Current Events > The cowardly school guard mass shooting trial had closing arguments today

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Avirosb posted...

Oh god, where is the drowning coming from?!

Actually there was a case like that.
As I recall he left his for someone in danger.
Saved the person, and then got fire.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Captains are held legally responsible if they leave any of their crew members to die. So should cowardly cops like this

Completely different circumstances but ok.

Dude is old enough to be anyone's grandpa. The mistake was to put someone like that in that position in the first place. I'm surprised he didn't kneel over from a heart attack instead.

I thought the Supreme Court already ruled police are not required to save lives?

itcheyness posted...

I thought the Supreme Court already ruled police are not required to save lives?

This. They arent there to protect the peasantry to begin with.

KanWan posted...

Im most cases you get fired for doing your job

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MrDrMan posted...

And you arent a coward? You sit here and bitch online about what someone else should have done because you are too scared to do it yourself.

Get over yourself. You guys are not tough. You wouldnt have done shit. Just stop.

If you feel that strongly about it then please go be a cop and show people how its done. So tired of people bitching online about stuff they will never actually do anything about. Enough with the fake outrage.

You know what I agree with this. There was one time I got mugged by gang members in broad daylight at an intersection near my highschool. Everybody seen what happened. After the event some lady with her kids pulled up to me as i was walking home to ask me if I was alright. I wanted to scream at her, "why would you ask me that now? Of course I'm not ok. Why did you sat there and watch?"

Ragtag28 posted...

You know what I agree with this. There was one time I got mugged by gang members in broad daylight at an intersection near my highschool. Everybody seen what happened. After the event some lady with her kids pulled up to me as i was walking home to ask me if I was alright. I wanted to scream at her, "why would you ask me that now? Of course I'm not ok. Why did you sat there and watch?"

DRS ABC.

The D stands for Danger. Always check for danger before helping someone. Getting involved would have put herself and her children in danger.

Is that JD for the defense?

Ragtag28 posted...

You know what I agree with this. There was one time I got mugged by gang members in broad daylight at an intersection near my highschool. Everybody seen what happened. After the event some lady with her kids pulled up to me as i was walking home to ask me if I was alright. I wanted to scream at her, "why would you ask me that now? Of course I'm not ok. Why did you sat there and watch?"

Its what they do. Pretend to be outraged about shit they will never do anything about.

90% of people in this topic are completely full of shit.

MrDrMan posted...

Its what they do. Pretend to be outraged about shit they will never do anything about.

90% of people in this topic are completely full of shit.

I bet you say that about 90% of all statistics.

MrDrMan posted...

You guys are the ones on your high horse trying to criticize someone for running from an active shooter.

This isnt Call of Duty. Literally everyone in this topic would do the same thing. I see right through this bullshit. Typical GameFAQS mob mentality.

Cops and Resource Officers of CE raise your hand.

What? No one? So no one would be in this situation?

Just making sure.

Cemith posted...

Cops and Resource Officers of CE raise your hand.

What? No one? So no one would be in this situation?

Just making sure.

That doesnt make it right to be a hypocrite.

Im not a cop either but I can see how someone could be in that scenario and freeze. Its not a hard scenario to imagine.

Leave it to keyboard warriors to tell someone else what they should have done though.

TonyKojima posted...

Ughh the virtue signaling here is gross.

This coming from a group of people trying to crucify a guy for being a coward is hilarious. You all are not brave. It is the easiest thing in the world to talk about what someone else should have done while you sit home comfortably.

ButteryMales posted...

What mental gymnastics makes you think something so stupid?

ButteryMales is calling people stupid. What a time to be alive.

MrDrMan posted...

That doesnt make it right to be a hypocrite.

You have no way of knowing which CE posters are or are not cops that don't outright tell you, so you spouting that "Oh they'd run to!" is meaningless because it isn't their fucking job to protect people from danger (You know, like a cop's job is). Hypocrisy means nothing if you've got nothing to compare it to. Of course people run for their lives from a shooter, it isn't their fucking job to protect others.

MrDrMan posted...

Im not a cop either but I can see how someone could be in that scenario and freeze. Its not a hard scenario to imagine.

If they were too scared to put their life on the line, they should have never been hired at the workplace. Do you think Cops waltz into their job interview thinking "Oh boy I can't wait to not be in danger! Being a cop is going to be so easy!"? Danger is implied, that's the whole fucking point. Children likely died because of his cowardice. He should absolutely be charged with accessory at the very least.

MrDrMan posted...

Leave it to keyboard warriors to tell someone else what they should have done though.

Like you're telling them how "anyone would react the same"? For someone that's not a fan of hypocrisy, you're not very steadfast in your views.

Cemith posted...

You have no way of knowing which CE posters are or are not cops that don't outright tell you, so you spouting that "Oh they'd run to!" is meaningless because it isn't their fucking job to protect people from danger (You know, like a cop's job is). Hypocrisy means nothing if you've got nothing to compare it to. Of course people run for their lives from a shooter, it isn't their fucking job to protect others.

It being your job or not is irrelevant. Profession does not matter in life or death scenarios. Preservation does.

