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changmas
05/24/23 1:33:22 AM
#301:


Cody11533 posted...
And some random nonsense before I go to bed. I do want to clarify as well for whoever gets a Goldeen tonight, you will be asked if you want to give it a nickname. I wasn't joking about that part lol. You have a 12 character limit. (and yes I know this is indeed not very Smash flavor).

I do really want to hear about the pineapple please if anyone doesn't mind sharing.

Finally how do people take notes while playing? I've been typing out my thoughts as I go and I really need to find a way to organize them better.

Going to bed now but one ridiculous crackpot idea for the road:

the whole naming thing seems to be a whole lot of extra steps for just a simple fruit vendor reskin

So what if chris is not a measly fish vendor but a dastardly Arsonfisht


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htaeD
05/24/23 1:33:41 AM
#302:


I especially dont know where Joyrock got all his reads from. I dont know if he is coached, but some of his posts feel like he is just aping someone else.

And I see the Red votes are largely because he is not even posting.
Well deserved then.

Also sup Chris. Why is that one post of mine terrible?
And why is Ulti town now?
You know I wanted to defend your read on him, but now it appears you dont even believe in your own words.

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htaeD
05/24/23 1:37:15 AM
#303:


Oh nvm I see your reasoning for giving Ulti more time now
Which... is fair?
I guess?
Still not comfortable with it, but I also cant say Red is doing anything to save himself.

Oh and as for the flavor thing. I presume what Kirby means is that some flavor has been tied to the power, other flavor has not. Its all randomized and we should not expect a pattern.

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htaeD
05/24/23 1:38:36 AM
#304:


What I am curious about is that Cody seems to be going for a mentality (scum would never kill him night1) that only got explained to him after night1?

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SirChris
05/24/23 1:43:08 AM
#305:


htaeD posted...
I especially dont know where Joyrock got all his reads from. I dont know if he is coached, but some of his posts feel like he is just aping someone else.

And I see the Red votes are largely because he is not even posting.
Well deserved then.

Also sup Chris. Why is that one post of mine terrible?
And why is Ulti town now?
You know I wanted to defend your read on him, but now it appears you dont even believe in your own words.

You saw that what Marth did that bothered people wasn't scum indicative but you voted for him anyway.

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SirChris
05/24/23 1:43:38 AM
#306:


Cody11533 posted...
And some random nonsense before I go to bed. I do want to clarify as well for whoever gets a Goldeen tonight, you will be asked if you want to give it a nickname. I wasn't joking about that part lol. You have a 12 character limit. (and yes I know this is indeed not very Smash flavor).

I do really want to hear about the pineapple please if anyone doesn't mind sharing.

Finally how do people take notes while playing? I've been typing out my thoughts as I go and I really need to find a way to organize them better.

This isn't mentioned in my role in any way wtf kirby lol

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htaeD
05/24/23 1:53:14 AM
#307:


SirChris posted...


You saw that what Marth did that bothered people wasn't scum indicative but you voted for him anyway.


I explained it then and there Chris
My reasoning for voting him was not that
My reasoning was his reaction to how people reacted to his lists.
It wasnt a lot, but it was the biggest suspicion I had at that time and that did not get countered by what Mzero posted.

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htaeD
05/24/23 1:54:33 AM
#308:


Well I suppose another night of fishgiving will clear up whether or not Cody is making random stuff up..
I dont know how name giving fits into smash flavor at all though. But I also dont know why he would lie.

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SirChris
05/24/23 2:03:25 AM
#309:


htaeD posted...
I explained it then and there Chris
My reasoning for voting him was not that
My reasoning was his reaction to how people reacted to his lists.
It wasnt a lot, but it was the biggest suspicion I had at that time and that did not get countered by what Mzero posted.

Forgive me my paranoia when I thought marth was a bad wagon and that someone on it is scum.


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MZero
05/24/23 2:13:03 AM
#310:


Cody11533 posted...
Finally how do people take notes while playing? I've been typing out my thoughts as I go and I really need to find a way to organize them better.

In 10+ years of mafia I have never taken a note

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MZero
05/24/23 2:17:36 AM
#311:


changmas posted...
Plum, I want to applaud you here. This ISO of Lea was really compelling to me and really laid out before my eyes a lot of the concerns I had floating around my head about Lea. It also bothered me that she was tunneled in onto Marth and that she has had trouble adjusting her reads to the evolving game state. I think you've convinced me to take a hard stance here and spring into action.

