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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
05/20/23 9:31:40 PM
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It's definitely mid-tier, but like, is it because people were expecting it not to be Mid? It didn't feel like an Ant-Man film I suppose... didn't have the humor of the first two. Neither of them did very well so I can't imagine that is the problem.

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Flauros
05/20/23 9:37:22 PM
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Watching it right now and it seems fine.

Standard fare for marvel stuff. The bad guy is good. Light comedy, MODOK is a bit cringey. Decent fight scenes.

I dunno why it was hated either.

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CableZL
05/20/23 9:40:39 PM
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I had my complaints about it, but I thought it was decent.

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CSCA33
05/20/23 9:46:17 PM
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Like sipping a glass of room temperature water when youre not really thirsty, theres just not a whole lot to say about it.

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Zonbei
05/20/23 10:25:14 PM
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CSCA33 posted...
Like sipping a glass of room temperature water when youre not really thirsty, theres just not a whole lot to say about it.

Yeah but the confusing thing is that so many people seem to have a whole lot to say about it. Theres a lot of people, even here, acting like its a burning trashcan that means the MCU has died forever.

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No_U_L7
05/20/23 10:25:52 PM
#6:


puts on mask
let me tell you
takes off mask
it had too much CGI for my taste

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Glob
05/20/23 10:29:45 PM
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I think if you judge it on its own, its awful. Its not great either, just a bit mediocre.

The issue is it came off the back of a lot of bad entries into the MCU and was hyped by some as being the thing that would redeem everything and tie it all together, simply because it featured Kang.

If thats what you went in expecting, it really didnt deliver.
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Vortex_of_Hope
05/20/23 10:30:41 PM
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There was no reason for Janet not to explain Kang at any point. The entire plot happened because she refused to talk then she kept not talking for over half the movie. All of it just to hype Kang as someone scary.

Loki set up a mysterious and dangerous force without the need for such cheap writing

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UnsteadyOwl
05/20/23 10:35:08 PM
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It's not bad. It's entertaining for what it is. It's just disappointing because setting it in the quantum realm opened the door to do something really unique but instead it was mostly just a very typical MCU film.

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DarthDemented
05/20/23 10:38:42 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
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it had too much CGI for my taste
You were expecting less CGI from a marvel movie set in a fictional quantum realm?

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No_U_L7
05/20/23 10:41:56 PM
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DarthDemented posted...

You were expecting less CGI from a marvel movie set in a fictional quantum realm?


what do my expectations have to do with anything? i very well could have expected it and still not liked it

i realize they do a lot on green screens...but it was the first movie where it actually felt like a green screen background

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Kastrada
05/20/23 10:44:34 PM
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Vortex_of_Hope posted...
There was no reason for Janet not to explain Kang at any point. The entire plot happened because she refused to talk then she kept not talking for over half the movie. All of it just to hype Kang as someone scary.

I felt the same way as I was watching but she did have the excuse of blaming herself for his rise to power. It's flimsy and not good writing but it somewhat makes sense.

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No_U_L7
05/20/23 10:45:03 PM
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Kastrada posted...


I felt the same way as I was watching but she did have the excuse of blaming herself for his rise to power. It's flimsy and not good writing but it somewhat makes sense.


she felt shame and just wanted to pretend like that part of her life never happened

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Zonbei
05/20/23 11:11:56 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
what do my expectations have to do with anything? i very well could have expected it and still not liked it

i realize they do a lot on green screens...but it was the first movie where it actually felt like a green screen background


Which is wild since its literally not green screen.

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No_U_L7
05/20/23 11:12:52 PM
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Zonbei posted...


Which is wild since its literally not green screen.


What was it?

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Axiom
05/20/23 11:13:05 PM
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This. The quantum realm was a huge disappointment
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A_Good_Boy
05/20/23 11:14:11 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
What was it?
It was shot on location.

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Zonbei
05/20/23 11:18:17 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
What was it?

The Volume, which isnt green-screen. its a new replacement for green screen that looks and works better but everyone just complains about anyways.

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UnsteadyOwl
05/20/23 11:18:31 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
What was it?
It's that setup they use on The Mandalorian where instead of filming in front of green screens and adding in the background later they're filming in front of giant video screens that show the already completed CGI backgrounds. IIRC, it's the first Marvel film to use that.

edit: I was wrong. Thor: Love and Thunder used it first.

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Bleuets
05/20/23 11:30:10 PM
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Personally its my favorite of the Antman trilogy.
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opopopza
05/20/23 11:39:12 PM
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Zonbei posted...
The Volume, which isnt green-screen. its a new replacement for green screen that looks and works better but everyone just complains about anyways.
But it looked terrible in Ant-Man. It may be a technical achievement, but it doesn't really matter when the characters still feel disconnected from the world around then.

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Ricemills
05/20/23 11:44:20 PM
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Marvel = Disney = Snowflakes Trigger


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Zonbei
05/21/23 12:28:51 AM
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opopopza posted...
But it looked terrible in Ant-Man. It may be a technical achievement, but it doesn't really matter when the characters still feel disconnected from the world around then.