If they were too scared to put their life on the line, they should have never been hired at the workplace. Do you think Cops waltz into their job interview thinking "Oh boy I can't wait to not be in danger! Being a cop is going to be so easy!"? Danger is implied, that's the whole fucking point. Children likely died because of his cowardice. He should absolutely be charged with accessory at the very least.

Youre right he should have a new line of work. Thats why hes probably been fired. That doesnt mean he deserves to be charged. Ridiculous.

Like you're telling them how "anyone would react the same"? For someone that's not a fan of hypocrisy, you're not very steadfast in your views.

That isnt hypocrisy. I dont hold anyone to any standard that I dont set for myself. You all should learn to do the same.

MrDrMan posted...

You know I really hope when any of you are in a bad position that people show a little more compassion than you all do.

Nothing is going to bring those kids back. There is no need for this at this point. Hatred solves nothing.

Ill have compassion for people who deserve it, thanks.

Now what about the entire uvalde PD?

FunWithAFryPan posted...

Ill have compassion for people who deserve it, thanks.

Do you my guy but Ill right here to tell you I see through your act.

"You shouldn't expect people to do the job that they signed up for because you, who didn't sign up for that job, wouldn't do it." That might be the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

Cemith posted...

it isn't their fucking job to protect people from danger (You know, like a cop's job is).

It isn't.

MrDrMan posted...

It being your job or not is irrelevant. Profession does not matter in life or death scenarios. Preservation does.

If protecting people is your job, and you run, you're an accessory, plain and simple.

MrDrMan posted...

Youre right he should have a new line of work. Thats why hes probably been fired. That doesnt mean he deserves to be charged. Ridiculous.

Kids likely died because of him. He lied to get into his profession (clearly) and had no intent of protecting the kids. I don't necessarily even blame him for wanting to run. Of course he did, but his entire point of being there was to protect people that couldn't protect themselves. He couldn't do it, he was trusted to do it, and he failed. People died.

MrDrMan posted...

That isnt hypocrisy. I dont hold anyone to any standard that I dont set for myself. You all should learn to do the same.

Admonishing people for what they "would have done" while defending someone that should have done that very same thing is hypocrisy. If you think us telling the cop he should have stayed and fought back isn't the same thing as you telling us that "everyone would have done the same" is asinine semantics.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Cemith posted...
it isn't their fucking job to protect people from danger (You know, like a cop's job is).

It isn't.

So Cops just show up at active shooter situations for shits and gigs? Or Domestic Abuse situations just for the fuck of it? It's just as much their job to stop crime is it is to prevent it.

justaguy3492 posted...

"You shouldn't expect people to do the job that they signed up for because you, who didn't sign up for that job, wouldn't do it." That might be the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

It is to you because youre the type to complain and never actually do anything.

Like I said before if you are that outraged go do something about it. Bunch of clowns saying someone else should have died a hero. Straight buffoonery.

MrDrMan posted...

It is to you because youre the type to complain and never actually do anything.

Like I said before if you are that outraged go do something about it. Bunch of clowns saying someone else should have died a hero. Straight buffoonery.

If they don't want to have to protect people they won't become a cop. What's so hard about this concept?

MrDrMan posted...

It is to you because youre the type to complain and never actually do anything.

Like I said before if you are that outraged go do something about it. Bunch of clowns saying someone else should have died a hero. Straight buffoonery.

I wouldn't clean up a strangers' shit, so I shouldn't expect janitors to keep a clean bathroom. Got it.

Cemith posted...

So Cops just show up at active shooter situations for shits and gigs? Or Domestic Abuse situations just for the fuck of it? It's just as much their job to stop crime is it is to prevent it.

The original purpose of police was to kick the homeless off rich people's land.
Catching murderers and rapists came later, and makes for good PR, but doesn't change what they are at the core.

And even if you don't want to get into that, I think it's clear that police aren't in schools to protect the children. They're there to keep them from leaving (and round them up if they find them outside) because they're effectively prison guards.

Coupled with the heavy-handed justice system and tendency for police to get away with brutality all the time, I've come to realize the US is actually quite a fascist country.

MrDrMan posted...

That doesnt make it right to be a hypocrite.

Im not a cop either but I can see how someone could be in that scenario and freeze. Its not a hard scenario to imagine.

Leave it to keyboard warriors to tell someone else what they should have done though.

I'm not a doctor but I'd hate for the surgeon to just nope out and leave mid-operation.

Dark_Arbron posted...

The original purpose of police was to kick the homeless off rich people's land.

Doctor's used to use cocaine as an over the counter stimulant.

Things change. (They also sometimes don't, a lot of cops still bully the homeless)

Dark_Arbron posted...

And even if you don't want to get into that, I think it's clear that police aren't in schools to protect the children. They're there to keep them from leaving (and round them up if they find them outside) because they're effectively prison guards.

Just for clarification, I'm not defending cops as an institution. I'm just stating one of the reasons they exist in today's day and age. I think resource officers is a fucking terrible idea but if there was a cop there he should have done something. Anything. I mostly agree with this sentiment. ^

justaguy3492 posted...

