Current Events > This Trump DeSantis thing is starting to grow deep fractures in Republicans

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untrustful
05/29/23 3:04:18 PM
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There's 2 prevalent opinions so far:

DeSantis Moderates: "Trump needs to step aside, he has no chance. He won't though because he's not loyal and he's not a team player."
Trump Supporters: "Oh? Was the GOP loyal to Trump? Were they team players? Trump owes the establishment nothing but destruction."

So moderate republicans (and former Trump supporters that were burned) that support DeSantis are put in a similar position to what liberals experienced in 2016+ where people tried using the best arguments and making the best cases they could for why Trump was not going to be a good president and that he was going to lose for sure.

I think if DeSantis wants a chance here, he needs to create a scenario or conjure a feeling where Trump supporters en masse feel betrayed by Trump personally. Because arguments, memes, tweets, etc isn't really going to work in his favor for the primary. He can't Jeb Bush his way through the primaries, he needs to play fast, loose, dirty, and manipulative fast.

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Billyionaire
05/29/23 3:04:59 PM
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Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.

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DarthAragorn
05/29/23 3:05:10 PM
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Nobody that supports DeSantis is a moderate.

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Alucard188
05/29/23 3:05:24 PM
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Hopefully it fractures so severely that the party falls in and dies.

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assboobsgames
05/29/23 3:05:44 PM
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Lets find out who god really chose.

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creativerealms
05/29/23 3:06:20 PM
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Let them fight.

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videospirit
05/29/23 3:06:24 PM
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DeSantis can only win if Trump gets disqualified.

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untrustful
05/29/23 3:06:40 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Nobody that supports DeSantis is a moderate.
True but I'm trying to be neutral lol

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ai123
05/29/23 3:07:16 PM
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Moderates don't support repressive authoritarians like DeSantis.

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Hoodroar
05/29/23 3:11:14 PM
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It's not really even, the DeSantis people are correct, the GOP would have an easier time with the election if Trump didn't run again and didn't undermine the winner.

untrustful posted...
I think if DeSantis wants a chance here, he needs to create a scenario or conjure a feeling where Trump supporters en masse feel betrayed by Trump personally.

There's no way to do that.

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FortuneCookie
05/29/23 3:11:25 PM
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I hope so.
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Block_that_Kick
05/29/23 3:11:44 PM
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I can only hope that there is so much butthurt resentment between the two sides that enough of the losing side doesnt show up on Election Day, giving the Democrats a dominating victory.

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Vyrulisse
05/29/23 3:11:50 PM
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Once one of them wins the rest will fall in line, it's what Republicans do.

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Humble_Novice
05/29/23 3:12:05 PM
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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-05-28/poll-trump-takes-big-lead-over-desantis-among-california-republicans

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Takuya_Lee
05/29/23 3:12:20 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.

No they won't. If 45 loses, hell tell his supporters not to vote. And if 45 wins, it could cause the moderate wing to stay home.

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Irony
05/29/23 3:14:17 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.
If somehow DeSantis won the primary Trump would absolutely tell his supporters to not vote for him

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untrustful
05/29/23 3:15:11 PM
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Funny thing is that there was a situation in Tennessee where a republican tried to do the right thing and was punished for it because the republican house chamber wanted heads and didn't care about making a proper case for voters regarding the Tennessee Three. There was leaked audio of a meeting after the vote where that one republican was basically talked down to because he wasn't a "team player".

It's like an inverse mirror image of what's going on in this primary except it's the minority that's expecting the majority to play ball. It's a weak hand and trump supporters know it.

Reference: https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1646548124272324608

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creativerealms
05/29/23 3:15:35 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Once one of them wins the rest will fall in line, it's what Republicans do.
Normally. The GOP will fall in line, MAGA types won't. They only care about Trump. they won't vote for DeSantis.

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DarthAragorn
05/29/23 3:17:36 PM
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Takuya_Lee posted...
No they won't. If 45 loses, hell tell his supporters not to vote. And if 45 wins, it could cause the moderate wing to stay home.
bullshit

The former is certain but the latter is just false, there is no moderate wing

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untrustful
05/29/23 3:18:26 PM
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There is a fraction of Trump supporters that can switch, but it's clear they preferred DeSantis wait his turn.

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Hoodroar
05/29/23 3:19:11 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...

bullshit

The former is certain but the latter is just false, there is no moderate wing

Nevertheless there are independent centrists or whatever who just plain won't vote Trump, but might vote for someone who isn't as disgraced as Trump.

