Current Events > What do people mean when they say FF16 doesn't have RPG elements?

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Like, are they just disappointed it's not turn-based, or that you can't customize your party members, or something?
Cuz everything else so far feels like a RPG to me.

It's probably lack of build customization is my guess. Because there's tons of equipment and like 8 different stats.

It certainly has the lightest amount of rpg stuff in a FF game. I'm like 5 or so hours in but there's no stuff like haste or poison or elemental weaknesses/resistances. The stats feel like window dressing. Even KH has that stuff

Idk if they're spoiled by Elden Ring or being hyperbolic or something but it definitely has RPG elements lol. Maybe not in the way of assigning stat points, but it's more ability build based.

People salty it ain't turn based just throwing everything at the wall to see if something sticks

Limited customization. Play something like strangers of paradise and you can see the difference.

I watched a review by ACG pretty cool youtube dude. It has Devil May Cry combat is my best guess. Also any popular long awaited game is going to get derided whether it is good or not these days.

BakonBitz posted...

It's probably lack of build customization is my guess. Because there's tons of equipment and like 8 different stats.

There is like three different stats, because most of the stats are derivatives of other ones. It is a pretty common illusion in some games to make them look more complex than they are. And they all have a miniscule effect on gameplay. All of the equipment is just straight up upgrades.

It isn't an RPG at all. Pretty much every spectacle action game has more build customization. There is nothing wrong with it not being an RPG except for the gaslighting people about it being one or not.

Strangers of Paradise absolutely has more customization, deeper itemization, and just more RPG mechanics in general in spite of having action combat. Its also an inferior game with worse story. But there is nothing wrong with saying that it is more of an RPG. RPG is just a genre, it isn't inherently good or bad and saying something isn't an RPG isn't an insult.

I don't really get the denial over this. Not everyone has some special grudge over the game. Its a game that advertised itself as one thing, but is actually a very different thing. People will be disappointed in that fact no matter how good it is.

I want my RPGs to have build customization. Skill trees, things like that.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

There is like three different stats, because most of the stats are derivatives of other ones. It is a pretty common illusion in some games to make them look more complex than they are. And they all have a miniscule effect on gameplay. All of the equipment is just straight up upgrades.

It isn't an RPG at all. Pretty much every spectacle action game has more build customization. There is nothing wrong with it not being an RPG except for the gaslighting people about it being one or not.

Strangers of Paradise absolutely has more customization, deeper itemization, and just more RPG mechanics in general in spite of having action combat. Its also an inferior game with worse story. But there is nothing wrong with saying that it is more of an RPG. RPG is just a genre, it isn't inherently good or bad and saying something isn't an RPG isn't an insult.

I don't really get the denial over this. Not everyone has some special grudge over the game. Its a game that advertised itself as one thing, but is actually a very different thing. People will be disappointed in that fact no matter how good it is.

To me it's less denial and more not knowing what people mean when they say it doesn't have RPG mechanics.

Blue_Inigo posted...

It certainly has the lightest amount of rpg stuff in a FF game. I'm like 5 or so hours in but there's no stuff like haste or poison or elemental weaknesses/resistances. The stats feel like window dressing. Even KH has that stuff

Yeah, I'm playing a bit more today now and starting to see stuff like this. Like no 2x damage on plant-type enemies using fire attacks, for example. Or even burning, or status effects in general.

Not that the gameplay is suddenly bad for not having those things, but it does seem like a weird thing to not include in a FF game.

And I guess, also unlike KH, you can't seem to modify your combos or change your finishers. It seemingly is the same sort of combat loop from start to finish.

ArtiRock posted...

Limited customization. Play something like strangers of paradise and you can see the difference.

I've played SoP. I had fun with it, but from what I remember the customization in that game was mainly just "just hit this button to auto-equip the best gear." You had a bunch of different jobs (which, come to think of it, is also something FF16 is lacking), which spiced up gameplay, but I always felt the equipment system in SoP was the worst part. Or at least, the weirdest part.