Current Events > gonna play ffxi again i think. what job should i main/sub

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75 cap server

anything but drg, bst, pup, smn, cor, rng or blu

Why do you enjoying torturing yourself

Xenogears15 posted...

Why do you enjoying torturing yourself

Seconded.

If you must have a serious answer, rdm or pld are some of the best and most desirable jobs at 75 for general purposes. Pld good for endgame but bad for merit, rdm for both. Both are solid at soloing. Brd if you want to be loved for everything but useless solo.

NIN/THF sounds good

FFXI is one of those weird games that I both love the design of, and think it is torture to play.

It was like, the last of the old school MMORPGs.

Dalthine posted...

Both are solid at soloing.

In my day the only solo-friendly job was BST. It's weird to learn that they'd try to restructure a game with such a rigid design around partying to be more solo friendly.

darkace77450 posted...

In my day the only solo-friendly job was BST. It's weird to learn that they'd try to restructure a game with such a rigid design around partying to be more solo friendly.

I mean, when I say "good at soloing" I mean you can take Decent Challenge to Even Match without significant risk of dying. Bst was still the only thing that could take Tough or higher, without significant resources or massive amounts of time. Rdm/nin could solo a lot of shit (like a guy famously solo'd Bune as one), but those fights would take hours and any single slip up would be death.

That was before dnc caught on though, so maybe that's different now, if the server has that job.

dnc ruined the game and no i am not playing on a server that has it
CoP is current endgame

Xenogears15 posted...

Why do you enjoying torturing yourself

you named your account after a game that couldnt even afford its second disc
ffxi is the greatest game ever made

Max out thief first. Established statics aren't going to want to touch you with a 10-ft pole if you're not geared out on a good class, but some will let newer players in if they have thief because the treasure hunter ability or whatever it's called is significant in Boss content for getting better drops. So it'll give you an opportunity to get in with groups doing some of the harder content and use that as a means of starting to gear up whatever class you end up really wanting to play.

s0nicfan posted...

Max out thief first. Established statics aren't going to want to touch you with a 10-ft pole if you're not geared out on a good class, but some will let newer players in if they have thief because the treasure hunter ability or whatever it's called is significant in Boss content for getting better drops. So it'll give you an opportunity to get in with groups doing some of the harder content and use that as a means of starting to gear up whatever class you end up really wanting to play.

there is literally one slot for a thf in endgame content

ArsGoetia posted...

there is literally one slot for a thf in endgame content

Thief is only there so you can get into endgame content to start gearing up with treasure hunter. It's the class you want to Max because it makes leveling up every other class easier in the long run.

Bastok for life

s0nicfan posted...

Thief is only there so you can get into endgame content to start gearing up with treasure hunter. It's the class you want to Max because it makes leveling up every other class easier in the long run.

but literally everyone does this so you have a slim chance of getting a slot, and if you do its only as a th whore

would be better to start off as something useful like bl/rd/wh/m

ArsGoetia posted...

but literally everyone does this so you have a slim chance of getting a slot, and if you do its only as a th whore

would be better to start off as something useful like bl/rd/wh/m

except now you have to gear up those classes without thief, which means no treasure hunter, which can translate to dozens to hundreds of extra hour of grinding for gear and relic materials in solo play, which is that many days/weeks/months added to the time between you hitting max level and you hitting the basic gear requirements to get into a static.

"literally everyone" does thief first for a good reason.

s0nicfan posted...

except now you have to gear up those classes without thief, which means no treasure hunter, which can translate to dozens to hundreds of extra hour of grinding for gear and relic materials in solo play, which is that many days/weeks/months added to the time between you hitting max level and you hitting the basic gear requirements to get into a static.

why would i play solo
its ffxi
and rdm/whm are infinitely more likely to get an xp pt than thf
and do people static kings and kirin at cop levels? when i did it we brought the whole LS
least geared thf was on spirits within duty (which sucks cock to unlock)

ArsGoetia posted...

why would i play solo
its ffxi
and rdm/whm are infinitely more likely to get an xp pt than thf
and do people static kings and kirin at cop levels? when i did it we brought the whole LS
least geared thf was on spirits within duty (which sucks cock to unlock)

Do whatever you want, then. I made my recommendation and stated why, but you clearly think that's a bad call.

s0nicfan posted...

Do whatever you want, then. I made my recommendation and stated why, but you clearly think that's a bad call.

thf dmg is booty
it's good as a sub til 35 or w/e I guess

75 cap?

sam all day everyday

ArsGoetia posted...

ffxi is the greatest game ever made

my man

ArsGoetia posted...

thf dmg is booty
it's good as a sub til 35 or w/e I guess

Again, it's all about treasure hunter. Here is the last thing I'll say on the matter:
https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter#March_2020_Developer_Comments

In some cases treasure hunter is the difference between a .1% drop rate and a 1.5% drop rate. If you want to go into endgame with those numbers, you do you, but I think you're making a huge long-term mistake pushing off thief because the damage isn't great.

s0nicfan posted...

Again, it's all about treasure hunter. Here is the last thing I'll say on the matter:
https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter#March_2020_Developer_Comments

In some cases treasure hunter is the difference between a .1% drop rate and a 1.5% drop rate. If you want to go into endgame with those numbers, you do you, but I think you're making a huge long-term mistake pushing off thief because the damage isn't great.

im not going into endgame without a thf tho?
like i said, every (18 person+ outside parties) alliance has a treasure hunter whore
loot isnt personal lol

Anybody who tries to use thf to get into an endgame group is going to be overlooked immediately for anyone with Thief Knife. And Thief Knife is very hard to get. If it's an established server and community, good luck. Thf still helps for making money though. It's good for that alone, but you don't necessarily need to take it to 75 for that, depending on what you want to farm.

Whm good for leveling if it's still CoP era, I suppose. As the 75 cap meta evolved, they started getting shunned for rdm even in leveling parties and could never get merit groups. It depends on how much this server adopted late 75 meta. Okay for endgame but not a significant need for them, unless there just plain weren't many around.

Blm great for endgame, but they started getting shunned for exp to the point they'd solo or do "Manaburn" sleep-nuke groups to level up. Again, depends on server meta.

On the dps side, sam was pretty well loved endgame and decent for merit/exp. They "turn on" kinda late for exp compared to other DPS jobs. Starting endgame builds typically want Hagun, Haubergeon +1, and Ochiudo's Kote though, which can get expensive.

Mnk and war were well-loved for exp groups but have a bit less effectiveness endgame. Nin easily best merit tank and became desirable for exp parties in general (even against imps of all things) because they heavily out-DPS pld, but not typically used endgame that I recall.