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BlackOmnimon
06/06/23 9:40:01 PM
#1:


How many of these political positions do you agree with?










Political Positions
  • Workplaces should be at least partially (50%) owned collectively by the workers, and workers should elect their managers, and so on. This would be enforced in all workplaces above certain size.
  • High Incomes will be taxed, even going as far as a 100% tax rate for above certain income.
  • Free and universal access to healthcare will be guaranteed, not just for citizens but for everyone in the country, because we are all humans and it is the right thing to do.
  • The democratic State shall make the construction of public housing a priority, and this public housing will be leased to those who need it for free. The rental of flats or residences shall be made illegal, with all flats or residences requiring to be lived in by the owner or leasee, and all empty and unused flats or residences subject to socialization by the People through the democratic State.
  • The political organization of the country will go through a radical transformation in order to eliminate harmful practices. An independent comission will be in charge of redrawing electoral districts. A new chamber of Congress will house representatives from the Unions of the Nation, States should be split or merged as necessary to allow for a more equitative upper-house or Senate, and Congress as a whole, as elected representatives of the people, would be empowered to be above the Supreme Court and President. Under this scheme, members of the Supreme Court will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and have term limits, and the President likewise will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and be able to be removed through a simple majority vote of no-confidence.
  • No tolerance for the intolerant. Those who engage in hate speech, support hate or hateful ideologies, and discriminate other people on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual identity, or anything else, will be deplatformed and required to go through mandatory reeducation. Political parties or organizations which spouse such views will be banned outright.
  • All groups who have been historically victimized, opressed, or discriminated against will receive restitution or reparation, which might take many forms. This includes decolonization, in which indigenous groups who were stripped of their land by the government in the past will have the option to have those lands restored and be offered protection and autonomous self-governance.
  • The state will be completely separated from religion, and in fact, the state will effectively act as if it itself was atheist, while respecting the personal and private religion of individuals.
  • Personal gun ownership will be curtailed, and only 'well regulated militias' should be allowed to have guns. However, many more organizations, such as Unions, will be able to employ 'well regulated militias'. These militias will also be required to have horizontal structures as detailed in the first point.


Well, CE?

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ellis123
06/06/23 9:42:17 PM
#2:


BlackOmnimon posted...
Personal gun ownership will be curtailed, and only 'well regulated militias' should be allowed to have guns. However, many more organizations, such as Unions, will be able to employ 'well regulated militias'. These militias will also be required to have horizontal structures as detailed in the first point.
I like how you put this with a bunch of leftist stuff as if it was the leftist position.

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Glob
06/06/23 9:47:32 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
Political Positions
* Workplaces should be at least partially owned collectively by the workers, and workers should elect their managers, and so on. This would be enforced in all workplaces above certain size.
* High Incomes will be taxed, even going as far as a 100% tax rate for above certain income.
* Free and universal access to healthcare will be guaranteed, not just for citizens but for everyone in the country, because we are all humans and it is the right thing to do.
* The democratic State shall make the construction of public housing a priority, and this public housing will be leased to those who need it for free. The rental of flats or residences shall be made illegal, with all flats or residences requiring to be lived in by the owner or leasee, and all empty and unused flats or residences subject to socialization by the People through the democratic State.
* The political organization of the country will go through a radical transformation in order to eliminate harmful practices. An independent comission will be in charge of redrawing electoral districts. A new chamber of Congress will house representatives from the Unions of the Nation, States should be split or merged as necessary to allow for a more equitative upper-house or Senate, and Congress as a whole, as elected representatives of the people, would be empowered to be above the Supreme Court and President. Under this scheme, members of the Supreme Court will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and have term limits, and the President likewise will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and be able to be removed through a simple majority vote of no-confidence.
* No tolerance for the intolerant. Those who engage in hate speech, support hate or hateful ideologies, and discriminate other people on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual identity, or anything else, will be deplatformed and required to go through mandatory reeducation. Political parties or organizations which spouse such views will be banned outright.
* All groups who have been historically victimized, opressed, or discriminated against will receive restitution or reparation, which might take many forms. This includes decolonization, in which indigenous groups who were stripped of their land by the government in the past will have the option to have those lands restored and be offered protection and autonomous self-governance.
* The state will be completely separated from religion, and in fact, the state will effectively act as if it itself was atheist, while respecting the personal and private religion of individuals.
* Personal gun ownership will be curtailed, and only 'well regulated militias' should be allowed to have guns. However, many more organizations, such as Unions, will be able to employ 'well regulated militias'. These militias will also be required to have horizontal structures as detailed in the first point.

