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boxoto
06/24/23 9:32:20 AM
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...or timed exclusive, otherwise:

Starfield is coming this September as an Xbox console exclusive, but there was a time when things almost played out very differently.

On the witness stand as part of today's trial between Microsoft/Activision Blizzard and the FTC, Xbox head Phil Spencer confirmed that there were discussions about Starfield potentially skipping Xbox consoles prior to Microsoft's acquisition of ZeniMax.

This part of Spencer's testimony was filled with questions about third-party exclusivity deals, where the Xbox boss also confirmed that Sony signed Square Enix to a deal to keep Final Fantasy 16 as a PlayStation 5 console exclusive.

Spencer said Xbox "needed to do a lot of work with a lot of partners given the competitive situation we had against the market leader, referring to Sony. He also said Xbox was worried about losing Starfield after seeing Bethesda titles like Ghostwire: Tokyo and Deathloop head exclusively to PlayStation. Spencer said Xbox had to secure content for its platform by way of the Bethesda acquisition to "remain viable in the business".

Back in 2020 when Microsoft announced its plans to buy Bethesda journalist Imran Khan first reported on Starfield's potential PlayStation exclusivity, writing "Sony had been negotiating timed exclusivity on Starfield as recently as a few months ago. Going to guess either those talks are done or the price suddenly went way, way up." Shortly after in early 2021, the reports started to surface that Starfield would head exclusively to Xbox Series X|S.

We're in the middle of day two of the trial that could determine the fate of Xbox's proposed $68.7 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard. To keep up with all the news, check out our recap of day one and what to expect the rest of the way.

https://www.ign.com/articles/phil-spencer-confirms-starfield-was-potentially-going-to-skip-xbox-prior-to-zenimax-acquisition

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XboxSeriesX
06/24/23 9:39:49 AM
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Fuck Sony.

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PlayStation
06/24/23 9:39:49 AM
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Fuck Microsoft.

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Smackems
06/24/23 9:45:41 AM
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Fuck modern egypt

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Dark_twisted
06/24/23 9:47:54 AM
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PlayStation posted...
Fuck Microsoft.


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Oh_Boy_
06/24/23 9:48:57 AM
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Sony should stop crying, whole ordeal is because when games move to primarily Netflix style service with hard copies and actual consoles secondary and eventually gone, Sony will be far behind since MS has been had the foundation laid. They dont care about any single game title or competing with Xbox consoles.

They just want to hold back everyone ahead of them in the next phase of gaming. Eventually youll just log into the game pass on your tv and the console makers will sell a cheap set top box if anything instead of an actual console.

MS already has the cloud ready for it and if they get enough software theyll hold an advantage in that type of service. Zenimax pretty much seals it anyway for TES and Fallout going forward and thats all because Sony kept trying to buy advantage. Well Sony is worth $111B and earns ~$10B yearly while MS is worth $2.27 Trilllion and earned $142B most recently. Its clear who wins the pay to win game.
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Irony
06/24/23 9:49:00 AM
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Basically more ammo for the FTC

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boxoto
06/24/23 9:51:00 AM
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as a PlayStation-only owner, it seems fair, I guess.

like, if it wasn't for Sony trying to get all of these games off of the Xbox, even if it was for just a year, then Starfield could have been available for both the PS5 & XS.

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Oh_Boy_
06/24/23 9:55:32 AM
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boxoto posted...
as a PlayStation-only owner, it seems fair, I guess.

like, if it wasn't for Sony trying to get all of these games off of the Xbox, even if it was for just a year, then Starfield could have been available for both the PS5 & XS.


Yup. And all of Sonys third party deals explicitly forbid those games coming to Xbox and Gamepass either for a year or ever in some cases. Cant cry foul when MS opens their wallet. And Bethesda capitulated to PS exclusive with two recent games already so Starfield was definitely next.
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Sajo
06/24/23 9:57:57 AM
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If people wanted to game on Xbox though they would have sold more units.

As a physical collector, I don't give a fuck about Gamepass.

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Jagr_68
06/24/23 9:59:05 AM
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budget indie developer Microsoft still playing the underdog card again


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Oh_Boy_
06/24/23 10:01:59 AM
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Sajo posted...
If people wanted to game on Xbox though they would have sold more units.

As a physical collector, I don't give a fuck about Gamepass.
No one cares what you want though not even Sony. Sony has bought exclusives this way since the years leading up to the PS4, not much choice n the market when Nintendo is not at parity and the only competitor on the same scale of performance is being bought out of every major game.

Anyway, Sonys fans are just an extension of Jim Ryans whiny ass. Cant wait to play Starfield. Gonna sell my PS5 this weekend.
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itachi15243
06/24/23 10:06:10 AM
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Yeah man, fuck Sony. They keep buying up all these timed 3rd party exclusives, which Microsoft has NEVER done obviously.

Which makes it even more fair when Microsoft buys up whole, major companies to get plenty of exclusives. Sony started the fight so Microsoft finished it!

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s0nicfan
06/24/23 10:11:44 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
Yeah man, fuck Sony. They keep buying up all these timed 3rd party exclusives, which Microsoft has NEVER done obviously.

