Poll of the Day > Any of you here believe that on avg. american cops are the worst?

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people hate cops because the majority of people have been arbitrarily fucked around by them

nobody shits their pants when people say that all lawyers are evil.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I find that most 'good' cops are complacent and don't do shit about the bad cops in their department and actively protect them.

Depends on the cops. But there are plenty that dont protect them. But also have no power to get rid of them. Sometimes, its the people in power that are the bad one protecting other bad ones

ReturnOfFa posted...

nobody shits their pants when people say that all lawyers are evil.

Tbf, thats also a stupid take

LinkPizza posted...

Tbf, thats also a stupid take

I mean, it's facetious, but I don't see lawyers whining about it.

LinkPizza posted...

Depends on the cops. But there are plenty that dont protect them. But also have no power to get rid of them. Sometimes, its the people in power that are the bad one protecting other bad ones

I find the evidence bears out the opposite. I hear 0 cops speaking out in the capital city I live in when they fuck up. They'll claim there's mass 'violence against police' when there's a traffic accident involving someone hitting a cop car. Then they'll bloody well cream someone in the middle of an intersection, and it's all 'la dee da'. They don't get my respect whatsoever. My sister is an ER nurse, and nurses statistically face MORE violence than police. However, nurses have training de-escalation training. You don't see nurses abusing their power. You see cops do it every week. My sister has literally watched cops throw her patients to the ground and then attempt to pressure her into saying it was the patient's fault.

I also live in a city where the police entrapped a couple of heroin addicts and convinced them to bomb the legislature. Later they arrested them for 'terrorism' when the RCMP literally created all of the plans. Waste of fucking money.

ReturnOfFa posted...

people hate cops because the majority of people have been arbitrarily fucked around by them

nobody shits their pants when people say that all lawyers are evil.

They don't? How do you figure this?

GranTurismo posted...

They don't? How do you figure this?

Do you mean that people don't say that lawyers are evil, or do you mean that lawyers don't shit their pants upon hearing their profession derided?

A guy I graduated with became a cop, and has given me a couple of rides when running into me. He pulled about 3 illegal driving manuevers within 5 minutes.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I find that most 'good' cops are complacent and don't do shit about the bad cops in their department and actively protect them.

Right? Lol where are all these superhero cops changing the system??

ReturnOfFa posted...

I mean, it's facetious, but I don't see lawyers whining about it.

Its probably because they know its stupid, as well Its a stupid take, but the cant always change someones mind about it

ReturnOfFa posted...

I find the evidence bears out the opposite. I hear 0 cops speaking out in the capital city I live in when they fuck up. They'll claim there's mass 'violence against police' when there's a traffic accident involving someone hitting a cop car. Then they'll bloody well cream someone in the middle of an intersection, and it's all 'la dee da'. They don't get my respect whatsoever. My sister is an ER nurse, and nurses statistically face MORE violence than police. However, nurses have training de-escalation training. You don't see nurses abusing their power. You see cops do it every week. My sister has literally watched cops throw her patients to the ground and then attempt to pressure her into saying it was the patient's fault.

The problem is you dont know whats going on everywhere else at all times. No one can keep up with everywhere. Ive heard of lots of times where good cops have arrested bad cops, or stopped bad cops from doing shady shit, or the time the station took down a group of corrupt cops. But its also jot stuff people talk about on here. Cops have done good stuff, but the only posts we get on here is about the bad stuff Maybe your area is filled with bad cops, but that doesnt mean ACAB And not all cops have training to de-escalate situations. But they have been trying to train more. But its not a fast process

potdnewb posted...

i guess you missed all of her acab posts

Nope. You, again, need to just take the L here and adjust your ability to comprehend what has been said, not just in this topic but in general.

LinkPizza posted...

Its probably because they know its stupid, as well Its a stupid take, but the cant always change someones mind about it

that's part of why I find it annoying that cops get extremely defensive about criticism

LinkPizza posted...