Well, CE?

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BlackOmnimon
06/06/23 9:50:34 PM
#4:


ellis123 posted...
I like how you put this with a bunch of leftist stuff as if it was the leftist position.


I would probably change it to something like "Police forces shall be abolished and replaced with well-regulated people's militias, whose members, who will NOT be full-time careerists but part-timer servicemen selected through draft, will be carefully vetted. Only members of people's militias shall be allowed to keep firearms."

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MorbidFaithless
06/06/23 9:51:41 PM
#5:


7/10

Am I a communism

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BloodMoon7
06/06/23 9:52:03 PM
#6:


I only agree with free healthcare

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Dark_Arbron
06/06/23 9:53:23 PM
#7:


High taxes for the needlessly rich for sure, but 100%?

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PowerfulSageIRL
06/06/23 9:55:39 PM
#8:


all except the last one
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BlackOmnimon
06/06/23 9:55:47 PM
#9:


Dark_Arbron posted...
High taxes for the needlessly rich for sure, but 100%?

For example if you earn above, IDK, 200k or something, everything above those 200k would be taxed 100%. But you still have the bulk of those 200k.

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Dark_Arbron
06/06/23 9:56:17 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
For example if you earn above, IDK, 200k or something, everything above those 200k would be taxed 100%. But you still have the bulk of those 200k.

Ah, makes more sense.

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Dark_Arbron
06/06/23 9:57:23 PM
#11:


BloodMoon7 posted...
I only agree with free healthcare

Whats wrong with available housing and separation of church/state? Id have thought those would be just as easy to get behind.

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BlackOmnimon
06/06/23 11:12:48 PM
#12:


yay

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Jackal4
06/06/23 11:26:26 PM
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I am opposed to all 9 of those. If you support all 9 of them, then you are what I consider to be a liberal extremist, and you should probably be in jail or at least on a watch list.

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ThePrinceFish
06/06/23 11:33:37 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/4/AAZPfaAAEi1W.jpg

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Bass
06/06/23 11:34:04 PM
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Jackal4 posted...
I am opposed to all 9 of those. If you support all 9 of them, then you are what I consider to be a liberal extremist, and you should probably be in jail or at least on a watch list.
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Kai_Laguna
06/06/23 11:34:42 PM
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6/9. I'm partially ok with the first one except the being able to choose their own manager. I know if it were up to me I'd vote for the person most likely to let me get away with being lazy and I'm willing to bet more people are at least adjacent to that opinion and that's not really good for the bottom line of the business.
I'm also against the anti free speech one, I know people have some really abhorrent opinions, I'm not white, poor, and bisexual, I've been directly targeted by some of that shit. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to say it.
I'm partially against the reparations one as well just mainly do to how you'd figure out the native american part, those tribes didn't own land in the traditional sense so returning it to them is going to be much more difficult then say, giving mometary reparations to those descended from slaves(though that in it's own right is going to be hard to determine).
And the anti 2a one. Keep your hands of muh guns.

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Bass
06/06/23 11:39:22 PM
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Kai_Laguna posted...
6/9. I'm partially ok with the first one except the being able to choose their own manager. I know if it were up to me I'd vote for the person most likely to let me get away with being lazy and I'm willing to bet more people are at least adjacent to that opinion and that's not really good for the bottom line of the business.
You would actually have an ownership stake in the business, though, so the workers would have incentive to actually do good work. If the business does better you would actually do better and recieve more money.

Sure, I'm sure some people would be lazy, but this would better motivate people than the current shitty system where owners get the majority of the profit, and the workers get peanuts.

