Most are either opposed (33%) or unsure (22%).

1. Why cant we just say, racism is a problem? I think there are a lot of stupid people in this country who dont see through the tribalistic nature of this question, and look at it from a what about me perspective. The facts are that racism against all groups is a problem, but questions like these only seek to further divide those groups.
2. Reparations for slavery isnt just a race issue. Giving away billions of dollars to a racial minority to pay them back for something that their ancestors did, I mean thats a slippery slope. The challenge is, how do you prove that the people who are getting the money actually descended from slaves? There are alot of African Americans who came to the US later.
3. If you are going to go that route, then you also need to give reparations to native Americans as well, and there are plenty of other minorities who could argue their ancestors werent paid what they should have been either. Chinese, Mexican, Italian, Jewish, Irish, I mean a basic US history class and you learn about the sweatshops and the conditions building the railroad and all that. Before you know it, you have an argument that anyone who isnt a wasp is owed something for justices that took place before they were born. Example - my wifes grandparents received a lot of money from Germany over the course of their lives because of their experiences at Auschwitz. And while Germany can never pay the Jewish people back for what they did, I do not believe my wife and I should get money to pay us back for what they went through. (And while I know the comparison doesnt hold up completely because Jews never went back to Germany, and systemic racism is still a thing here, Im merely looking at this economically.)
4. The Tulsa massacre survivors are owed something. They actually experienced it. Just like George Floyds family is owed something for his murder.

Racism is not the reason that people don't like Trump voters.

A few things.

1. Why cant we just say, racism is a problem? I think there are a lot of stupid people in this country who dont see through the tribalistic nature of this question, and look at it from a what about me perspective. The facts are that racism against all groups is a problem, but questions like these only seek to further divide those groups.
2. Reparations for slavery isnt just a race issue. Giving away billions of dollars to a racial minority to pay them back for something that their ancestors did, I mean thats a slippery slope. The challenge is, how do you prove that the people who are getting the money actually descended from slaves? There are alot of African Americans who came to the US later.
3. If you are going to go that route, then you also need to give reparations to native Americans as well, and there are plenty of other minorities who could argue their ancestors werent paid what they should have been either. Chinese, Mexican, Italian, Jewish, Irish, I mean a basic US history class and you learn about the sweatshops and the conditions building the railroad and all that. Before you know it, you have an argument that anyone who isnt a wasp is owed something for justices that took place before they were born. Example - my wifes grandparents received a lot of money from Germany over the course of their lives because of their experiences at Auschwitz. And while Germany can never pay the Jewish people back for what they did, I do not believe my wife and I should get money to pay us back for what they went through. (And while I know the comparison doesnt hold up completely because Jews never went back to Germany, and systemic racism is still a thing here, Im merely looking at this economically.)
4. The Tulsa massacre survivors are owed something. They actually experienced it. Just like George Floyds family is owed something for his murder.

Its up there.

As public support for reparations for African Americans remains stubbornly low

Really now? This is the opening?

A few things.

1. Why cant we just say, racism is a problem? I think there are a lot of stupid people in this country who dont see through the tribalistic nature of this question, and look at it from a what about me perspective. The facts are that racism against all groups is a problem, but questions like these only seek to further divide those groups.
2. Reparations for slavery isnt just a race issue. Giving away billions of dollars to a racial minority to pay them back for something that their ancestors did, I mean thats a slippery slope. The challenge is, how do you prove that the people who are getting the money actually descended from slaves? There are alot of African Americans who came to the US later.
3. If you are going to go that route, then you also need to give reparations to native Americans as well, and there are plenty of other minorities who could argue their ancestors werent paid what they should have been either. Chinese, Mexican, Italian, Jewish, Irish, I mean a basic US history class and you learn about the sweatshops and the conditions building the railroad and all that. Before you know it, you have an argument that anyone who isnt a wasp is owed something for justices that took place before they were born. Example - my wifes grandparents received a lot of money from Germany over the course of their lives because of their experiences at Auschwitz. And while Germany can never pay the Jewish people back for what they did, I do not believe my wife and I should get money to pay us back for what they went through. (And while I know the comparison doesnt hold up completely because Jews never went back to Germany, and systemic racism is still a thing here, Im merely looking at this economically.)
4. The Tulsa massacre survivors are owed something. They actually experienced it. Just like George Floyds family is owed something for his murder.