Choo choo

chang is so town it hurts

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htaeD
05/24/23 2:18:34 AM
#312:


SirChris posted...


Forgive me my paranoia when I thought marth was a bad wagon and that someone on it is scum.


Eh
Your paranoia is fair I suppose.

But in turn forgive me my paranoia when suddenly your scumteam hypotheticals dont seem to have Ulti on it anymore.

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htaeD
05/24/23 2:19:28 AM
#313:


I used to take notes.
Then I got older and lazier and job-ier

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MZero
05/24/23 2:19:55 AM
#314:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I've been trying that for like 24 hours now! I know I'm not that good at town but I'm not bad for liking you this game. I agree with a Joyrock or Red lynch as well, because, once again, the people posting less are getting rewarded for it.

I'm about to dive into the logs to see if town Ulti has ever said "I'm not good at town" because that doesn't sound like town Ulti to me

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MZero
05/24/23 2:32:30 AM
#315:


Tekken Mafia Topic 1 Page 9

UltimaterializerX posted...
Youll see tonight unless Im mislynched for being an active player, lmao

You want to make sure I never ever participate in day 1 again, that would do it.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Okay.

Im going afk the rest of day one since its clearly what you guys want, because for whatever reason this place loves the negative feedback loop of only suspecting active players. Later

UltimaterializerX posted...
Corrik being called town after two posts while I get called scum for being active is actually kind of funny, NGL.

I did promise one bit of research on LF so Ill do that before I dip. One sec.



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htaeD
05/24/23 2:33:08 AM
#316:


Yeah I recalled Ulti whining about us not going after inactives, but I didnt remember which game it was from

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MZero
05/24/23 2:36:04 AM
#317:


UltimaterializerX posted...
It is, believe it or not, possible to think Chris is town sometimes. And whats especially dumb is when I flip exactly what I just said Ill flip, all of tomorrow ends up about people trying to lynch Chris for leading a mislynch instead of actually solving the game. aka, more people being inactive while bad players only bother lynching active ones. The fact that the best way to stay alive in this forum is to not play is beyond embarrassing and its a direct cause why many people here are not as good as they think they are.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Wallz, Cody, Crescent, Chang, Corrik, and joyrock are all, by my definition, afk or barely playing today. On basic math Id say at least half are scum.

Lets lynch towns most active player instead lol

So if I end up lynched here it will be me getting lynched as both alignments recently while being very active. In the game I went afk intentionally, I lived until the final 3.

I can see why Boko does it.

UltimaterializerX posted...
I am going afk until tomorrow btw, since thats the #1 way to stay alive on here.

If MU is different I may actually sign up, because being punished as town for actually playing while scum idles got old a decade ago. Im so far beyond tired of it.


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SirChris
05/24/23 2:39:47 AM
#318:


I kind of wanted to make red do something but yeah back to this.

##vote: Ulti


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SirChris
05/24/23 2:40:19 AM
#319:


I dont like days to stagnate btw it should be obvious why I push different directions.

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htaeD
05/24/23 2:43:41 AM
#320:


Again fair. Not like Red has any good will left at this point.

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red13n
05/24/23 3:39:54 AM
#321:


I may have fallen the fuck asleep why are we still trying to kill me and ulti(Okay I can understand me at some point, its dumb because we don't really have any scum reasoning for me but I'm not completely tonedeaf).

I saw some dumb stuff about a fish while I was in and out of consciousness and I'm going to be honest, I don't know what people are making of it. I saw I think plum make a dumb post about not understanding the flavor if I recall, thats too dumb for scum plum probably I made a mental note of this.

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red13n
05/24/23 3:40:21 AM
#322:


htaeD posted...
Again fair. Not like Red has any good will left at this point.

No one ever has any good will for me I don't really give two shits at this point about that tbh.

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htaeD
05/24/23 3:53:44 AM
#323:


Well you not posting is a part of it, so you can at least easily rectify that.

Though we are killing Ulti first anyway IMO

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SirChris
05/24/23 3:54:12 AM
#324:


there does exist a world where red is town and is just very slammed, I guess

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SirChris
05/24/23 3:58:04 AM
#325:


red any thoughts on mzero and I pulling up old ulti mafia games where he posts a lot like this?

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red13n
05/24/23 4:07:49 AM
#326:


SirChris posted...
red any thoughts on mzero and I pulling up old ulti mafia games where he posts a lot like this?
I haven't read that closely yet. I remember active ulti from avengers mostly where I had him dead early and town was so enamoured in him talking nonsense they didn't lynch him for whatever reason.