There is literally no way to have made them more connected to the world around them, given it doesnt exist. I dont actually think it looked particularly terrible. The QUALITY of the CGI itself may be an issue, the design may be, but I dont think bad green screen is what the problem is.

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Prestoff
05/21/23 2:26:35 AM
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It's just a crappy MCU movie and even on its own merits, especially in its script and writing. The only way to really like it is if you turn off your brains and just don't think about all the stupid in the movie. I'll definately say, out of most of the settings in the MCU, it is fairly creative. The issue is Avatar 2 showed me just how good CGI settings can look and be immersive, which in comparison to this movie looks like garbage fire as a result.

I do think out of all the actors, Jonathan Majors and Michelle Pfiefer are probably the only ones I considered giving it there all because everyone else just looks like they're half assing it. I think that also plays a role why the humor and jokes aren't that funny as well, it just feels like no one is trying. Speaking of those two actors, Janet not even mentioning Kang the Conquerer was one of the most unbelievable things that defy any logic and reason. There was no reason she should've kept that information to herself, which yes I guess it's meant to have a premise but that's just bad writing in general. And speaking of Kang the Conquerer, what a shitty way to introduce a big bad to your universe. The whole first half of the movie was talking about how much we should FEAR him, and yet does show any feats showing why we should fear him. For gods sakes, he fucking loses to ants. He's treated almost no different than a typical forgettable throwaway MCU villain. At least with Thanos, in his first scene in Infinity War, kills 2 characters on screen, leaves 1 almost dead, and fucks up another one. So anytime Thanos was on screen, there was tension a threat because he SHOWS us why we should fear him. Kang just felt like all talk no action.

And by the end, nothing progressed. The whole family is safe and sound on Earth. They're back to square 1 (which to be fair seems to be a common thing with almost all the recent MCU projects so far), but I just felt like I wasted my time with this movie. I could've skipped it and felt like I didn't miss anything crucial for the whole MCU universe. If Kang the Conquerer can show up in a different series/movie and actually show why he's a Big Bad, I rather watch that then what we were given here. The first 2 movies, the stakes were much smaller scale but I thought that's what made the movies work better than they did with this one. Maybe I'm just disapointed because I wanted to like this movie, but couldn't. At least GotG Vol 3 was a way better movie that at least gets my hopes up for Phase 5.

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LiqiudusSnake
05/21/23 2:32:26 AM
#27:


Saw this and Fast X today

This was better

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littlebro07
05/21/23 11:10:55 PM
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Just watched it, thought it was pretty good. Kang was great, hopefully the allegations against Majors turn out to be false so we can see more of him (but if theyre true Im sure Marvel will get a good replacement, multiverse stuff makes it easier)

Extremely disappointed we didnt get a Luis recaps past events scene. Or any Luis whatsoever. They brought back the god damn Baskin Robbins manager but not any of Scotts crew?

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Kastrada
05/22/23 5:15:40 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Extremely disappointed we didnt get a Luis recaps past events scene. Or any Luis whatsoever. They brought back the god damn Baskin Robbins manager but not any of Scotts crew?

T.I. and his wife had sex trafficking allegations levied at them. He wasn't scripted to be in the movie in the first place but no way is he coming back either.

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ZevLoveDOOM
05/22/23 5:24:25 AM
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i saw it the other day and yeah, while i did like Paul Rudd and Jonathan Majors in this, can't say i cared much for the movie overall...
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rexcrk
05/22/23 5:28:33 AM
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Id say its a combination of superhero fatigue and setting expectations way too high.


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wackyteen
05/22/23 5:32:51 AM
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CableZL posted...
I had my complaints about it, but I thought it was decent.


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MedeaLysistrata
05/22/23 6:13:51 AM
#33:


it just made too much of a show of "yea, i've had my fill, time to pass the torch"

only people with kids can appreciate that

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008Zulu
05/22/23 6:30:08 AM
#34:


Darren/MODOK's heel turn at the end made no sense.
Someone with access to knowledge of all of time and technology, got taken out by ants.
Janet not talking about Kang made no sense.
Luis didn't do the intro/recap.
Why did all the Kang's act like British yahoos at a football match?

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ZevLoveDOOM
05/22/23 8:49:45 AM
#35:


yeah, what was up with the whole MODOK thing despite the horrendous effects...

MODOK: "I'm a dick!"

Ant-Girl: "Then stop being one!"

MODOK: "Ugh, okay..."

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/22/23 8:53:46 AM
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The movie just felt very anticlimactic to me. It wasn't horrible. But I don't feel like an Ant-Man movie was the place to introduce Kang. MODOK should have either been a main villain who was working for Kang, OR this movie should have just been rewritten to be a Fantastic Four movie, where the threat of Kang feels a bit more appropriate.

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VeggetaX
05/22/23 8:54:18 AM
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MODOK has been characterized as a joke character forever now. He's supposed to look ugly and silly, and the horrendous effects was supposed to directly say that about him and yet here we are with people being completely oblivious to that point.