Um jews and native Americans did get reparations. Our ancestors (I'm black) didn't even get the 40 acres and a mule. Pretty sure something is owed here. Doesn't have to be money but black people are owed something. Considering we're still being terrorized by that same racism

Um jews and native Americans did get reparations. Our ancestors (I'm black) didn't even get the 40 acres and a mule. Pretty sure something is owed here. Doesn't have to be money but black people are owed something. Considering we're still being terrorized by that same racism

Trump voters are fragile white boys, tonight on Well, DUH.

176 native American tribes got 1.3 billion dollars for four hundred years of genocide.

My fault for not being clear.

Racism against white people is not the reason Trump voters are despised.

Are you guys supporting reparations as a symbolic gesture from history's abuses? Or you guys want the money? I'm not in favor of reparations but I am curious to hear why so many people support reparations.

It's still reparations. Black people got nothing but segregation, lynching, and discrimination. At least they have some land of their own. Yes I know it's terrible land but it's still something they got while black people literally got nothing and the shit that we did work for was destroyed.

Now, I get segregation and the klan and Jim Crow and all of that still meant that the gap was ridiculously unfair all things considered, but say you got nothing at all is insane.

In 1865, African American men were given the right to vote, own land, get a job, and access to education by this country.

Because it's owed, period. And it shouldn't be a monetary repayment. It should be in the form of something like free education, land grants and/or tax breaks, etc.

If you're looking to close the economic gap between different populations in the US, I'd argue to explore different avenues first before going to such a divisive suggestion.

What do you mean by owed?

Realize it's a fundamental disagreement here; my ancestors were slaves but I say their slave masters owe me nothing. I benefit heavily from the sacrifices they along with everyone else made to make the country what it is today. I live in a country with the most dominant currency that I took advantage of for my own financial gain. I live in a country with some of the highest tier of education that I took advantage of for my benefit. In addition, my own education was granted to me from a (now defunct) supreme court ruling that gave me an advantage to have a higher probability of accessing high tier education compared to my higher achieving peers of other ethnicities. I don't feel owed by this country at all; in fact I feel as I owe and have to pay it forward.

So I reiterate, what do you mean by owed. And what do you intend to accomplish through the reparations?

If it's a symbolic gesture, then I am more open to the idea. If you're looking to close the economic gap between different populations in the US, I'd argue to explore different avenues first before going to such a divisive suggestion.

Reparations for slavery isnt just a race issue. Giving away billions of dollars to a racial minority to pay them back for something that their ancestors did, I mean thats a slippery slope. The challenge is, how do you prove that the people who are getting the money actually descended from slaves? There are alot of African Americans who came to the US later.

Better minds than you or I have done this. Monetary reparations usually end up playing some part of their suggestions.

You know exactly what I mean by owed and there's absolutely no point in going back and forth about this. You've heard all the reasons before and, clearly, still feel as you do.

No, I do not know what you mean by owed. I'm trying to understand your sentiment. And if you're not looking to persuade others to support you, how exactly do you intend to garner support? By strong arming people?

There are far cheaper, more sustainable, and far more respectable ways than monetary reparations to close the gap.

Is this a situation where I can bring up Sad Face up there being a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier?

Feels pretty relevant right about now.

Better minds are never in a position to have their ideas turn into governmental actions. There are far cheaper, more sustainable, and far more respectable ways than monetary reparations to close the gap.

Feels pretty relevant right about now.

Thats not remotely true. In 1865, African American men were given the right to vote, own land, get a job, and access to education by this country. Native Americans got none of that until 1924. Thats why they got the money, just for clarification.

Now, I get segregation and the klan and Jim Crow and all of that still meant that the gap was ridiculously unfair all things considered, but say you got nothing at all is insane. And yes, many white criminals escaped justice for their actions against African Americans for years. Yes, separate but equal was bullshit and needed to be eliminated. Yes, its completely stupid that Barack Obama gets to walk around with the label of being the first black president, instead of just being a President. I am not disqualifying systemic racism, and if the governor of Florida asked me to teach my students that slavery was provided beneficial skills to slaves, Id probably be fired.

But to say you got nothing is historically inaccurate. The unfortunate reality is that no amount of money is going to fix the crimes that took place against slaves and those that suffered in the Jim Crow South. And the Supreme Court just told millions of borrowers to go fuck themselves because of their student loan debt. So using the same law that gave African Americans the right to vote, I find it very unlikely that Congress or the Supreme Court would ever recognize the legality or necessity of sending out checks to minorities who are already citizens.