Which makes it even more fair when Microsoft buys up whole, major companies to get plenty of exclusives. Sony started the fight so Microsoft finished it!

Sony has been buying companies, including game companies, since the 80s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Sony
As of March 2010, Sony has made 92 acquisitions while taking stakes at 56 companies. The company has 83 divestitures since 1983.

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itachi15243
06/24/23 10:21:10 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Sony has been buying companies, including game companies, since the 80s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Sony

And so has Microsoft

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft

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superbot400
06/24/23 10:22:32 AM
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Irony posted...
Basically more ammo for the FTC
The courts are full of Replubcians bro business lackeies. FTC lost quite a few lawsuits, there is no 100# chance that FTC will win.

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s0nicfan
06/24/23 10:25:25 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
And so has Microsoft

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft

Cool, then stop talking about Microsoft buying "whole, major companies" like it's not standard business.

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itachi15243
06/24/23 10:30:12 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Cool, then stop talking about Microsoft buying "whole, major companies" like it's not standard business.

I'm not saying it's not

However, when you're making the biggest acquisition in gaming by over 50 billion dollars, some might see that as unfair.

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s0nicfan
06/24/23 10:31:10 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
I'm not saying it's not

However, when you're making the biggest acquisition in gaming by over 50 billion dollars, some might see that as unfair.

Sure, but when the people saying it's unfair in court are the ones that have a long history of buying companies to do exactly what Microsoft is trying to do, the argument rings hollow.

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Doom_Art
06/24/23 10:35:57 AM
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Seeing people go to bat for MS in this whole ordeal is mindblowing lol

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Quartermuncher
06/24/23 10:37:35 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Sure, but when the people saying it's unfair in court are the ones that have a long history of buying companies to do exactly what Microsoft is trying to do, the argument rings hollow.

There's a thing called "magnitude" that differs between this and that.

Anyways, Fuck MS. Maybe they should put thier efforts into making a console that has a better library than the PS Vita before whining and complaining to the government that they absolutely cannot compete unless they have the biggest toys on the market.

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Crimsoness
06/24/23 10:43:01 AM
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After MS' mishandling of Redfall I can't trust them anymore

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Oh_Boy_
06/24/23 11:34:54 AM
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It doesn't even matter if they don't get Activision this time around. Their top execs hate Sony and after all this fuss is done if they don't get the sale Activision can just stop putting games on PS themselves when contracts end. Both Activision's EVP of Corporate Affairs and Bobby Kotick himself have been publicly shitting on Sony for the past year and mocking them on Twitter too. It's all about kneecapping Microsoft as much as possible, Sony already knows they lost Activision anyway. Starfield is going to be extra enjoyable knowing Ponies won't be playing it, ditto with several big IP's going forward.
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FortuneCookie
06/24/23 11:39:52 AM
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I'd be mad if Capcom or Konami became console-exclusive. Major companies buying up smaller companies has been a thing since before video games. It's a shame for Sony fans who wanted this game, but I can't say that Microsoft is doing something unheard of.
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boomgetchopped3
06/24/23 11:41:14 AM
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I dont mind timed exclusives because the developer still stays autonomous and eventually everyone gets to play the game. What MS is doing is basically killing the industry.
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itcheyness
06/24/23 11:43:37 AM
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Irony posted...
Basically more ammo for the FTC
I'm not sure if the FTC's case is going to go that well, on account of the judge basically telling them (translated from courtroom speak) to shut the fuck up during their questioning of Phil Spencer (yesterday I think) and cutting their questioning short.

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Axiom
06/24/23 11:55:35 AM
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Didnt they also try to use the whole "xbox is a failure therefore it cant be a threat" argument. Lol ms wtf you doin
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noisetank
06/24/23 11:59:22 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Seeing people go to bat for MS in this whole ordeal is mindblowing lol

seeing people go to bat for Sony is as mindblowing lol

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PiOverlord
06/24/23 12:00:01 PM
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Let's go Microsoft!

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voldothegr8
06/24/23 12:02:31 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Seeing people go to bat for MS in this whole ordeal is mindblowing lol
Seeing Sony cry like a bitch when their game is turned against them is soul food

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Oh_Boy_
06/24/23 2:41:34 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
I'd be mad if Capcom or Konami became console-exclusive. Major companies buying up smaller companies has been a thing since before video games. It's a shame for Sony fans who wanted this game, but I can't say that Microsoft is doing something unheard of.
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hockeybub89
06/24/23 2:46:13 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Seeing Sony cry like a bitch when their game is turned against them is soul food
You mean Microsoft's same game? Get off this console wars shit. There are no good guys, just money.

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ViewtifulGrave
06/24/23 3:34:23 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Yeah man, fuck Sony. They keep buying up all these timed 3rd party exclusives, which Microsoft has NEVER done obviously.
This is a straight up lie.

Xbox had timed exclusive GTA4 DLC.

I believe they had some CoD stuff, but not 100% sure.

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masterpug53
06/24/23 3:38:49 PM
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Anyone with basic pattern-recognition skills should have realized over the past decade that buying Bethesda open-world games on a Sony console is a bad idea. Having one be a Sony exclusive would've been downright hilarious.

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