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Billyionaire
05/29/23 3:21:41 PM
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Irony posted...
If somehow DeSantis won the primary Trump would absolutely tell his supporters to not vote for him
What's the one thing Trump supporters hate more than doing what they're asked? Letting Democrats win elections.

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thronedfire2
05/29/23 3:27:41 PM
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Hoodroar posted...
Nevertheless there are independent centrists or whatever who just plain won't vote Trump, but might vote for someone who isn't as disgraced as Trump.

those "independent centrists" are far more likely to vote for Trump than a democrat

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creativerealms
05/29/23 3:29:25 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
bullshit

The former is certain but the latter is just false, there is no moderate wing
Trump had more voters then most republicans for a reason. Because he did inspire millions of people to vote, just for him. Those people won't vote for a standard republican even if that person says the right things. If Trump tells them not to vote they won't vote.

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Unsuprised_Pika
05/29/23 3:32:42 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.

Unless Stale Cheeto loses and runs third party

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Crimsoness
05/29/23 3:34:03 PM
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Ya'll are assuming a lot when you say Trump won't still run if he loses the primary. His ego would never allow him to admit losing.

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UnholyMudcrab
05/29/23 3:34:12 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Trump is too prideful to do anything like that. The idea that he would tell his supporters to vote for another person seems incomprehensible to me.

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The_shibe
05/29/23 3:35:05 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.


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Srk700
05/29/23 3:39:05 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Doesn't matter. They're going to rally behind whoever wins the primary.

If Trump wins I could see that happening.

DeSantis wins though, and there's a good chance that the Trumpers will either not vote or vote for Trump as a write in.
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Takuya_Lee
05/29/23 3:42:52 PM
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Crimsoness posted...
Ya'll are assuming a lot when you say Trump won't still run if he loses the primary. His ego would never allow him to admit losing.

Sore loser laws are a thing.

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YourBestFrenemy
05/29/23 3:43:15 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/8/AAegNYAAD-cM.jpg

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argonautweakend
05/29/23 3:46:19 PM
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Trump comes off as genuine* but DeSantis really comes off as a tryhard who is doing this dumb shit in Florida to appear tough come primary time. It's sad because he's like a young buck trying desperately to prove himself. Florida may learn in time none of his culture war stuff did anything to help Floridians at all.

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Spiritlittle
05/29/23 3:46:56 PM
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Yep.

Everyone show up and give Biden another 4 years. Then, we'll reset and hopefully have younger blood in the Democrat Party.

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Gritty
05/29/23 3:47:41 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Let them fight.

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UnsteadyOwl
05/29/23 4:01:27 PM
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What I see is establishment Republicans wanting to take the party back from the MAGAs but showing the same fear of Trump that allowed the MAGAs to take over the party in the first place. They can talk electability all they want but you can't logic Trump supporters out of their support for Trump when it's all based on emotion.

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Alucard188
05/29/23 4:16:03 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Someone who is happy to have the housekeeper be an undocumented migrant.

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Takuya_Lee
05/29/23 4:31:24 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Non MAGA republican

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Derwood
05/29/23 4:31:51 PM
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Takuya_Lee posted...
Non MAGA republican

I don't see any

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The_shibe
05/29/23 4:34:47 PM
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republican: "ban all LGBTQ people from the country!"
democrat: "don't ban any LGBTQ"

"moderate" republican: "let's just ban half the LGBTQ from the country then"

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Block_that_Kick
05/29/23 4:35:53 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/7/AADYzzAAEhXf.jpg

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The_shibe
05/29/23 4:40:09 PM
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Block_that_Kick posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/7/AADYzzAAEhXf.jpg

"enlightened centrists" : "what if just half died?"
media: "Ohhhhh, compromise!!!! soyjack.jpg"

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Heineken14
05/29/23 4:41:32 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Hopefully it fractures so severely that the party falls in and dies.


This would be the best outcome for all of America.

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YourBestFrenemy
05/29/23 4:44:47 PM
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Takuya_Lee posted...
Non MAGA republican

Just because someone is a non-MAGA repug, does not magically make them a "moderate" repug, (assuming there even is such a thing).

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FortuneCookie
05/29/23 8:03:13 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Unless Stale Cheeto loses and runs third party

Yes, please. Syphon those votes.

*AOC and Bernie run third-party and turn the 2024 election into a four-way battle royale*

Dammit.
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