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HylianFox 05/18/23 2:57:54 AM #1:	At its most basic, it goes: It is better to believe in God, die, and have him turn out to not be real, than to not* believe in God, turn out that he is real, and end up in Hell.* It's essentially a "what do you have to lose?" approach to the threat of eternal damnation. --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:973544961] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>At its most basic, it goes:It is better to believe in God, die, and have him turn out to not be real, than to not believe in God, turn out that he is real, and end up in Hell.It's essentially a "what do you have to lose?" approach to the threat of eternal damnation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 05/18/23 2:59:06 AM #2:	It's bullshit. Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:973544975] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>It's bullshit.<quote>Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 05/18/23 3:01:50 AM #3:	it's dumb. it presupposes one specific god, and doesn't take into account various things - multiple gods, a god of a different faith/a faith that is unknown, a god (or gods) that don't want to be worshipped, and so on. --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/bmh5oq <cite>boxoto posted [p:973544997] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>it's dumb. it presupposes one specific god, and doesn't take into account various things - multiple gods, a god of a different faith/a faith that is unknown, a god (or gods) that don't want to be worshipped, and so on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheDeadMoon 05/18/23 3:03:28 AM #4:	Doesn't it kinda get thrown out the window if you introduce other God's/religions? It's assuming that the Christian God is the only true one, but you are just as equally screwed if say, you worship God and then find out Zeus is the real deity you should be worshipping. --- http://streetfighter.opticplay.com//go_files/images/thumbs/dan-beatinupken.gif 3DS FC: 1805-2490-3207 <cite>TheDeadMoon posted [p:973545011] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't it kinda get thrown out the window if you introduce other God's/religions? It's assuming that the Christian God is the only true one, but you are just as equally screwed if say, you worship God and then find out Zeus is the real deity you should be worshipping. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KajeI 05/18/23 3:03:49 AM #5:	pegusus123456 posted... Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as a kid. If there's some form of hell that I go to because I didn't suck this particular god's dick enough out of all the possible options, then that isn't a god I want to involve myself with anyway. --- Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is! <cite>KajeI posted [p:973545013] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.</quote>That's pretty much the conclusion I came to as a kid. If there's some form of hell that I go to because I didn't suck this particular god's dick enough out of all the possible options, then that isn't a god I want to involve myself with anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainStrong 05/18/23 3:04:29 AM #6:	It's a stupid argument that's been torn to shreds a million times. <cite>CaptainStrong posted [p:973545019] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>It's a stupid argument that's been torn to shreds a million times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 05/18/23 3:05:29 AM #7:	i have a lot of thoughts about it but at the end of the day it's intellectually lazy in my opinion there are more compelling and well reasoned cases to be made for theism or at least the frameworks it justifies --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png <cite>TheMikh posted [p:973545028] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>i have a lot of thoughts about it but at the end of the day it's intellectually lazy in my opinionthere are more compelling and well reasoned cases to be made for theism or at least the frameworks it justifies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 05/18/23 3:10:05 AM #8:	boxoto posted... it's dumb. it presupposes one specific god, and doesn't take into account various things - multiple gods, a god of a different faith/a faith that is unknown, a god (or gods) that don't want to be worshipped, and so on. TheDeadMoon posted... Doesn't it kinda get thrown out the window if you introduce other God's/religions? It's assuming that the Christian God is the only true one, but you are just as equally screwed if say, you worship God and then find out Zeus is the real deity you should be worshipping. These. Even if god(s) exists, we have no idea which it is. And then you have to wonder, if you "root for the wrong team", will that be looked upon as bad as avoiding the question entirely... or viewed even worse? Hell, Pascal's Wager is so fucking stupid that in practice it encourages worshiping dark/evil gods or Satan. "If god turns out to be good, he'll forgive me and if I'm right, the dark lord will reward my servitude" vs. "If got turns out to be good, he'll reward my servitude, but if he turns out to be evil...he's really gonna have FUN with me for eternity...." <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:973545070] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>boxoto posted... </cite><quote>it's dumb.it presupposes one specific god, and doesn't take into account various things - multiple gods, a god of a different faith/a faith that is unknown, a god (or gods) that don't want to be worshipped, and so on.</quote>TheDeadMoon posted... </cite><quote>Doesn't it kinda get thrown out the window if you introduce other God's/religions? It's assuming that the Christian God is the only true one, but you are just as equally screwed if say, you worship God and then find out Zeus is the real deity you should be worshipping.