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papercup posted...

Do you think that 1)The democrats of today are the same democrats of 120 years ago? And 2) you don't actually think those people are still alive, do you? And ask yourself, if it's the democrats that were pro-slavery, why is it then the republicans are the ones eroding rights and trying to to turn anyone that isn't a straight white male christian into a second class citizen?

What rights are they eroding exactly? Last I saw, a black person has the exact same rights a white person has. What they don't tolerate is tribalism. Something that has come to be an extreme fetish on the left. Nobody seems to see the irony in the fact that the people that are sorting everyone into groups and assigning them a societal status, are calling the people that don't bigots.

adjl posted...

If your grandfather stole something that he passed on to you, should you not return it when you learn it was stolen?

That's not really a good analogy for reparations. An overwhelming amount of white people in this country were poor working class individuals. Why should their descendants need to pay? Hell, my family wasn't even living here at the time. What entities anyone to my money?

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What rights?

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and you would be a black hole

Ozmose posted...

What rights?

So you are oblivious

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please share the tag with all your arguing in bad faith posting

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Oh look, the typical 2 step response when posed a simple question.
Step 1: Ignore the question or give a vague nonsense answer.
Step 2: Spew insults and label everyone that disagrees with you a bigot.

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That's funny, I didn't see you name a single specific right.
Here, I'll even provide you with the list. Go ahead, point out the one that's being denied.
https://www.ushistory.org/us/18a.asp

All these empty posts, of course the snowflake is spewing his bile all over this topic.

potdnewb posted...

jefferson davis the president of the confederacy and a democrat
alexander stephens was the vice president of the confederacy and a democrat
clearly us history is not your forte

So I can't see half the posts in this thread because of Ozmose the Sensitive, but this kind of pisses me off just seeing this part. WHO CARES? The democratic party used to effectively be a branch of the KKK. What possible relevance could that have in a modern discussion? No one can argue the modern democratic party is the same as the democrats of the past, just like no one can possibly argue the republican party of today can claim to be the part of Lincoln any longer.
jsb0714 posted...

So Democrats are completely forgiven yet someone who made a stupid social media post years ago is branded for life.

What could possibly let a person think this is anything approaching a reasonable and rational post?

Ozmose posted...

You do realize the south was overwhelmingly run by Democrats during the Civil War, right?

It's impressive how ignorant you are about how the parties have changed over the last 150 years...

I blame the Anti-Federalists personally.

Ozmose posted...

That's not really a good analogy for reparations. An overwhelming amount of white people in this country were poor working class individuals. Why should their descendants need to pay? Hell, my family wasn't even living here at the time. What entities anyone to my money?

I'm all for tracing the slave money to make sure reparations are paid specifically by people that profited from slavery instead of taking a shotgun approach, but at this point, there's a pretty good chance that everyone in the US with enough money to contribute meaningfully to a reparations fund has received slavery-based money at some point in their careers. It's not a guarantee, but it's probable enough to skip the considerable amount of legwork required to trace the money conclusively.

Now, that said, I'm generally not huge on reparations as a concept. As a concept, they focus more on what people "deserve" or "are owed," which are largely useless considerations. Instead, programs like that should be framed as general social welfare programs, focused on results: If a group is poor as a result of certain social institutions, fix those institutions and shore up whatever deficiencies are making them poor. No questions of entitlements, just "here's a problem, let's solve it using general tax dollars."

BlackScythe0 posted...

So I can't see half the posts in this thread because of Ozmose the Sensitive, but this kind of pisses me off just seeing this part. WHO CARES? The democratic party used to effectively be a branch of the KKK. What possible relevance could that have in a modern discussion? No one can argue the modern democratic party is the same as the democrats of the past, just like no one can possibly argue the republican party of today can claim to be the part of Lincoln any longer.

if you dont know history your doomed to repeat it

potdnewb posted...

if you dont know history your doomed to repeat it

0/10 the only people who would bring that up in a thread like this are people are trying to assert it's actually democrats who are racist and not the people yelling "Heil Trump!"

BlackScythe0 posted...

0/10 the only people who would bring that up in a thread like this are people are trying to assert it's actually democrats who are racist and not the people yelling "Heil Trump!"

im 200 percent positive that racists exist in both parties and anyone who argues against that is just an ostrich

potdnewb posted...

im 200 percent positive that racists exist in both parties and anyone who argues against that is just an ostrich

That is like saying you're positive that even after distilling a bunch of times there is surely still a bit of water in alcohol.

It's a fucking worthless statement.

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captpackrat posted...

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Internet legal advice is sure to be sound.

potdnewb posted...

jefferson davis the president of the confederacy and a democrat
alexander stephens was the vice president of the confederacy and a democrat
clearly us history is not your forte

As a history major, where history IS my forte, this is disingenuous at best. When looking at the Civil War, you need to look at regional politics and not party politics, as there were also northern Democrats that of course didn't secede from the union. In fact during the 1864 presidential election, northern democrats and republicans had formed the National Union Party, as a way to attract War Democrats, who were very anti-confederate. Southern Democrats in that era, well into the 1960s were very conservative, northern ones were more likely to be more progressive in that era. The Party platform had been a populist one really since the days of Andrew Jackson, but they expanded the scope of that to be more than just "white men" over time.

The Republican Party had formed as a more progressive party, but over time they started to get the stigma of being the pro big business, pro rich party, especially after FDR really positioned the Democrat Party as the party working for the "common man" during the Great Depression. There's a reason the man won 4 straight landslide elections and they literally had to change the Constitution after his presidency. With civil rights being a hot button, dividing issue for the Democrats in the 60s, a lot of Southern Democrats were feeling disenfranchised by LBJ backing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and thus the Republican Southern Strategy began to court those members of the Democrat Party as a new voting base. There's a reason why Strom Thurmond, for example, switched parties in 1964, after famously filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as a Democrat and campaigned for Barry Goldwater an extremely right wing, anti Civil Rights Republican candidate. , claiming that the Democrat Party had "abandoned the people". While Goldwater failed miserably, that basically set the stage for the "New Right", and Nixon winning in '68, to really seal the party shift.

TL/DR version:

The Democrat Party in the South of the 19th century was a vastly different party than the current one. There's a reason the fucking Klan doesn't vote democrat these days.

*mic drop*

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

The Democrat Party in the South of the 19th century was a vastly different party than the current one. There's a reason the fucking Klan doesn't vote democrat these days.

no one is arguing that only one user is acting like the confederates didnt identify as democrats

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I don't think people forgot; it's all just a desperate "both sides" deflection attempt.

potdnewb posted...

no one is arguing that only one user is acting like the confederates didnt identify as democrats

I'm pretty sure somebody just called the confederates "conservative" and you jumped from there to the conclusion that they didn't realize they were Democrats. The reality, of course, because that Republican/Democrat didn't have the clear conservative/liberal divide we see today due to party lines not being drawn along sweeping ideological divides, is that they were largely conservative Democrats.