Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 9: Square Eyes

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@EDumey

I'll drop my tinfoil on you for now to see if scum just night kill you lol.

Also because after reading your wall, my read is a bit misguided. I guess there was more Sultan momentum on d2 than ctes, and I just remembered you have to choose your action during the day so the BG flip couldn't stop you from adding Chris to the hood. I can't fault you for thinking Chris was doc because I thought the third visitor was too lol.

I guess I'm more annoyed that you didn't listen to me on the Death and Sultan lynches when town would be in a better position if we did but shrug.

Plus I feel like you're kind of threadspewed (everyone just trs you including mafia who is TMI'ing you).

@Corrik7

ctes is probably backup that took the untargetable

i doubt he's going to flip godfather but if he does yay

but even if he doesn't, why in your mind does there have to be a godfather? why not a ninja? do you think ctes is a ninja backup if final mafia is godfather?

i am telling you right now (and everyone else because lol) if you just use Occam's razor and take me as town for being scanned as town, your time in this game will be so much easier

@MZero

confidence 1-10 that EDumey is town?

Starting to think he might be town again but like I can lock it in if you're certain.

Trying to build a towncore here. with 7 alive I need 3 others that I trust.

I'm thinking EDumey and SBell are my best townreads besides you obviously but wallz seemed to think otherwise

Ulti said Chris was mafia for not dying n1 over a cop
Corrik said Chris was mafia because Lea lowposted and eventually subbed out

Both of these feel like bullshit, but at least one comes from town lol

Maybe I need to look at Ulti/Chris interactions again

UnderUrMattress posted...

Ulti said Chris was mafia for not dying n1 over a cop
Corrik said Chris was mafia because Lea lowposted and eventually subbed out

Both of these feel like bullshit, but at least one comes from town lol

Maybe I need to look at Ulti/Chris interactions again

Did not say what you said, for the record.

One thing I will say is. Lopen only gave 3 scum flavors when I asked him about them. Then when I said what about the 4th. He was like oh um yeah and gave a 4th.

I am not 100% discounting the idea that there are just 3 scum on their team (or at least 3 scum they are aware of on their team) and a 4th possibly untethered scum.

It's a very low shot of confidence, and if so, I feel like that has to be sbell. But, again, Ctes flip will clear pretty much everything up as far as what we are looking for here. Like, I won't be entirely surprised if Ctes is Ninja Godfather Backup Jack of All Trades (Gets dead scum powers as 1 use powers). Which sounds silly, but he was sending the kills in with a spent strongman there while a watcher was still active.

It's super low confidence of a theory, and it's something we can get to after Ctes flips his role. But, it's a possibility. There is zero reason to go astray with it.

UnderUrMattress posted...

@Corrik7

ctes is probably backup that took the untargetable

i doubt he's going to flip godfather but if he does yay

but even if he doesn't, why in your mind does there have to be a godfather? why not a ninja? do you think ctes is a ninja backup if final mafia is godfather?

I think Ctes can be basically almost anything right now. We know they blew through the commuter on peaf despite their strongman spent. We also know they blocked Sultans kill and ctes wanted to which is why he voted Sultan to -1.

So, a backup is in play in some form. A ninja almost assuredly exists as does a godfather.

If he flips godfather, it does 100% clear you, Marth. You have been scanned town.

If he doesn't, it clears Sbell.

Ulti is a possibility but it's so low percentage he could be scum. It requires Lopen to tether to someone who absolutely would mean he would be dead if ulti ever flipped.

I'm not gonna discount it 100% because Lopen does some off the wall nonsense at times, but it's hella dumb and makes zero sense to do.

UnderUrMattress posted...

confidence 1-10 that EDumey is town?

Starting to think he might be town again but like I can lock it in if you're certain.

Trying to build a towncore here. with 7 alive I need 3 others that I trust.

I'm thinking EDumey and SBell are my best townreads besides you obviously but wallz seemed to think otherwise

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if scum does have a backup, it makes Dumey slightly more likely to be scum because bussing Lopen is more realistic, but their interaction still didn't look planned. I do have confirmation that wallz successfully targeted Dumey N4, so he's at the very least not untargetable.

I'm still pretty sure Dumey is town though

MZero posted...

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if scum does have a backup, it makes Dumey slightly more likely to be scum because bussing Lopen is more realistic, but their interaction still didn't look planned. I do have confirmation that wallz successfully targeted Dumey N4, so he's at the very least not untargetable.

I'm still pretty sure Dumey is town though

my guess is ctes is the backup

and if mafia REALLY wanted to backup lopen's role they would have done it right after he died

but i don't ctes backup'd until after chris was lynched, because he almost definitely got rbed. wouldn't have been rbed if he backed up earlier. and he didn't even take chris' role he took lopen's role

so i don't think there was a bus lopen ---> have backup immediately take his role plan.

although in hindsight that would be really smart.

but i think ctes only backuped because he got rbed and didn't want to be rbed again, not because edumey orchestrated some bus

but corrik has a good point

chris was a spent strongman, and also guiltied by wallz, more or less, but ctes was sending the kills. maybe you're absolutely right and he is flipping ninja.

