Current Events > Haligtree ****ing sucks.

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Is that the gimmick? Just make an area where it's too easy to fall off and you die constantly?

I am really enjoying Elden Ring. It's fun to play a game that actually reminds me of what I hoped Zelda would be when I was a kid. And the massive map pretty amazing the way there's just constantly more.

But this is just garbage game design. I know people who like Souls games tend to act like masochistic abuse victims, where they call things like Blight Town genius, but this isn't fun at all. Like, the game deliberately has poor platforming. Making an entire level a balancing act is stupid and makes me feel like they ran out of ideas.

I heard the Dark Souls 2 guy got to make a whole bunch of that game.

Traversing the tree itself at the beginning isn't even the worst part.

Yes, they are out of ideas.

Also, try not locking on and using a claw grip so you can move freely while attacking and rotating the camera

I never played 2 because a bunch of people complained it was the worst one. It's actually one of the only newer Fromsoft games I haven't beaten.

I'm late to ER, but it's definitely an awesome game. Crap like this where you can only fight on a narrow log and you have to dodge projectiles while on one doesn't impress me though.

the actual level geometry of the haligtree is fine and even great, because once you have an understanding of the level itself it's really easy to get to anywhere you want in it.

it's fun to invade there for that reason. really easy to blast people off of edges and stuff like that.

the problem i have with it is the enemy damage scaling, which makes the dumbass zombie hollow dudes at the start do >1100 HP damage over the course of their charge against moderate armor. they're the same enemy you fought at the start of the game, just inflated.

He doesn't know!

Just wait until he gets to the Erdtree Avatars that snipe you from across the map, the Revenant corridor, the rot lake 3.0.

Wait, you must be pretty early in the Haligtree because you're not even complaining about the fat fuck envoy that snipes you from the next postal code over.

So basically, just don't even do this area? It's just a punishment zone?

It's entirely optional so if you're not feeling it don't do it.

I didn't really mind it for the most part.

the design of it is fine, but the way the enemies scale up from the mountaintops of giants onwards is absolutely fucked

everything has too much health and hits way too hard

WarfireX posted...

So basically, just don't even do this area? It's just a punishment zone?

There are certain areas in every Souls game that try to teach you discretion over valor. Poison Swamp in Demons Souls, Anor Londo archers in Dark Souls, etc. This is your time to practice discretion. Run through the trees , avoid the enemies and get to the next checkpoint asap.

Yeah that area is the one time where if somebody complains about artificial difficulty in Souls games, I'll agree with them

The game design there was to just shove an asston of really hard enemies in one small area. The lone Erdtree avatar on the wall is the easy fight which says a lot

I used the power lving trick so I was maybe around lv120 for this zone and didn't have much trouble.

I eventually just started bolting past the enemies. I had more problems with the enemies than I did Malenia.

It sucks, but at least you can run past most of it.

It's the final boss there that is truly abhorrent

Hayame_Zero posted...

I eventually just started bolting past the enemies. I had more problems with the enemies than I did Malenia.

That is absolutely insane.

Elden Ring has been removed from my game console and returned to its box. I am going to play a fun game instead.

ProfessorKukui posted...

damn, gamers let you down. 2 is peak dark souls.

I feel like these games tend to overstay their welcome with me, and I also wasn't really in the mood for a sequel until Bloodborne came out, which got me interested enough to play DS3, so it just had bad timing.

I only picked this up now because of what a disappointment TotK is, and I had to play something good to wash the bad taste out of my brain.

Last year when ER came out I bought Sekiro instead which is IMO From's best game.

I really didn't have that bad of a time with Haligtree

it my fave area of the game cuz it's the only place where the fodder enemies still feel kind of tough after beating the game the first time around.

WarfireX posted...

Elden Ring has been removed from my game console and returned to its box. I am going to play a fun game instead.

Skill issue.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Skill issue.

If you say so. I'm good at enough things in life that my pride doesn't lie in my video game abilities. It's also weird cause you guys always say Sekiro is the hardest From game and I had no issues with that one.

After beating the game I looked up discourse on it and found out that the Haligtree and Ephraim or hwatever the city is called are extremely hated areas and I was kind of confused. Yes, they're hard, but end-game content should be hard and it never struck me as unreasonably so, except maybe the avatar with 10 or so strong units and ballistas flanking him. The boss is cancer, but the vitrol for the areas themselves doesn't strike me as deserved.

They're nowhere near as obnoxious as Frigid Outskirts or a number of areas of Dark Souls 3.

2 is great wtf and probably the easiest souls game imo

WarfireX posted...

If you say so. I'm good at enough things in life that my pride doesn't lie in my video game abilities. It's also weird cause you guys always say Sekiro is the hardest From game and I had no issues with that one.

