Current Events > nobody is talking bout ragnarok anymore

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what a flop

Barely any games exist outside of their 3 month release window.

Elden Ring is the last one with any staying power and I would argue it didn't have a lot of competition for quite awhile.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Barely any games exist outside of their 3 month release window.

This. It's rare for a game to still be talked about after that window these days, regardless of how good the game is.

It was awesome. All better now?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Barely any games exist outside of their 3 month release window.

Elden Ring is the last one with any staying power and I would argue it didn't have a lot of competition for quite awhile.

People still talk about BotW

What is there to say about that kind of game after you've mashed your way through the story?

Yeah, one of the weakest Thor movies, tbh

My first mmo.

That Thor movie?

what are people supposed to be saying about it 7 months after reelease, tc?

it came and it went.

a lot of gods died, chaos and destruction everywhere...

but at least the world was reborn after that! >_>

People gonna be talking about Ragnark all the damn time once rr and Jrmungandr kill each other and inn gets swallowed by a giant wolf.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

People gonna be talking about Ragnark all the damn time once rr and Jrmungandr kill each other and inn gets swallowed by a giant wolf.

wait, so it happens more than once? i thought it was a "once in a lifetime" thing. lol

All games are like that nowadays.
The only games that are old enough and still get talked about are

Bloodborne
Elden Ring
Breath of the Wild

That's the problem with these movie-type games. The more you try to revisit them the more pointless timewasters start showing themselves. You know the plot so the boring walking exposition scenes just become a waste of time. You're not wowed by the environments so the "hold up to climb" sections just become a waste of time.

There's also not much to go back to. The combat isn't deep enough and character progression isn't diverse enough to warrant going back through the game to try out a new build or something.

I'm not a big fan of BoTW, but I do like Elden Ring, and its clear why these games stick around for so long

-They respect the player's time and let them get to the good bits
-A lot more depth to sink your teeth into, whether that's BOTW's open world or Elden Ring's combat
-Variety and player personalisation. It's my adventure through Elden Ring, not my viewing of a script.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

That's the problem with these movie-type games. The more you try to revisit them the more pointless timewasters start showing themselves. You know the plot so the boring walking exposition scenes just become a waste of time. You're not wowed by the environments so the "hold up to climb" sections just become a waste of time.

There's also not much to go back to. The combat isn't deep enough and character progression isn't diverse enough to warrant going back through the game to try out a new build or something.

I'm not a big fan of BoTW, but I do like Elden Ring, and its clear why these games stick around for so long

-They respect the player's time and let them get to the good bits
-A lot more depth to sink your teeth into, whether that's BOTW's open world or Elden Ring's combat
-Variety and player personalisation. It's my adventure through Elden Ring, not my viewing of a script.

I mean, not all games are gonna be 10/10 masterpieces you play for generations.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I mean, not all games are gonna be 10/10 masterpieces you play for generations.

Don't see how that relates to my point.

Yea, Record of Ragnarok is weirdly disliked and subsequently heavy underrated.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Don't see how that relates to my point.

In the sense that movie-type games as you describe them are not designed to be games you replay for a generation.

They are designed to be an excellent single play and then you move on to other things.

BOTW, Elden Ring, they are hoping that their gameplay structure is good enough to invest you for a console generation. GOW Ragnarok is designed to keep you invested for the length of its narrative. They don't anticipate people wanting to replay it over and over.

you made a topic about it...

I'm currently playing through it and don't have much to say about it. I got it at launch, keep taking breaks since it's long and kind of boring.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

In the sense that movie-type games as you describe them are not designed to be games you replay for a generation.

They are designed to be an excellent single play and then you move on to other things.

BOTW, Elden Ring, they are hoping that their gameplay structure is good enough to invest you for a console generation. GOW Ragnarok is designed to keep you invested for the length of its narrative. They don't anticipate people wanting to replay it over and over.

I'm aware that's not what they're trying to be. And I think that's a problem. I think a game being able to keep you hooked and coming back to it is a pretty objectively good trait compared to playing a game once and forgetting about it.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

wait, so it happens more than once? i thought it was a "once in a lifetime" thing. lol

Time is obviously cyclical

Remember Diablo IV?

It came out 7 months ago

Kurt_Russel posted...

Yeah, one of the weakest Thor movies, tbh

What a terrible fucking opinion

FolkenRawr posted...

Yea, Record of Ragnarok is weirdly disliked and subsequently heavy underrated.

I don't think it's underrated. But the anime adaptation was ass. The manga also kinda oscillates between being great to being eh. Some arcs are significantly better than others, results sometimes feel a bit random

I don't know the Record of Ragnorak sub seems pretty active to me.

Games with staying power are the gameplay first types.

Look at Bloodborne, Super Mario 64, Resident Evil 4, you'll notice how they're all japanese made

YoungMutual posted...

Games with staying power are the gameplay first types.

Look at Bloodborne, Super Mario 64, Resident Evil 4, you'll notice how they're all japanese made

tell me exactly how much gameplay you think is in GOW: Ragnarok. Like, tell me what you seriously think.

TMOG posted...