</quote>These. Even if god(s) exists, we have no idea which it is. And then you have to wonder, if you "root for the wrong team", will that be looked upon as bad as avoiding the question entirely... or viewed even worse?Hell, Pascal's Wager is so fucking stupid that in practice it encourages worshiping dark/evil gods or Satan. "If god turns out to be good, he'll forgive me and if I'm right, the dark lord will reward my servitude" vs. "If got turns out to be good, he'll reward my servitude, but if he turns out to be evil...he's really gonna have FUN with me for eternity...."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mercurydude 05/18/23 3:22:25 AM #9:	If there's a God and our belief in him is that important to him, he would have given irrefutable proof of his existence or better yet would regularly keep in touch with his creation. And I don't mean via bullshit anecdotes from grifters on 700 Club. I mean pillar of fire type shit and directly speaking to humanity. If he's willing to damn people for eternity because they had imperfect understanding of his existence, which he himself guaranteed would be the case from the moment of their birth, then he's not moral, is troll-like in his behavior, and isn't worth trusting anyway. The lack of compassion from the supposedly "all-knowing and omnipresent" being is also very telling. Pascal's Wager is basically just another bogeyman tactic, but whereas those stories are used to get children to behave or eat their veggies, this one's used to try to scare adults away from using their brains or learning "too much" about other cultures and religions. --- God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, 'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose. - Everlast <cite>mercurydude posted [p:973545152] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>If there's a God and our belief in him is that important to him, he would have given irrefutable proof of his existence or better yet would regularly keep in touch with his creation. And I don't mean via bullshit anecdotes from grifters on 700 Club. I mean pillar of fire type shit and directly speaking to humanity. If he's willing to damn people for eternity because they had imperfect understanding of his existence, which he himself guaranteed would be the case from the moment of their birth, then he's not moral, is troll-like in his behavior, and isn't worth trusting anyway. The lack of compassion from the supposedly "all-knowing and omnipresent" being is also very telling. Pascal's Wager is basically just another bogeyman tactic, but whereas those stories are used to get children to behave or eat their veggies, this one's used to try to scare adults away from using their brains or learning "too much" about other cultures and religions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 05/18/23 3:25:20 AM #10:	god would laugh at that goofy shit --- https://i.imgur.com/3AnUKs6.jpg ~ Voted Best Poster On GameFAQs 16 Years Straight ~ <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:973545167] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>god would laugh at that goofy shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PballDepot 05/18/23 3:32:32 AM #11:	It makes sense, but believing in God doesn't necessarily mean you have to believe all the other crazy religion stuff that people have attached to it. --- https://i.imgur.com/3nl5l.png <cite>PballDepot posted [p:973545214] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>It makes sense, but believing in God doesn't necessarily mean you have to believe all the other crazy religion stuff that people have attached to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 05/18/23 3:36:37 AM #12:	the wager Pascal thought he was making: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/1/AACJCFAAEfLt.png the wager he was actually making: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/2/AACJCFAAEfLu.jpg --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! You know me, I'm a big fan of subtlety. But that's downright cryptic. <cite>Medussa posted [p:973545252] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>the wager Pascal thought he was making:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/1/AACJCFAAEfLt.png the wager he was actually making:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/2/AACJCFAAEfLu.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 05/18/23 4:16:31 AM #13:	CaptainStrong posted... It's a stupid argument that's been torn to shreds a million times. --- When money talks for the very last time, and nobody walks a step behind When there's only one race, and that's mankind, then we shall be free <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:973545557] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>CaptainStrong posted... </cite><quote>It's a stupid argument that's been torn to shreds a million times.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/18/23 4:20:02 AM #14:	It's a matter of faith, not choice. --- (We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thang <cite>ai123 posted [p:973545579] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>It's a matter of faith, not choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToasterStrudeI 05/18/23 6:35:59 AM #15:	ai123 posted... It's a matter of faith, not choice. Lolwut --- http://error1355.com/ce/ToasterStrudeI.html <cite>ToasterStrudeI posted [p:973546478] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>It's a matter of faith, not choice.</quote>Lolwut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 05/18/23 6:39:34 AM #16:	it makes a lot of assumptions about the nature of god while pretending not to. --- https://i.imgur.com/286sD4e.png http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html <cite>Choco posted [p:973546502] in What do yo... [t:80447591]...</cite> <quote>it makes a lot of assumptions about the nature of god while pretending not to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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