But that wasn't recent ulti. Recent Ulti has been a lot more, well, inactive. Actions in this game I think point to town. The activity registers as just weird to me at this point.

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SirChris
05/24/23 4:40:31 AM
#327:


red13n posted...
I haven't read that closely yet. I remember active ulti from avengers mostly where I had him dead early and town was so enamoured in him talking nonsense they didn't lynch him for whatever reason.

But that wasn't recent ulti. Recent Ulti has been a lot more, well, inactive. Actions in this game I think point to town. The activity registers as just weird to me at this point.

I mean to say 'similarly' rather than activity level above when I say 'a lot like this'

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wallmasterz
05/24/23 4:41:14 AM
#328:


Red, I think youre scum but assuming youre not, who do you think is scum?

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MZero
05/24/23 5:13:12 AM
#329:


T1-341

UltimaterializerX posted...
Tempting as it is to get fooled by you twice, you are not pocketing the princess !!

I may give you cakes though. Maybe.

Ulti breadcrumbed the cakes yesterday, but later changed to beetles. Does town ever fake breadcrumb something as pointless as changing the item he gives away (when neither does anything)?

What I've noticed from reading past Ulti scum games (Tekken, Elden Ring) he likes to drop flavor/role hints early and for little reason. In Tekken he randomly said he was town's king. In Elden Ring, Shoe claimed some weirdly named role and Ulti was like "I buy it cause my role has a weird name too"

Basically, scum Ulti can't hold in a fake claim to save his life

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MZero
05/24/23 5:16:15 AM
#330:


Addendum: Just pulled up Psyche Mafia. Ulti claimed vanilla in his first post lol

I believe he claimed Vanilla in all of the games as well

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:32:09 AM
#331:


You know

it would be pretty funny if plum was scum with ulti and that's why ulti voted asap when wall had info and also why plum like got so mad about the thought of rolescanning me lol

@mzero idle thoughts if ulti flips scum for you to digest

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:33:44 AM
#332:


this mostly comes from plum using paper mario has an excuse for ulti when checking it out ulti was much more focused there

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/23 5:40:43 AM
#333:


Cody11533 posted...
Question for ctes I got from looking back on Day 1's results, but is there a reason you didn't end up voting? Apologies if it was brought up and I missed it.

It was not. I was not sold on anything, and then I feel asleep like 15 minutes before deadline while hoping Marth would come back and claim.

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/23 5:42:05 AM
#334:


I don't recall Ulti as very focused in Paper Mario until late days. Wasn't he topics behind at all times for a good while?

I do recall Plum saying "who would ever burn Cody n1" that game though lol.

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MZero
05/24/23 5:44:25 AM
#335:


SirChris posted...
it would be pretty funny if plum was scum with ulti and that's why ulti voted asap when wall had info

that is an excellent catch. No one else really bit on it

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:45:09 AM
#336:


1. changmas (Zelda)
2. SirChris (Hero)
3. Cody11533 (Rosalina & Luma)
4. Corrik7 (Samus)
5. Crescent-Moon (Ike)
6. ctesjbuvf (Jigglypuff)
7. htaeD (Min Min)
8. Lea (Lucina)
9. MZero (Joker)
10. Obellisk (Sora)
11. Masterplum (Daisy)
12. red13n/Leafeon13N (Lucario)
13. RuneterranSnap (Little Mac)
14. UltimaterializerX (Peach)
15. wallmasterz (Mario)

Towncore for me atm is

Mzero
Sbell
Wall
Ctes
Corrik

I think I trust those four pretty unconditionally unless the flips of the suspects are exactly lea town/red town/ulti scum then I have to think of the possibility that corrik is power wolfing but I don't THINK that's going to be the flips? Ctes also seems much more engaged to my eye than he was in the last game and I think he derped when it comes to scum roles like Sbell did and I'll trust that until I have reason not to.

I feel good about chang but I am not sure if I can trust that read. I fee mildly good about Crescent as well, I want to trust that as I think I can usually tell when crescent is forcing things and here she seems chill and unbothered but not enough body of work.

Then I've got death/plum which I think will probably be able to tel l based on red/lea/ulti flips what's up. If Lea is scum then plum is probably fine. He could be fine regardless but I can't forget that plum has always been a sneaky good scum so even if I think he is doing well I shouldn't get comfortable if he is pushing the wrong wagons.

