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Garioshi
07/12/23 6:52:20 PM
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this is kind of a long story but i'll sum it up as best as i can

I've been living in this house for about 2 years at this point, and the HVAC has always sucked. It's too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. My room is particularly bad because I'm both on the top floor and the ducts connected to my room are just smaller for reasons I can't comprehend. Over the past 2 summers, I've been subjected to my room being 80+F all day for a whole week in some cases. It's simply not livable. Last summer, I asked to get a window unit, and he said no because he was afraid of the cost. I resorted to filling large Tupperware containers with water, freezing them, and just putting them into my room until they melted. This year, I told him that I simply wasn't going to deal with it, and he agreed to me getting an AC unit, paid out of my own pocket. The cost has been negligible, so that's not an issue anymore.

Things have been going well since then, but due to how extraordinarily hot this summer has been, I've sometimes been running it even when I'm not home to avoid dealing with the heat when I get home. Today, he told me to stop running it when I'm not home because the other tenants have been asking for permission to get their own AC units. He says he doesn't want them getting units because he's afraid of overloading a circuit and creating a fire hazard, and he doesn't want to give them any grounds to argue that I'm overusing my unit (or something like that i have no fucking idea). As far as I know, the only real fire hazard in a correctly-wired house is if devices are pulling more current than their wires can handle, which shouldn't be an issue for a window unit. Part of his concern is that the house is old, but it's clearly been rewired since it has 3-prong outlets. I don't think he actually wants me to move out, but I feel like it's possible to convince him that the other tenants getting their own window units won't burn the house down.

Any suggestions on what I should do? If he decides to evict me for some reason, do I have any means of retaliation?

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PowerOats
07/12/23 6:56:27 PM
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How much is rent? Anywhere in your area seem like a better place?

Cuz paying for a place and it not being comfortable year round better have a low price
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The_X_Dawg
07/12/23 6:57:40 PM
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Fuck landlord leeches.
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LincolnDuncan
07/12/23 6:57:48 PM
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Landlord sounds like he's making stuff up because he doesn't want to give in to tenants wishes.


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bnui_ransder
07/12/23 6:58:24 PM
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If everyone has their own separate panels and metered connections I don't see how you could overload circuit

But if he went cheap and every tenant shares then panels then yes, a circuit could get overloaded

In most older houses, all bedroom outlets share a breaker, and the lights are on a separate breaker. I believe it's normal for maybe 10 outlets on one breaker? Since each bedroom usually has 3-4, they usually just slap them all on one circuit

Do you have 2 windows? You could possible get 2 cheap box fans and have one fan be an intake fan and the other pushing out to help funnel some of that hot air out before you run your A/C unit

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WingsOfGood
07/12/23 6:58:57 PM
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Portable AC right?
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superbot400
07/12/23 6:59:28 PM
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Landlords are evil, I am sorry.

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Skankhair
07/12/23 6:59:36 PM
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Look up a legal aid so in your area. A lot of do tenant law and eviction defense for free.
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Garioshi
07/12/23 6:59:55 PM
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PowerOats posted...
How much is rent? Anywhere in your area seem like a better place?
If it isn't the cheapest, it's damn close. I have lots of space and I like it a lot, aside of the temperature issue. I don't want to move out, and we're on good terms aside of this.

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WingsOfGood
07/12/23 7:02:08 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Landlords are evil, I am sorry.

It is just that you are the product. And saving costs on the product is how you make money. So most landlord don't care if your place livable.
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thronedfire2
07/12/23 7:02:14 PM
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is electricity included in your rent? that's the only way I could see this being a problem. if the building's circuits can't handle one AC per unit it needs new wiring.

I ran 3 almost 24/7 last year and it was only an extra $60/month so one is only 20. asking not to run it when you aren't home isn't unreasonable though, they usually work pretty fast but I have a cat so I leave mine on when Im at work.

I think it actually might not even be legal to disallow window ACs unless that was specified in the lease. might want to ask other tenants

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Garioshi
07/12/23 7:03:03 PM
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bnui_ransder posted...
If everyone has their own separate panels and metered connections I don't see how you could overload circuit

But if he went cheap and every tenant shares then panels then yes, a circuit could get overloaded
Would this be a fire hazard, though?

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thronedfire2
07/12/23 7:04:02 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Would this be a fire hazard, though?

yeah

I think you can request the building inspection from the city but some places are bad

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Garioshi
07/12/23 7:04:38 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
is electricity included in your rent?
Nope, utilities are separate, and the electricity bill from last June is comparable to this June (after I got the unit).

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Lonestar2000
07/12/23 7:09:35 PM
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Sounds like the place isn't up to code and he is worried about it getting condemned.

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NatsuSama
07/12/23 7:10:37 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Landlords are evil, I am sorry.


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thronedfire2
07/12/23 7:19:15 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Nope, utilities are separate, and the electricity bill from last June is comparable to this June (after I got the unit).

yeah so that's ridiculous and I would definitely get together with the other tenants. and see if you can find the latest safety inspection

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Michael_Booth
07/12/23 7:23:23 PM
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"Running your unit constantly can lead to mechanical failures and fires. Consider installing a programmable thermostat and program the unit to run less often when most family members are away."