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deathpainter
06/06/23 11:39:28 PM
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I feel like alot of these start off sounding great and then go too far by the end of their description. Even still, I agree with 4 or 5 of them.

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ForsakenHermit
06/06/23 11:49:21 PM
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Agree with health care and housing. The rest aren't completely awful but overshoot the mark.

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Kai_Laguna
06/06/23 11:50:27 PM
#20:


Bass posted...
You would actually have an ownership stake in the business, though, so the workers would have incentive to actually do good work. If the business does better you would actually do better and recieve more money.

Sure, I'm sure some people would be lazy, but this would better motivate people than the current shitty system where owners get the majority of the profit, and the workers get peanuts.
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itachi15243
06/06/23 11:55:51 PM
#21:


BlackOmnimon posted...
through mandatory reeducation

Uhh

As much as I hate bigots, re-education camps and the like aren't much better...

I'd say 5, maybe 6 though.

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KStateKing17
06/07/23 12:01:33 AM
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deathpainter posted...
I feel like alot of these start off sounding great and then go too far by the end of their description. Even still, I agree with 4 or 5 of them.
I felt the same way. I could cosign about 2 or 3 of these.

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Trumble
06/07/23 12:29:53 AM
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The seperation of church and state is the only one I 100% agree with, although a lot of the others are cases of "I support the general idea, just not how far this specific version goes".

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stage4saiyan
06/07/23 12:35:01 AM
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Just one. This part
required to go through mandatory reeducation
is legitimately creepy.

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Tyranthraxus
06/07/23 12:50:11 AM
#25:


I agree with these 4:

BlackOmnimon posted...
* High Incomes will be taxed, even going as far as a 100% tax rate for above certain income.
* Free and universal access to healthcare will be guaranteed, not just for citizens but for everyone in the country, because we are all humans and it is the right thing to do
* All groups who have been historically victimized, opressed, or discriminated against will receive restitution or reparation, which might take many forms. This includes decolonization, in which indigenous groups who were stripped of their land by the government in the past will have the option to have those lands restored and be offered protection and autonomous self-governance.
* The state will be completely separated from religion, and in fact, the state will effectively act as if it itself was atheist, while respecting the personal and private religion of individuals.

Here's my issue with the others:

BlackOmnimon posted...
Workplaces should be at least partially (50%) owned collectively by the workers, and workers should elect their managers, and so on. This would be enforced in all workplaces above certain size.

This is going to turn employment into a fuckin popularity contest. Unions are the solution to shitty employers, not turning businesses into democracies.

BlackOmnimon posted...
The democratic State shall make the construction of public housing a priority, and this public housing will be leased to those who need it for free. The rental of flats or residences shall be made illegal, with all flats or residences requiring to be lived in by the owner or leasee, and all empty and unused flats or residences subject to socialization by the People through the democratic State.

Rental shouldn't be blanket illegal. There's value in renting. If someone only intends to live in an area temporarily, why should they be made to purchase housing? Free options provided by the government may either not be satisfactory or can be materialized in a timely fashion. If you want to penalize land monopolies, the best way to do that is through high property taxing of owned homes not counting the primary residence.

The political organization of the country will go through a radical transformation in order to eliminate harmful practices. An independent comission will be in charge of redrawing electoral districts. A new chamber of Congress will house representatives from the Unions of the Nation, States should be split or merged as necessary to allow for a more equitative upper-house or Senate, and Congress as a whole, as elected representatives of the people, would be empowered to be above the Supreme Court and President. Under this scheme, members of the Supreme Court will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and have term limits, and the President likewise will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and be able to be removed through a simple majority vote of no-confidence.

This sound like a fucking bureaucratic nightmare I don't even want to think about how you'd begin to make this happen.

No tolerance for the intolerant. Those who engage in hate speech, support hate or hateful ideologies, and discriminate other people on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual identity, or anything else, will be deplatformed and required to go through mandatory reeducation. Political parties or organizations which spouse such views will be banned outright.

What the literal fuck @ the bold. Are we just going to openly copy the Uyghur camps from China?