UnderUrMattress posted...

but i don't ctes backup'd until after chris was lynched, because he almost definitely got rbed. wouldn't have been rbed if he backed up earlier. and he didn't even take chris' role he took lopen's role

it's possible ctes only backs up the roleblocker part and not the untargetable part. In my Paper Mario game, Luigi backed up Mario but was a weaker version

my vote is on ctes in spirit and won't go anywhere else.

i'm very curious about his flip, but i'll be patient about that and wait for people to say what they need to say if they need to say anything.

MZero posted...

it's possible ctes only backs up the roleblocker part and not the untargetable part. In my Paper Mario game, Luigi backed up Mario but was a weaker version

so the inverse of red's role

red went from weaker --> stronger
ctes goes from stronger --> weaker

in hindsight i'm a fucking dumbass for ever believing chris lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

Already have.

based.

UnderUrMattress posted...

in hindsight i'm a fucking dumbass for ever believing chris lol

Yeah. We know.

MZero posted...

it's possible ctes only backs up the roleblocker part and not the untargetable part. In my Paper Mario game, Luigi backed up Mario but was a weaker version

i think you might be right lmao

i think corrik is on the money with the ninja due to him leading kills over chris who was basically a vanilla mafia after night 1 and was also guiltied. can't see any other mafia role leading a kill there besides one that can't be detected.

and untargetable and ninja albeit different, are similar enough to where they would clash. so yeah he probably just backuped the roleblocker powers and got rbed as ninja. tough luck.

wait no he's still untargetable

he survived the shot from sultan

n1: red strongman'd
d2: lopen lynched as untargetable roleblocker
n2: peaf commuted and mafia targeted him
d3: death is lynched
n3: mafia target is unknown since ctes was roleblocked, but he could not have converted at this point as the kill was unsuccessful
d4: chris is lynched
n4: mafia successfully killed peaf while he was commuting. only possible with strongman (used already) or a roleblocker (dead, but got backed up most likely by ctes)
d4: sultan is lynched, presumably shot ctes who doesn't die

so he backuped lopen on night 4. too far away for dumey to bus to gain cred from it. (tbf he might have tried to convert night 3 and got roleblocked, but still)

why the hell are there two votes on corrik over a very likely ninja backup turned into untargetable roleblocker

we need to get this role tf out of here. tbf he has been cheating death for such a long time lol.

my vote is on ctes in spirit im just not in a rush to hammer

MZero posted...

my vote is on ctes in spirit im just not in a rush to hammer

sameeee

what is your read on sbell?

ok well now i think it's corrik7 because why the hell would you hammer sultan there, while you thought he was town, and you had others advocating for him being town or at least, not wanting a hammer, and when you theorize that ctes is potentially a "Ninja Godfather Backup Jack of All Trades" in fact if i remember correctly, you made sure that sultan was on ctes so that the shot would fail.

but we'll lynch ctes today, even though it is tempting to vote corrik lol.

sbell: don't hammer
marth: i veto sultan lynch
corrik: i think sultan is town
ctes: L-1's sultan
sultan: im shooting u ctes hehe
corrik: votes sultan
ctes: doesn't die

it's corrik here for sure but nice job with the bussing

i just remembered that corrik voted me d1 because i pushed him for something lopen said

then he immediately backed off of me

perhaps because that was cause i was starting to get the breadcrumbs of lopen being mafia...??

Host Action
Strongman
Redirection
Bus Driving
Roleblocking
Kidnapping/Commuting
Common Actions
Regular Killing Actions
Post-Death Actions

I see now. Ctes didn't need a strongman shot. He just needed to roleblock Peaf.

Ctes backed up lopen.

Ctes first shot into Peaf was assuming Peaf wasn't commuter so he didn't roleblock peaf also and got blocked. Night 2

Peaf then jailkept ctes and ctes didn't roleblock peaf. So peafs jailkeep superceded the untargetable and also blocked the kill. Night 3

Night 4
Ctes roleblocks the commute from Peaf and shoots him. It wasn't a strongman.

Sultan fails killing action because it resolves after untargetable. Scum is gonna complain that peafs jailkeep blocked ctes kill tho and superseded the untargetable.

Corrik7 posted...

Host Action
Strongman
Redirection
Bus Driving
Roleblocking
Kidnapping/Commuting
Common Actions
Regular Killing Actions
Post-Death Actions

I see now. Ctes didn't need a strongman shot. He just needed to roleblock Peaf.

Ctes backed up lopen.

Ctes first shot into Peaf was assuming Peaf wasn't commuter so he didn't roleblock peaf also and got blocked. Night 2

Peaf then jailkept ctes and ctes didn't roleblock peaf. So peafs jailkeep superceded the untargetable and also blocked the kill. Night 3

Night 4
Ctes roleblocks the commute from Peaf and shoots him. It wasn't a strongman.

Sultan fails killing action because it resolves after untargetable. Scum is gonna complain that peafs jailkeep blocked ctes kill tho and superseded the untargetable.

there's no way that jailkeep supercedes untargetable

*supersedes

UnderUrMattress posted...

there's no way that jailkeep supercedes untargetable

I see nothing in that host Action priority list that states otherwise.