No different from the people who thought Tidus laugh was cringe. Like, that was the point LMAO.

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ZevLoveDOOM
05/22/23 8:56:03 AM
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that's the thing: out of everyone they could have chosen to go against Kang, they had to go with the guy who shrinks and grows in size. seriously Marvel, what the hell... lol
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Avirosb
05/22/23 8:59:00 AM
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I didn't watch it since everything Marvel kinda blends together now.
It's all internally inconsistent nano-tech space magic with human beings everywhere.

Though it helps that it stars an antivaxxer so I have an excuse to avoid it.

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VeggetaX
05/22/23 9:00:18 AM
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Avirosb posted...
I didn't watch it since everything Marvel kinda blends together now.
It's all internally inconsistent nano-tech space magic with human beings everywhere.
Welcome to the shitstorm. I'm sure we'll hit a MCU reset sooner or later.

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/22/23 9:02:16 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
MODOK has been characterized as a joke character forever now. He's supposed to look ugly and silly, and the horrendous effects was supposed to directly say that about him and yet here we are with people being completely oblivious to that point.

This is only half true. Yes, there's some comics where they take MODOK in a comedic direction, but just as often he's still treated as a legitimate threat. Maybe not on the level of someone like Loki or Thanos, but he's at least on par with someone like Leader.

MODOK was just a shit character in Quatumania, plain and simple.

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darkmaian23
05/22/23 9:09:38 AM
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I'll list my own complaints since others have done it:
  1. Kang's character was inconsistent. He went out of his way to be direct and in control of situations. Even after Janet learned the truth from his ship's power core, he still offered to take her home because he said he would, and that offer seemed genuine. Later he refuses to give Ant-Man his daughter back simply because if he hadn't the movie would have ended with them going home and Kang doing his thing instead of Ant-Man fighting to get his daughter back.
  2. That second post-credit scene made many of those Kangs look crazy and almost silly instead of intelligent and threatening.
  3. Kang and Janet were the only two characters being played by people who cared about the film. Ant-Man's actor especially was phoning it in.
  4. The core human drama elements didn't work. Did anyone watching the film actually care about Ant-Man's relationship with his daughter? Are we supposed to feel sympathetic towards Janet for the shame she felt apparently overwhelming any obligation to let the world know bout an insane super villain who has successfully conquered parallel universes, and whose first order of business upon escaping would be to exact vengeance upon Earth if he ever got free? It never occurred to her with active research on applications of the Pym particle taking place that eventually someone would make the mistake of helping enable Kang's escape? Or her complete inability to talk about what's happening when they do get to the quantum realm?
  5. It didn't feel like an Ant-Man movie. Any hero or team of heroes could have gotten sucked down into the quantum realm and the movie wouldn't have changed much. Ant-Man's size changing gimmick really didn't matter in a place like the quantum realm, except for that part where he needed to get the power core, but that trial could have been swapped out for a different character or a different set of powers.

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Ar0ge
05/22/23 9:10:06 AM
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Surprised no one was mentioned Cassie.

Most of her lines were horrible. And I felt her and Paul Rudd didn't have much chemistry on screen together.
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
05/22/23 11:39:22 AM
#44:


Ar0ge posted...
Surprised no one was mentioned Cassie.

Most of her lines were horrible. And I felt her and Paul Rudd didn't have much chemistry on screen together.

I felt this was somewhat purposeful. He missed 5 years of her growing up and he is kinda done his fighting while she is wanting to fight and save the world.

They are at vastly different points in their lives and careers as heroes. It is very obvious they love each other and somewhat desperately want the other to come around to their point of view. They have a loving relationship as family, but vastly different in terms of their views for the future.

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VeggetaX
05/23/23 8:55:22 AM
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Just finished it. With how many people are saying they're unhappy with how the movie ended you'd think the movie ended with some sort of cliffhanger but naw. It was your usual popcorn MCU movie. You're crazy if you expected more.

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Xenogears15
05/23/23 8:55:55 AM
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I only didn't like how bad the CGI was. Otherwise, it was a fun ride for me.

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Were_Wyrm
05/23/23 8:57:41 AM
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Some people just don't like cinema.

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MabusIncarnate
05/23/23 9:00:34 AM
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I thought it was good, I wish they had gone more with a leathery-creature looking human head for MODOK over what they did, which was kind of stretch and flatten a normal human head. It just looked way strange to me, and him with his metal mask on looked badass, which they only showed for like ten seconds.

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Zonbei
05/23/23 8:01:32 PM
#49:


VeggetaX posted...
Just finished it. With how many people are saying they're unhappy with how the movie ended you'd think the movie ended with some sort of cliffhanger but naw. It was your usual popcorn MCU movie. You're crazy if you expected more.

They wanted this specific Kang to murder some people and then for the ending to foreshadow the entirety of the arc for the remainder of the MCU, rather than this specific kang to lose and then the ending foreshadow the rest of this arc.

They want Kang to be exactly thanos, but again when really hes a different sort of threat entirely.

basically people expect things for no reason and then whine when they dont happen.

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