I wouldn't clean up a strangers' shit, so I shouldn't expect janitors to keep a clean bathroom. Got it.

You wouldnt say a janitor deserves to go to jail. You would say he deserves to be fired. If were gonna take the thats his job route then be consistent. In any other job when you make a mistake you are simply fired. Not crucified online.

Avirosb posted...

I'm not a doctor but I'd hate for the surgeon to just nope out and leave mid-operation.

In what scenario is a surgeons life at risk? Ill wait. Yall sure love false equivalency.

Cemith posted...

Just for clarification, I'm not defending cops as an institution. I'm just stating one of the reasons they exist in today's day and age. I think resource officers is a fucking terrible idea but if there was a cop there he should have done something. Anything. I mostly agree with this sentiment. ^

Is that what they call them?
What is "resource officer" even supposed to mean? XD

Depressing fact, the courts have ruled that police have zero obligation to protect the public.

https://tinyurl.com/mwxd78ne

The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.

Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

MrDrMan posted...

You wouldnt say a janitor deserves to go to jail. You would say he deserves to be fired. If were gonna take the thats his job route then be consistent. In any other job when you make a mistake you are simply fired. Not crucified online.

If a Janitor doesn't clean up shit no one dies.

MrDrMan posted...

In what scenario is a surgeons life at risk? Ill wait. Yall sure love false equivalency.

I mean an argument could be made for a surgeons safety for myriad reasons. But we're not arguing for Doctor's safety vs. Cops safety, you made that up. We're arguing that a cop that willingly leaves a dangerous situation is an accessory.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Is that what they call them?
What is "resource officer" even supposed to mean? XD

It's just a smokescreen for school sponsored bullying of teenagers, basically. Idiots think that cops being on a campus leads to better behaved teens (which, historically, is never the case)

Cemith posted...

If a Janitor doesn't clean up shit no one dies.

I mean an argument could be made for a surgeons safety for myriad reasons. But we're not arguing for Doctor's safety vs. Cops safety, you made that up. We're arguing that a cop that willingly leaves a dangerous situation is an accessory.

So you all actually think someone is obligated to throw their life away for you? Be real.

Cemith posted...

It's just a smokescreen for school sponsored bullying of teenagers, basically. Idiots think that cops being on a campus leads to better behaved teens (which, historically, is never the case)

How can you know this yet at the same time think the dude should throw his life away? They arent real cops.

MrDrMan posted...

They arent real cops.

Real cops have no duty to protect and serve the public either.

It's a mystery as to what their jobs should be.

ooger posted...

Depressing fact, the courts have ruled that police have zero obligation to protect the public.

https://tinyurl.com/mwxd78ne

MrDrMan posted...

So you all actually think someone is obligated to throw their life away for you? Be real.

I don't know where you're getting this "all" from as though I'm some hivemind. You're talking to me in specific. And to your question, no. I don't think someone is obligated to throw their life away for me.

I think this particular cop should have tried to make an effort to defend children instead of running. And because he didn't fulfill the responsibility of protecting the children he was in charge of protecting (as a fucking cop) (excuse me "resource officer") he should be charged as an accessory. You can spin it all you like to try and fit my mold into this nebulous "all" but it just looks silly.

MrDrMan posted...

How can you know this yet at the same time think the dude should throw his life away? They arent real cops.

Actually speaking of which, are they? Are they actually sworn police officers with all the powers, or are people misusing the term "cop" here the same way they do when they say "mall cop?"

(Which is a term I hate as someone who's held a security license before.)

MrDrMan posted...

How can you know this yet at the same time think the dude should throw his life away? They arent real cops.

They are in charge of protecting kids and "maintaining order". Just because they choose to piss on them instead doesn't change the purpose they're put there to fulfill.

MrDrMan posted...

Jesus Christ I hate cops but this is ridiculous. Dude is a fucking school cop. Hes one step up from Paul Blart. Get real.

The guy was a cop. Before being fired, after the shooting, he was a sheriff's deputy. One service sheriff departments provide is as school resource officers.

MrDrMan posted...

In what scenario is a surgeons life at risk? Ill wait. Yall sure love false equivalency.

It's about handling pressure in a life or death situation.

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They're assholes who don't understand personal space.
It doesn't help that my sister's cat is electric type.

Some freak who planned out a school shooting for months and probably is kitted out with tactical gear and a high powered rifle with nothing to lose is a ridiculous situation to expect someone to deal with all by themselves even if it's their job.

"He should have sacrificed himself, it'd be better to die a hero than live as a coward" is some Hollywood chest beating bullshit

I'm sure some people join the army thinking they can handle it and then fall to pieces in the first battle

This dude does not deserve punishment. Yes he crumbled under pressure. I'm sure plenty of others would even if they think they wouldn't. CE is legit full of the most out of touch with reality people anywhere on the internet

Only in this shithole first world country will you see a cuture where gusn are celebrated and where a person that will not be MAN ENOUGH to go face first into bullets to save strangers shoudl be convicted of anything.

Overall shitty situation, should be fired as he is obviously nto capable to do the job he signed upo for but it does not mean he should be convicted of a crime, the crime is wanting to go back to his family.