Corrik7 posted...

I see nothing in that host Action priority list that states otherwise.

i feel like that's a passive ability

UnderUrMattress posted...

i feel like that's a passive ability

You can roleblock passive abilities.

It's not actionblock. It is roleblock. The question is how does sheep resolve him being targeted to be roleblocked. I can't answer that and I assume scum will be crying foul after the game.

However, ctes couldn't have been blocked from the nightkill if you believe the roleblock didn't supersede the untargetable. And if you don't believe it could be superseded, then you don't believe he is untargetable then or you believe scum purposely no killed. Because there is no explanation for the block then.

Sultan definitely shot ctes and ctes definitely lived. So you either believe the jailkeep roleblock superseded the untargetable or you believe scum purposely no killed that night, because Ctes definitely just lived a shot from Sultan.

I think untargetable is like this role, except also immune to kills

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

if a roleblocker tried to roleblock an ascetic mafia then the roleblock would fail, given that all actions besides killing actions fail against the ascetic

if ctes is untargetable and roleblocked, the rb would fail given that he's untargetable

idk where that falls on sheep's list, or what you're trying to accomplish but yeah.

UnderUrMattress posted...

i just remembered that corrik voted me d1 because i pushed him for something lopen said

then he immediately backed off of me

perhaps because that was cause i was starting to get the breadcrumbs of lopen being mafia...??

Incorrect. I voted you because you said Sultan was town. Then voted Sultan and said it was for like "thread mental health" then I picked out your post that was fabricated and you said I was a wolf distancing myself from pairing with Sultan, when I was ardently defending Sultan SINCE DAY 1 MIND YOU. And when you apologized and admitted you mistakenly put my name in there, I unvoted you because it seemed like a genuine town mistake and apology.

UnderUrMattress posted...

I think untargetable is like this role, except also immune to kills

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

if a roleblocker tried to roleblock an ascetic mafia then the roleblock would fail, given that all actions besides killing actions fail against the ascetic

if ctes is untargetable and roleblocked, the rb would fail given that he's untargetable

idk where that falls on sheep's list, or what you're trying to accomplish but yeah.

Then you think scum no killed night 3 on purpose.

no i think chris probably led the kill on n2 but failed due to commuter so they swapped gears to ctes n3 so the kill had a better chance of going through, but ctes tried to convert to lopen's role and failed.

If you wanna open up onto me for a possible mislynch, you are going to have to do better than that, Marth. I can go round and round all day with you picking apart any argument against me. I have consistently wanted to lynch scum all game. I have only been sidetracked by town power misleading us and by people wanting to test a towns power. I have been laser focused on scum the entire game.

Your best argument is that I have just been bussing all game and been too accurate tbqh.

my best argument is that you hammered sultan for ??? reasons

and sultan failed to kill ctes so yes i am going to be suspicious of you.

UnderUrMattress posted...

no i think chris probably led the kill on n2 but failed due to commuter so they swapped gears to ctes n3 so the kill had a better chance of going through, but ctes tried to convert to lopen's role and failed.

Impossible. If ctes absorbed lopens role, it happened after night 1.

Also, he has the power by night 3 for sure.

If he tried to "convert" to lopens role and failed night 3. Then it means he had to convert night 4. Which means he couldn't have had the roleblock to shoot through peaf that night.

UnderUrMattress posted...

my best argument is that you hammered sultan for ??? reasons

My reasons are literally in the topic that day. Are you failing to read? Against my wishes, mzero presented an argument that if we killed ctes outright that Sultan wouldn't know who to reliably point at and might point at town and scum would take the opportunity to kill him there to get 2 town kills.

I was the one arguing vehemently to lynch ctes first against confirmed town. When I realized I didn't have the votes from confirmed town, there was no point anymore.

Again. You are going to have to do better if you want my mislynch.

i am saying that he converted on night 4 probably

gosh i sound like i have too much info but

chris was probably leading n2 kill due to being caught by watcher and also using up his powers already
then after hitting the commuter, they realize they needed to do something different so ctes attempts to back up and fails due to being roleblocked
then successfully backs up on night 4 due to not being roleblocked

i am quite positive that kill would not have failed if he was untargetable.

I actually didn't want to lynch Sultan at all. I have said he is town since day 1 cuz it's obvious af and was 100% obvious after Lopens stuff day 2. But, if yinz wanted to test him, I wanted to do it the day after ctes was lynched because it could eliminate a possible suspect instead of confirmed town. Mzero convinced me I shouldn't trust Sultan pointing at night tho to do that on his own. Especially worrisome because Sultan was stating things about possibly confirmed town mzero being scum.

UnderUrMattress posted...

i am saying that he converted on night 4 probably

gosh i sound like i have too much info but

chris was probably leading n2 kill due to being caught by watcher and also using up his powers already
then after hitting the commuter, they realize they needed to do something different so ctes attempts to back up and fails due to being roleblocked
then successfully backs up on night 4 due to not being roleblocked

i am quite positive that kill would not have failed if he was untargetable.

He can't have shot through peafs commute if he converted night 4.

Your idea (which completely out of sorts for board 8 in general) is just impossible.