If it isn't a $100,000 system+, it's not designed to be run 24/7 -- a cheap $1000-$5000 Window A/C is designed to be run 4-5 hours a day maximum.
Seriously, just have a look at the manual -- it will have a MASSIVE warning "not to run constantly" or "this unit is not designed for constant usage."
Ignore these warnings at your peril.

Also, I hope you're cleaning it AT MINIMUM every 30 days... To not do so, compounds the above issue.
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The_X_Dawg
07/12/23 7:24:52 PM
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Carljank
07/12/23 7:25:17 PM
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None of that is your concern or problem TC. The landlord can go fuck himself. He has ZERO grounds to evict you. Keep copies of all correspondence in order to prove he's retaliatimg if he tries to make up a reason to evict you.

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superbot400
07/12/23 8:36:43 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
I will be never understand America obsessions of kissing Landlords ass. The reason that landlord get away with crap like this is because there is no competition to put these landlord in check. Small Business Owners cant get away with the stuff Landlord do.

OP should report him , there are tenant rights depending where he lives.


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divot1338
07/12/23 8:39:00 PM
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Sounds like a firetrap. Why do you want to stay in a shithole like that.

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bnui_ransder
07/12/23 8:39:53 PM
#24:


That's true landlord's are assholes

What's also true is depending on the set up even 2 running at the same time on the same circuit can cause breakers to trip

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pnut027
07/12/23 8:40:03 PM
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Thats not the HVAC. Thats poor insulation.

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thronedfire2
07/12/23 8:41:19 PM
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bnui_ransder posted...
That's true landlord's are assholes

What's also true is depending on the set up even 2 running at the same time on the same circuit can cause breakers to trip

only if that setup is 50 years old. it's the 2020s now, wiring in apartments should be up to date

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Trumpo
07/12/23 8:41:42 PM
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Bet landlord charges tenants top dollar for the apartments.

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bnui_ransder
07/12/23 8:44:41 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
only if that setup is 50 years old. it's the 2020s now, wiring in apartments should be up to date
Everyone is so cheap they haven't done any upgrades unless they really have to, tightwad apartment managers

Plus the newest breakers are so fucking sensitive, I hate them but it's to code.

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thronedfire2
07/12/23 8:46:25 PM
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KanWan posted...
Well tbf there was never any ass kissing of landlords to begin with

yeah that's why I was saying to get the latest inspection from the city. you don't wanna be like the tenants of that condo in Miami that collapsed

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Requiem
07/12/23 8:49:19 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Any suggestions on what I should do? If he decides to evict me for some reason, do I have any means of retaliation?

Depends on your state (or even your city).
Usually, there are information for help available from various city/state homepages, so I strongly recommend you try looking them up (or even calling the state housing department / office to get help from someone on where to look for additional info).

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Garioshi
07/12/23 9:39:31 PM
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To be clear, I'm renting a house and not an apartment.

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NO2_Fiend
07/12/23 9:43:21 PM
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Garioshi posted...
this is kind of a long story but i'll sum it up as best as i can

I've been living in this house for about 2 years at this point, and the HVAC has always sucked. It's too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. My room is particularly bad because I'm both on the top floor and the ducts connected to my room are just smaller for reasons I can't comprehend. Over the past 2 summers, I've been subjected to my room being 80+F all day for a whole week in some cases. It's simply not livable. Last summer, I asked to get a window unit, and he said no because he was afraid of the cost. I resorted to filling large Tupperware containers with water, freezing them, and just putting them into my room until they melted. This year, I told him that I simply wasn't going to deal with it, and he agreed to me getting an AC unit, paid out of my own pocket. The cost has been negligible, so that's not an issue anymore.

Things have been going well since then, but due to how extraordinarily hot this summer has been, I've sometimes been running it even when I'm not home to avoid dealing with the heat when I get home. Today, he told me to stop running it when I'm not home because the other tenants have been asking for permission to get their own AC units. He says he doesn't want them getting units because he's afraid of overloading a circuit and creating a fire hazard, and he doesn't want to give them any grounds to argue that I'm overusing my unit (or something like that i have no fucking idea). As far as I know, the only real fire hazard in a correctly-wired house is if devices are pulling more current than their wires can handle, which shouldn't be an issue for a window unit. Part of his concern is that the house is old, but it's clearly been rewired since it has 3-prong outlets. I don't think he actually wants me to move out, but I feel like it's possible to convince him that the other tenants getting their own window units won't burn the house down.

Any suggestions on what I should do? If he decides to evict me for some reason, do I have any means of retaliation?
Not siding with your landlord but those units can overload the circuit. If I use my toaster while I have my window unit running it pops the circuit lol.

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bnui_ransder
07/12/23 10:33:30 PM
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NO2_Fiend posted...
Not siding with your landlord but those units can overload the circuit. If I use my toaster while I have my window unit running it pops the circuit lol.
I forgot to say this too, not siding with the landlord but there may be some truth to what they were saying

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divot1338
07/12/23 10:36:41 PM
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Ive never understood why people dont run those things off of solar panels? Theres pretty much a 100% correlation between how much sun there is and how hot the back of my house gets in the summer.

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