Then you've got the ulti/joyrock/cody/red/lea meat grinder. I don't think that's the scum team (unless...?) but I feel like once we figure out one piece some others start to make sense. I think Lea should be last in this group to go because I dont think she's scum with either ulti or red tbh


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SirChris
05/24/23 5:46:16 AM
#337:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I don't recall Ulti as very focused in Paper Mario until late days. Wasn't he topics behind at all times for a good while?

I do recall Plum saying "who would ever burn Cody n1" that game though lol.
I checked and ulti was sick but like his posts were basically "okay sbell is scum" and sbell was scum and "I think plum is in the poe due to his behavior" and plum was scum, this was day 1.

I just mean he was on top of things.

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htaeD
05/24/23 5:46:47 AM
#338:


Ulti voting Plum right away seems like a thing townUlti would do tho.. but also a thing scumUlti thinks townUlti should do

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htaeD
05/24/23 5:49:18 AM
#339:


Btw do we force our 'backup' to use his role? We could prove his power by having him backup Peaf

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:50:02 AM
#340:


I will admit another thing that really sticks out to me is Ulti usually is very suspicious of me in literally every game we're in together when he is town. This would be a departure and I don't think tunneling and gassing up peaf day 1 to kill town marth is the thing that makes me go 'well its just a coincidence'

Anyway to make that list more clear:

Town
Mzero
Sbell
Wall
Ctes

Town unless specific flips happen
Corrik

Townleans
Crescent
Chang

Could feel better/worse depending on how below group sorts
Death
Plum

Lea
Joyrock
Cody
Red
Ulti

from top to bottom, completely sorted

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htaeD
05/24/23 5:51:35 AM
#341:


That said I dont know if I buy a backup when it could lead to accidentally giving scum 2 extra kills in the worst case scenario.
But at least I would buy that scum doesnt get one.

Also I'd ask for him to clarify if he can back up powers that were already used up or not.

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:52:07 AM
#342:


htaeD posted...
Btw do we force our 'backup' to use his role? We could prove his power by having him backup Peaf

That's a pretty scary idea but a fun one.

@Cody11533 give a gun to someone extremely townie tonight based on how the flip goes today by backing up peaf.


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SirChris
05/24/23 5:52:33 AM
#343:


also don't say who you are giving it to

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:53:55 AM
#344:


MZero posted...
T1-341

Ulti breadcrumbed the cakes yesterday, but later changed to beetles. Does town ever fake breadcrumb something as pointless as changing the item he gives away (when neither does anything)?

What I've noticed from reading past Ulti scum games (Tekken, Elden Ring) he likes to drop flavor/role hints early and for little reason. In Tekken he randomly said he was town's king. In Elden Ring, Shoe claimed some weirdly named role and Ulti was like "I buy it cause my role has a weird name too"

Basically, scum Ulti can't hold in a fake claim to save his life

@masterplum do you trust mzero?

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:54:47 AM
#345:


actually death with the items and role madness a pretty common item is redirection

I'd probably just have cody do a track tonight and see what comes of it. vig sounds very fun but scum might have tools to abuse it

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/23 5:56:12 AM
#346:


SirChris posted...
I checked and ulti was sick but like his posts were basically "okay sbell is scum" and sbell was scum and "I think plum is in the poe due to his behavior" and plum was scum, this was day 1.

I just mean he was on top of things.

Yeah alright, maybe it seems more like it when you know who the scum team is. His spot on reads might have been overshadowed by how he was never caught up at the time.

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:56:26 AM
#347:


one thing I am trying to keep in mind is that one of peaf's town reads might have been given a gun by peaf but is actually scum and is not saying anything to try to use it later.

something to consider as the game continues.

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SirChris
05/24/23 5:57:06 AM
#348:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Yeah alright, maybe it seems more like it when you know who the scum team is. His spot on reads might have been overshadowed by how he was never caught up at the time.

thats true he didnt have a lot of posts due to being sick but when he posted he was pretty darn logical

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SirChris
05/24/23 6:02:47 AM
#349:


If ulti is scum though would be kinda surprised if red is not just because it is hard for me to imagine ulti feeling comfortable going after town red like he has red this game.

That's an old thought just restating it.


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Obellisk
05/24/23 6:07:39 AM
#350:


htaeD posted...
I am also not fond of Plum just refusing to engage the Ulti subject, and Sbell continuously trying to get at Chris out of what looks like mere paranoia.

this post doesn't sit well this morning death. Sorta feels like you want to start making me appear like a lynchable candidate but at the same time are admitting you known I'm town.

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