BlackOmnimon posted...
Personal gun ownership will be curtailed, and only 'well regulated militias' should be allowed to have guns. However, many more organizations, such as Unions, will be able to employ 'well regulated militias'. These militias will also be required to have horizontal structures as detailed in the first point.

Militias shouldn't exist. This isn't the 18th century and there is no frontier anymore.

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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 1:22:26 AM
#26:


Bass posted...
current shitty system where owners get the majority of the profit, and the workers get peanuts.

The problem is that so many people think this is a good thing and the way it should be.

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ironman2009
06/07/23 1:28:00 AM
#27:


The religion one.

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superben
06/07/23 1:33:07 AM
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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 1:34:06 AM
#29:


Mostly good ideas but as said above the details are a bit questionable at times.

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BurmesePenguin
06/07/23 1:50:36 AM
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I'm not a communist so per automation I disagree with nearly all of this. Number 8 is the only one I agree with, though I could get aboard with 3 if it's expressed in a less dumb teenage communist and extremist way.

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FL81
06/07/23 2:18:17 AM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
The state will be completely separated from religion, and in fact, the state will effectively act as if it itself was atheist, while respecting the personal and private religion of individuals.
only this one

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FunWithAFryPan
06/07/23 2:21:54 AM
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deathpainter posted...
I feel like alot of these start off sounding great and then go too far by the end of their description. Even still, I agree with 4 or 5 of them.
Yeah, its kinda weird. I agree with 90% of 100% of these.

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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 2:35:39 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
I'm not a communist so per automation I disagree with nearly all of this. Number 8 is the only one I agree with, though I could get aboard with 3 if it's expressed in a less dumb teenage communist and extremist way.

Pictured: The problem with misinformation and Cold War propaganda.

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BloodMoon7
06/07/23 2:56:40 AM
#34:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Whats wrong with available housing and separation of church/state? Id have thought those would be just as easy to get behind.
I dunno what that means. All I know is healthcare is too expensive and that's not very based.

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Kiryun
06/07/23 4:30:28 AM
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  • Not entirely sure what this entails, sounds problematic and confusing.
  • Incomes sure. No wealth taxes.
  • Legal citizens only with a state issued health card system to prove it. Health cards will need to be up to date similar to Canada's with photo ID
  • Government should have a taxpayer program to build lower cost houses without needing to worry about red tape. Stay out of it beyond that.
  • That sounds like an unnecessary pain in the ass.
  • Fuck no
  • No.
  • Probably the only thing in this list I agree with. Seems too easy to fuck up though.
  • No.
I don't agree with any single point of it. One or two valid ideas mixed in but overall just a mess.

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MrResetti
06/07/23 4:54:20 AM
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This is poorly thought out
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Karovorak
06/07/23 5:01:34 AM
#37:


The religion one 100%

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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 5:40:58 AM
#38:


Kiryun posted...
* Legal citizens only with a state issued health card system to prove it. Health cards will need to be up to date similar to Canada's with photo ID

On this note, do you support an easier pathway to undocumented migrants obtaining citizenship? That would fix all the problems associated with their undocumented status.

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NeonTentacles
06/07/23 5:42:37 AM
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Only read the 1st one but it sounds like some commie shit lol

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tankboy
06/07/23 5:48:00 AM
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Those who agree with more than 3-4 of these points are doomed to a purity spiral and will never be able to organize without infighting long enough to accomplish any of them.
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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 5:57:18 AM
#41:


NeonTentacles posted...
Only read the 1st one but it sounds like some commie shit lol

Dark_Arbron posted...
Pictured: The problem with misinformation and Cold War propaganda.


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BurmesePenguin
06/07/23 6:10:03 AM
#42:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Pictured: The problem with misinformation and Cold War propaganda.
Nah

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Rai_Jin
06/07/23 6:12:37 AM
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5 , somehow the condemning hate speech one is too radical. and would be used to ban democrats when gop is in charge.