Sekiro is better balanced.
There be so much bullshit in Elden Ring.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Traversing the tree itself at the beginning isn't even the worst part.

It is if you're trying to get to the area being camped on by that cluster bomb sniper Envoy jerk

BurmesePenguin posted...

After beating the game I looked up discourse on it and found out that the Haligtree and Ephraim or hwatever the city is called are extremely hated areas and I was kind of confused. Yes, they're hard, but end-game content should be hard and it never struck me as unreasonably so, except maybe the avatar with 10 or so strong units and ballistas flanking him. The boss is cancer, but the vitrol for the areas themselves doesn't strike me as deserved.

They're nowhere near as obnoxious as Frigid Outskirts or a number of areas of Dark Souls 3.

I actually did manage to make my way to the lower kingdom area where you get sucker punched by Ballista's again.

I got that far by running past everything and killing Loretta. I'm sorry, but that's a sign of bad level design, when you'd rather circumvent the gameplay and obstacles than put up with frustrating and cheap deaths, mostly based around pitfalls and deliberately bad platforming mechanics.

I just realized the level was explicitly designed to not be enjoyable. I bought Street Fighter 6, I don't have to put up with this. It was a good game, but if you're out of ideas, end things with some dignity. Don't spread yourself thin. The game insists upon itself.

WarfireX posted...

If you say so. I'm good at enough things in life that my pride doesn't lie in my video game abilities. It's also weird cause you guys always say Sekiro is the hardest From game and I had no issues with that one.

I feel Sekiro requires a different skill than any other Fromsoft game. Hate to be basic about it but it taps more into the rhythm gamer than the...idk, masochistic type the other soulsborne games specialize in.

Null_Gain posted...

It is if you're trying to get to the area being camped on by that cluster bomb sniper Envoy jerk

That was definitely the worst part of it. The rest of the area was tolerable.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Sekiro is better.

I agree, but this is all you needed to say.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

There be so much bullshit in Elden Ring.

A lot of bullshit is available to the player to make everything trivial

Barricade and scarlet rot breath make for an easy no death run

WarfireX posted...

I got that far by running past everything and killing Loretta. I'm sorry, but that's a sign of bad level design, when you'd rather circumvent the gameplay and obstacles than put up with frustrating and cheap deaths, mostly based around pitfalls and deliberately bad platforming mechanics.

I mean it's not bad level design because I didn't have to do any of that.

Blue_Dream87 posted...

I feel Sekiro requires a different skill than any other Fromsoft game. Hate to be basic about it but it taps more into the rhythm gamer than the...idk, masochistic type the other soulsborne games specialize in.

I mean, if you're going to out and out call it masochism then we're acknowledging that the level design isn't enjoyable by a sane person.

BurmesePenguin posted...

I mean it's not bad level design because I didn't have to do any of that.

Damn dude, you must be packing 12 inches.

WarfireX posted...

Is that the gimmick? Just make an area where it's too easy to fall off and you die constantly?

I am really enjoying Elden Ring. It's fun to play a game that actually reminds me of what I hoped Zelda would be when I was a kid. And the massive map pretty amazing the way there's just constantly more.

But this is just garbage game design. I know people who like Souls games tend to act like masochistic abuse victims, where they call things like Blight Town genius, but this isn't fun at all. Like, the game deliberately has poor platforming. Making an entire level a balancing act is stupid and makes me feel like they ran out of ideas.

In fairness, Blighttown was sick as fuck for it's time. Elden Ring is the only other game that did their world design the same kind of way. Yeah the framerate was shit but having one area but a cornerstone of the games lore, haunting atmosphere, and a ramp up in challenge all while connecting to like 4 different places at once was sick as fuck.

Shame they ruined it with the toxic blowgun nerds but eh.

Cemith posted...

In fairness, Blighttown was sick as fuck for it's time. Elden Ring is the only other game that did their world design the same kind of way. Yeah the framerate was shit but having one area but a cornerstone of the games lore, haunting atmosphere, and a ramp up in challenge all while connecting to like 4 different places at once was sick as fuck.

Shame they ruined it with the toxic blowgun nerds but eh.

I mostly just say Blight Town as an example because of reputation. IMO it's not that bad. I never felt like I'm better off just sprinting past everything while playing it.

WarfireX posted...

I mostly just say Blight Town as an example because of reputation. IMO it's not that bad. I never felt like I'm better off just sprinting past everything while playing it.

Maybe I've just got too much time in souls games overall but I don't stop to explore basically ever anymore. I get what I need in each area and just haul ass out of there. That's why 3's my favorite of the three. Most conducive to just holding W.