Current Events > The marine that killed a homeless man in NYC will be getting charged

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2nd Degree Manslaughter seems accurate here now the more I keep thinking about the situation.

I'm wondering what they'll actually end up charging him with though. The vocal public will want him charged with murder, but he'll walk because I don't see them ever bring able to prove that. Then people will complain about a justice system that they don't understand. Hopefully they approach this responsibly and dont cave to the pressure. He deserves punishment for sure.

How many of you live in big cities with mass transit that you use everyday?

Also, why did the marine feel he needed to apply unending pressure for 15 minutes? He couldn't let up every once in a while ao the poor guy could get some air?

Anyway, apparently there is a cut piece of the original video, where one of the helpers warns the marine that the victim is dying and that he might get charged with murder

They knew they were killing him

He gets a sham trial when he should be getting a key to the city

How many of you live in big cities with mass transit that you use everyday?

According to Juan it was at least 5 minutes and not 15 minutes. That's the source all the news articles post about. It's why everyone said 15 or 3 minutes before. But Juan also edited his post from 15 minutes down to at least 5 minutes. So everyone is unsure on the time.

Regardless, where's the cut part from the video? Or the source that claims that? I'm curious to look into that.

He gets a sham trial when he should be getting a key to the city, pathetic. Leaving ny was a wise decision.

I wonder if the total time neely served between his 42 arrests will be more or less than the time the man who protected the city from neely will serve.

...Turn himself in....

I already posted what murder is in NY, it's not gonna happen unless Daniel has a diary saying how much he wants to kill Neely or some crazy shit. INTENT is the crucial part to prove to even get to murder. Best people will get is 2nd degree manslaughter if they can get it. And 1st degree manslaughter is the murder of passion essentially. Can't see that coming to fruition either.

Only in America where being a public nuisance and bothering people in a public transit service is perfectly acceptable and the rest of the functioning society had to bare it.

"So you accidentally tripped into the dude, and then used his neck to try and regain balance, in a full out rear naked choke hold, for 5 minutes, while the dude died in your arms"

"Yes your honor"

"Damn, guess it'll have to be manslaughter!"

More posts justifying murder. CE sure is having another normal one again.

Only in America where being a public nuisance and bothering people in a public transit service is perfectly acceptable and the rest of the functioning society had to bare it.

If you read my original post. Yes. That would fall under "reckless" according to NY laws.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80440290/973410942
Here's the link to reread it, there's no interpretation on my part, I quoted the relevant part of the law directly.

You can tell who rides public transit and who doesn't. Lot of fucking wackos out there and dangerous ones at that.

You can tell who rides public transit and who doesn't. Lot of fucking wackos out there and dangerous ones at that.

Lot of fucking wackos out there and dangerous ones at that.

Never a good sight when two people with mental health issues go at each other.

@Muflaggin
Do you believe this man deserved to be choked to death?

Intent doesn't mean "has documented written evidence of the intent"

Intent can be inferred through behavior. Like deciding to randomly choke somebody for and extended period of time until they die.

• "A person acts RECKLESSLY with respect to a death when that person engages in conduct which creates or contributes to a substantial and unjustifiable risk that another person's death will occur,
• and when he or she is aware of and consciously disregards that risk,
• and when that risk is of such nature and degree that disregard of it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of conduct that a reasonable person would observe in the situation."

I look forward to seeing you lose this account for attempting to justify choking homeless people to death.

Post 79,

jesus man. He literally spent his time to try to explain it to you, and you didnt even bother quoting it.

Never a good sight when two people with mental health issues go at each other.

You can tell who rides public transit and who doesn't. Lot of fucking wackos out there and dangerous ones at that.

Only in America where being a public nuisance and bothering people in a public transit service is perfectly acceptable and the rest of the functioning society had to bare it.

I deleted it because it was a bit mean. But it was that way partly because coming to the conclusion "i cant be charged with murder as long as I dont write anything down" is so ridiculous that I cant imagine reaching it unless you are working in bad faith or desperately in the weeds of motivated reasoning.

How many people can imply they would murder homeless people on the subway in one topic?

Not to butt in but how would these people should have acted when threatened in a confined space with no safe exit?

Its the same as on a plane btw

Not to butt in but how would these people should have acted when threatened in a confined space with no safe exit?

Its the same as on a plane btw

I feel like manslaughter is going to be the one that has the best chance of sticking.

why did no one in NYC try getting that homeless man some help these past 10 years?! the dude was clearly out of his mind and was a danger to others but he didnt deserve to die! if he had gotten some mental help this needless death wouldnt have happened! *hug*

The majority of people on that train, and every other train Neely had been on, did not choke him to death. That's how real New Yorkers deal with erratic people on the subway every day.

They did try many times. After the last one, where he broke the skull of a 67 year old woman, instead of being sent to prison for felony assault, he was sent to a prison-alternative mental health treatment facility for 15 months. Which he just walked out of after 2 weeks, and which led to the warrant for his arrest.

This was in February. Over the last 3 months, 3 separate outreach social workers reached out to him. The first one took him to a shelter. The second time, he started pissing on the train in front of them and the police had to be called. He threatened the outreach workers for trying to call the cops.

For the third time, outreach workers found him on Coney Island two weeks before this incident, and wrote down that he was aggressive and incoherent and could hurts other if left untreated. The day before, someone reported being almost pushed on the tracks by him.

What are you supposed do in this situation? Go back to institutionalizing after all the shit that happened with that? Leave them in the streets? This is NYC just letting people out for no real reason.

The day before, someone reported being almost pushed on the tracks by him.

Never a good sight when two people with mental health issues go at each other.

Thankfully BlockWatcher has been suspended for his comment. Lets hope its a ban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/nyregion/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-nyc-subway.html

Where did you find the shove into the tracks? The NYT listed everything else but you mentioned that.

Sadly he is going to walk. America devalues African Americans, and unhoused people. He is both. There have been a number of people online posting pictures of other homeless people breaking the law and claiming it was him. The fact that he was able to turn himself in when ever after killing someone shows us that the state co-signs this .