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NeonTentacles
06/07/23 6:26:14 AM
#44:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Pictured: The problem with misinformation and Cold War propaganda.
Naaaah, we were definitely on the right side of that war lol

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ai123
06/07/23 6:38:15 AM
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Healthcare for everyone
Public housing
Political reform
Separation of church and state

Some of the others have elements I agree with (gun control), but then veer off in a direction I don't like (independent militia).

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IceCreamOnStero
06/07/23 6:55:00 AM
#46:


BlackOmnimon posted...
Political Positions
* Workplaces should be at least partially (50%) owned collectively by the workers, and workers should elect their managers, and so on. This would be enforced in all workplaces above certain size.

All workplaces should be 100% controlled by workers. Does that count as agree?

* High Incomes will be taxed, even going as far as a 100% tax rate for above certain income.

Taxes are unnecessary provided the above scenario is met, but in the current system, yes I agree.

* Free and universal access to healthcare will be guaranteed, not just for citizens but for everyone in the country, because we are all humans and it is the right thing to do.

Agree

* The democratic State shall make the construction of public housing a priority, and this public housing will be leased to those who need it for free. The rental of flats or residences shall be made illegal, with all flats or residences requiring to be lived in by the owner or leasee, and all empty and unused flats or residences subject to socialization by the People through the democratic State.

The state is unnecessary, but yes I agree.

* The political organization of the country will go through a radical transformation in order to eliminate harmful practices. An independent comission will be in charge of redrawing electoral districts. A new chamber of Congress will house representatives from the Unions of the Nation, States should be split or merged as necessary to allow for a more equitative upper-house or Senate, and Congress as a whole, as elected representatives of the people, would be empowered to be above the Supreme Court and President. Under this scheme, members of the Supreme Court will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and have term limits, and the President likewise will be elected through a vote of all three chambers of Congress and be able to be removed through a simple majority vote of no-confidence.

Disagree. Representative democracy is a sham.

* No tolerance for the intolerant. Those who engage in hate speech, support hate or hateful ideologies, and discriminate other people on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual identity, or anything else, will be deplatformed and required to go through mandatory reeducation. Political parties or organizations which spouse such views will be banned outright.

Disagree. Hateful ideologies should be prevented from spreading but actively trying to eliminate them is unnecessary.

* All groups who have been historically victimized, opressed, or discriminated against will receive restitution or reparation, which might take many forms. This includes decolonization, in which indigenous groups who were stripped of their land by the government in the past will have the option to have those lands restored and be offered protection and autonomous self-governance.

Disagree. Long term systemic solutions are more effective than reparations.

>* The state will be completely separated from religion, and in fact, the state will effectively act as if it itself was atheist, while respecting the personal and private religion of individuals.

There should be no state, but if there has to be, it should be completely separate from religion.

>* Personal gun ownership will be curtailed, and only 'well regulated militias' should be allowed to have guns. However, many more organizations, such as Unions, will be able to employ 'well regulated militias'. These militias will also be required to have horizontal structures as detailed in the first point.

Depends on how you define "well regulated". Its a vanity term right now and would need to be given proper guidelines for me to really make a decision on it.

Total

Agree:4

Disagree:3

Unsure/need more clarification: 2


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IceCreamOnStero
06/07/23 6:56:53 AM
#47:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Pictured: The problem with misinformation and Cold War propaganda.
People like communism until you tell them its communism

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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 7:01:27 AM
#48:


NeonTentacles posted...
Naaaah, we were definitely on the right side of that war lol

Didnt say anything about who was good or bad.

I said that people dismiss good ideas without even considering them because t-thats communism! Especially since most of the time they dont even know what the word means, besides what those bad guys were.

Hence, Cold War propaganda.

IceCreamOnStero posted...
People like communism until you tell them its communism

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BurmesePenguin
06/07/23 7:02:44 AM
#49:


Dark_Arbron posted...
I said that people dismiss good ideas without even considering them because t-thats communism!
But the ideas are bad.

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Dark_Arbron
06/07/23 7:03:46 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
But the ideas are bad.

Which ones? Elaborate. Preferably with a reason why theyre bad.

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"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
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