What a terrible fucking opinion

What an accurate opinion*

TC I can talk to you about how Ragnarok is mostly bad if you want.

CrimsonGear80 posted...

tell me exactly how much gameplay you think is in GOW: Ragnarok. Like, tell me what you seriously think.

What's there is mostly superficial tbh and really just there to pad things in between cutscenes and those walking and talking plot exposition segments disguised as gameplay

Does it still have that thing where you press the attack button and he kind of locks on to an enemy and lunges toward them as he swipes?

IceCreamOnStero posted...

I'm aware that's not what they're trying to be. And I think that's a problem. I think a game being able to keep you hooked and coming back to it is a pretty objectively good trait compared to playing a game once and forgetting about it.

I like Elden Ring and BOTW but I would hate if every game tried to be like that. I only want one of these every couple of years due to how long they are.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Does it still have that thing where you press the attack button and he kind of locks on to an enemy and lunges toward them as he swipes?

Yes

IceCreamOnStero posted...

I'm aware that's not what they're trying to be. And I think that's a problem. I think a game being able to keep you hooked and coming back to it is a pretty objectively good trait compared to playing a game once and forgetting about it.

Oh there is no question that a game having replay value is amazing. It's about what you value for your 70 bucks. 40 hour movie experience once might be worth that 70 bucks just as much as 300 hours of BOTW.

I played BOTW longer but I enjoyed GOW Ragnarok more, if that makes sense.

TendoDRM posted...

I'm currently playing through it and don't have much to say about it. I got it at launch, keep taking breaks since it's long and kind of boring.

not getting it until it hits PC but man, it hits hard to hear a GoW game being called "long and boring" when you think about how the series started out.

AsucaHayashi posted...

not getting it until it hits PC but man, it hits hard to hear a GoW game being called "long and boring" when you think about how the series started out.

There's a sequence about 1/3 or 1/4 in Ragnarok where you literally just move forward and talk for 2 or 3 hours. There might be extremely minor encounters mixed in there, but it is a minor distraction to the talking and walking.

It's one of the worst things that has ever been in a video game.

YoungMutual posted...

What's there is mostly superficial tbh and really just there to pad things in between cutscenes and those walking and talking plot exposition segments disguised as gameplay

so in other words you have no clue what you are talking about?

IceCreamOnStero posted...

That's the problem with these movie-type games. The more you try to revisit them the more pointless timewasters start showing themselves. You know the plot so the boring walking exposition scenes just become a waste of time. You're not wowed by the environments so the "hold up to climb" sections just become a waste of time.

There's also not much to go back to. The combat isn't deep enough and character progression isn't diverse enough to warrant going back through the game to try out a new build or something.

I'm not a big fan of BoTW, but I do like Elden Ring, and its clear why these games stick around for so long

-They respect the player's time and let them get to the good bits
-A lot more depth to sink your teeth into, whether that's BOTW's open world or Elden Ring's combat
-Variety and player personalisation. It's my adventure through Elden Ring, not my viewing of a script.

"Movie-type games" aren't the only ones that aren't talked about for years.

Are people talking about Doom II or Half-Life all the time anymore? Most people don't play any type of singleplayer game over and over for years.

Unless it's literally a discussion about your favorite games all time, 99.99% of games drop out of the public consciousness.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I like Elden Ring and BOTW but I would hate if every game tried to be like that. I only want one of these every couple of years due to how long they are.

You don't need games exactly like Elden Ring or BOTW to have staying power.

Cuz it sucked. Focused on half-rate storytelling instead of being a fun game.

hockeybub89 posted...

"Movie-type games" aren't the only ones that aren't talked about for years.

Are people talking about Doom II or Half-Life all the time anymore? Most people don't play any type of singleplayer game over and over for years.

Unless it's literally a discussion about your favorite games all time, 99.99% of games drop out of the public consciousness.

You're comparing games that have falled out of favour within months to games from over 2 decades ago. People talked about Doom and Half Life a lot longer than they did movie games.

https://www.ign.com/articles/god-of-war-ragnarok-reaches-11-million-units-sold-milestone

don't forget that it took Half-Life 2 over a decade to reach the same amount of sales ragnarok did in mere months.

Games used to be talked about a lot more in general two decades ao because there was a lot less to talk about.

Tbh outside of the DLC and being compared to TOTK I haven't heard much talk about Elden Ring this year either.

People take 'talking' on the internet too seriously in general. Our attention span for things are shorter than they've ever been. It used to be a movie like Pretty Woman would get talked about and referenced for an entire decade. Most things are the center of attention for a few weeks and then we move on. That's how it is now.

Never played it. Diablo II was more my jam back then.

CrimsonGear80 posted...

https://www.ign.com/articles/god-of-war-ragnarok-reaches-11-million-units-sold-milestone

don't forget that it took Half-Life 2 over a decade to reach the same amount of sales ragnarok did in mere months.

Just proves my point. Movie games sell gangbusters and yet still fail to make a lasting impact.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Just proves my point. Movie games sell gangbusters and yet still fail to make a lasting impact.

a "movie" game? so like...half-life 2 had no cinematic influences?

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