Its probably because they know its stupid, as well Its a stupid take, but the cant always change someones mind about it

The problem is you dont know whats going on everywhere else at all times. No one can keep up with everywhere. Ive heard of lots of times where good cops have arrested bad cops, or stopped bad cops from doing shady shit, or the time the station took down a group of corrupt cops. But its also jot stuff people talk about on here. Cops have done good stuff, but the only posts we get on here is about the bad stuff Maybe your area is filled with bad cops, but that doesnt mean ACAB And not all cops have training to de-escalate situations. But they have been trying to train more. But its not a fast process

a) things are worse elsewhere as far as statistics go. cops don't help poverty, they just exacerbate it. populations of unhoused people are increasing everwhere. cops only serve to harass them from location to location. they are useless.

b) I dunno, I find it weird that you say you can think of these things (cops doing good things), but aren't using examples. I can think of a few 'good' instances too. The cops here took out a couple of psycho bank robber brothers that wanted to kill cops. It was a month after Uvalde and they didn't hesitate whatsoever. I'm also not just talking about 'what I see here' on...PotD. I'm talking about the accumulation of media, both pro and anti cop. I see way more corruption than I see good.

c) them not being trained to de-escalate is the problem. I don't personally work for places that don't protect me. It's sad that cops don't have that pride.

It also seems like cops are...even worse elsewhere, outside of where I live. and they're still pissants where I live.

ReturnOfFa posted...

that's part of why I find it annoying that cops get extremely defensive about criticism

Many people can take criticism This is just saying you bad because people you work with are bad Constructive criticism would probably be better, but no one would do that

LinkPizza posted...

Many people can take criticism This is just saying you bad because people you work with are bad Constructive criticism would probably be better, but no one would do that

There are fucking piles of constructive criticism that has happened. Stations and organizations love to ignore it. That's why people are mad.

I also strongly dislike them because these days 80% of their job seems to be confiscating the belongings of homeless people and telling them to move to another park where they'll do the same thing in 3 months.

The other 20% of their job appears to be inconsistent traffic policing.

I love the idea of "civil forfeiture" where if you are simply caught traveling with large sums of money that's automatically probable cause for them to confiscate your money and you have zero recourse to get it back.

ReturnOfFa posted...

a) things are worse elsewhere as far as statistics go. cops don't help poverty, they just exacerbate it. populations of unhoused people are increasing everwhere. cops only serve to harass them from location to location. they are useless.

b) I dunno, I find it weird that you say you can think of these things (cops doing good things), but aren't using examples. I can think of a few 'good' instances too. The cops here took out a couple of psycho bank robber brothers that wanted to kill cops. It was a month after Uvalde and they didn't hesitate whatsoever. I'm also not just talking about 'what I see here' on...PotD. I'm talking about the accumulation of media, both pro and anti cop. I see way more corruption than I see good.

c) them not being trained to de-escalate is the problem. I don't personally work for places that don't protect me. It's sad that cops don't have that pride.

It also seems like cops are...even worse elsewhere, outside of where I live. and they're still pissants where I live.

Tbf, I dont see many people helping poverty. Though, Ive seen enough cops who have tried to help people who need it. Maybe its just what I see, but I have seen it And the cops are told to do their jobs if someone (homeless or not) is on someones property, and they call the cops, the cops have to move them. Not sure about you, but I know many people who dont have room for people to crash on their property So, not useless, but doing their job. And even if they didnt tell them, another cop would At that point, theres no kick anyone can do

I can use examples. But its also. Ot like they are few and far in-between Not only have I heard stories about it in person, but there are plenty of news reports And you always see more corruption than good because the corruption stories get more views/clicks than the good ones. Tbh, many of the good ones have probably de-escalated situations so that there is no story But if you want examples, I could get you some Will probably take some time as I have work soon, and the internet sucks there. But I could get some Though, would that even help. You said yourself you have seen it. You just said you normally see more bad than good, which is usually the case with most things, from what Ive seen

The training they receive in the subject during initial training isnt the best, from what I hear. Though, I hear the extra training theyve done is better. Though, that one takes time Which is why it takes longer to get all officers through it

I cant tell you about where you live, or everywhere else. I can only talk about cops where I have had interactions with them (which would be my hometown, and my current town), or what I see in some kind of media Some cops are awful, some are corrupt, some are good, some are awesome, some are amazing, and some are just complacent Not all of them fit under one scope Thats pretty much it

ReturnOfFa posted...

There are fucking piles of constructive criticism that has happened. Stations and organizations love to ignore it. That's why people are mad.

Most of what I see is just ACAB or they suck or Since they work with other cops, and some of them are bad, they are all bad Not saying there isnt any constructive criticism, but I hardly see it And again, you act like its all cops. Many stations are making changes, and trying to get rid of the trash. But some stations have the corrupt ones in control

ReturnOfFa posted...

I also strongly dislike them because these days 80% of their job seems to be confiscating the belongings of homeless people and telling them to move to another park where they'll do the same thing in 3 months.

The other 20% of their job appears to be inconsistent traffic policing.

Probably depends on where you live. Where I am, the cops dont bother the homeless unless someone ask for them to get off their property. But if they dont care, then the police dont bother them At least, thats how it is where I currently am

I could nitpick a lot, but I'll just call it here. I've seen you keep discussions going for 2 full topics @LinkPizza , ha. Stay well.

ReturnOfFa posted...

I mean, it's facetious, but I don't see lawyers whining about it.

I find the evidence bears out the opposite. I hear 0 cops speaking out in the capital city I live in when they fuck up. They'll claim there's mass 'violence against police' when there's a traffic accident involving someone hitting a cop car. Then they'll bloody well cream someone in the middle of an intersection, and it's all 'la dee da'. They don't get my respect whatsoever. My sister is an ER nurse, and nurses statistically face MORE violence than police. However, nurses have training de-escalation training. You don't see nurses abusing their power. You see cops do it every week. My sister has literally watched cops throw her patients to the ground and then attempt to pressure her into saying it was the patient's fault.

The fuck kind of claim is that?

American cops>gamefaqs moderators

NinjaGhosts posted...

American cops>gamefaqs moderators

oh, so you def dont think very highly of the mods on this site?

Revelation34 posted...

The fuck kind of claim is that?

Sure, I could've tempered that statement a little. There are a lot of awful and odd cases of nurses abusing their power. It doesn't statistically bear out that nurses are doing so at the same rate as police officers. Likely due to the fact that they are required to train far more and are under intense scrutiny.

GranTurismo posted...

oh, so you def dont think very highly of the mods on this site?

A lot of people don't think very highly of them. It's a generalization problem though because the hate for mods comes from the ones that have been lead and veteran mods for a long time. There's not any good consistency here.

sull56ivan2010 posted...

A lot of people don't think very highly of them. It's a generalization problem though because the hate for mods comes from the ones that have been lead and veteran mods for a long time. There's not any good consistency here.

you mean alot of the lead and veteran mods are this site are worse than the ones who aren't leads and stuff?

GranTurismo posted...

you mean alot of the lead and veteran mods are this site are worse than the ones who aren't leads and stuff?

Yes. And it's usually the same seven or eight mods that make it easy to generalize and hate on every moderator here because of how they approach things. There's some chill mods here and they don't deserve the scorn because of the ones who have had long tenure.

One of the other problems is admin. There's some users who keep getting put into purgatory year after year without getting banned. As soon as they're back, they get busted pretty quickly and back into purg. It gets frustrating a bit because there's only so many times you can give someone a free pass.

GranTurismo posted...

you mean alot of the lead and veteran mods are this site are worse than the ones who aren't leads and stuff?

They're all trash. If that wasn't the case you would actually see some moderations get overturned, but that never happens. One mod drops a turd and when someone questions it, the others just gather around to admire it and get a sniff.

sull56ivan2010 posted...

Yes. And it's usually the same seven or eight mods that make it easy to generalize and hate on every moderator here because of how they approach things. There's some chill mods here and they don't deserve the scorn because of the ones who have had long tenure.

yeah, you would hope,. or think that lead mods would be like above avg. or something.

Another thing, what do you think is the most modded category on this site, or the category they are toughest on? maybe offensive

GranTurismo posted...

yeah, you would hope,. or think that lead mods would be like above avg. or something.

Another thing, what do you think is the most modded category on this site, or the category they are toughest on? maybe offensive

The sad thing is some of the lead mods don't lead by example and as a result, don't act in a good manner at times. Users want accountability on them.

I think it comes down to three categories. Either Abusive Behavior, Offensive, and Trolling. The consistency is very rough.