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Go do some more stinky milk farts. You deserved detention for stinking out the classroom

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Go do some more stinky milk farts. You deserved detention for stinking out the classroom

Bro it was hell. I didn't know why I couldn't stop farting, and of course the person loudly calling attention to it was never "being disruptive". Nor was it "disruptive" when the same teacher who kept writing me up for it had his email alert set to a loud fart sound when I came back from ISS and used it to embarrass me further.

Gremlynn posted...

Bro it was hell. I didn't know why I couldn't stop farting, and of course the person loudly calling attention to it was never "being disruptive". Nor was it "disruptive" when the same teacher who kept writing me up for it had his email alert set to a loud fart sound when I came back from ISS and used it to embarrass me further.

Okay sorry yeah if it felt traumatic then I guess it's trauma. It just sounded a bit funny to me. I got a lot of detentions that I felt were unfair too but I guess this teacher was kind of bullying you which can be scarring.

But I don't see that as what's happening in this video. All my friends who are teachers say the phone situation is out of control. My sister who is one spends more time trying to get kids to behave and pay attention then actually teach, which sucks because she's really passionate about english and history and would run an awesome class with kids who aren't brats. She's soft spoken and in her mid 20s so the kids give her no respect

Gremlynn posted...

It became physical when unwanted physical contact was made.

And what reality do you live in? If the parents don't put their kid through school they can face criminal charges and the kid can be taken by the state and placed in foster care. You HAVE to put your kids through schooling. This means you HAVE to agree to a school's policies.

Or you can pay money you don't have to go to a private school or out of districtc and hope for other policies (like I dunno, a don't fuckin lay hands on a kid unless it's to prevent physical harm policy, not just because they refused to hand over their phone). Or you can quit your job and home school them but woops now there's no food to eat.

This is a really weird hill to die on and I hope you realize how much youre embarrassing yourself for defending assaulting a teacher.

Or, goodness willing, this is an act to get attention, in which case, nice job.

Also the whole "Just give them an instant fail if they use their phone but don't confiscate it" can fly for university and college, but these are still kids in school. They're not fully developed adults yet. You can't just give up on them that easy, you have take on a bit more of a parental like role

Gremlynn posted...

Not after unwanted physical contact was retaliated to.

Students don't have the right to retaliate to consequences for their behavior. The students are 100% in the wrong and you have failed to provide literally any evidence that the teacher has assaulted a student. Your argument is fundamentally flawed because the confiscation of a device is not an assault.
You probably think it's illegal imprisonment when a misbehaving kid is grounded against their will.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Also the whole "Just give them an instant fail if they use their phone but don't confiscate it" can fly for university and college, but these are still kids in school. They're not fully developed adults yet. You can't just give up on them that easy, you have take on a bit more of a parental like role

And the fact the confiscation of a device is an acceptable middle step before involving the principle and parents and removing them entirely from the class like what Grem thinks should be step 1 and the perfect solution to all problems.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Also the whole "Just give them an instant fail if they use their phone but don't confiscate it" can fly for university and college, but these are still kids in school. They're not fully developed adults yet. You can't just give up on them that easy, you have take on a bit more of a parental like role

Fail for that test, not the class. Send them to the office. Look into failing the class if it's repeat behavior otherwise offer an opportunity to take a makeup test.

Neverminding of course that the classes I learned the most from did open note tests instead of rote memorization.

rexcrk posted...

This is a really weird hill to die on and I hope you realize how much youre embarrassing yourself for defending assaulting a teacher.

Or, goodness willing, this is an act to get attention, in which case, nice job.

Ah yes, thinking teachers should keep their hands to themselves unless it's necessary to prevent harm is really embarrassing.

Gremlynn posted...

Ah yes, thinking teachers should keep their hands to themselves unless it's necessary to prevent harm is really embarrassing.

"dont use devices in class" is a necessary lesson to teach

Gremlynn posted...

Ah yes, thinking teachers should keep their hands to themselves unless it's necessary to prevent harm is really embarrassing.

Its always a shame when people with awesome signatures have such garbage takes.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

"dont use devices in class" is a necessary lesson to teach

That lesson can be taught AND the teacher can keep their hands to themselves at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive here.

Gremlynn posted...

That lesson can be taught AND the teacher can keep their hands to themselves at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive here.

Confiscation is an acceptable consequence.

rexcrk posted...

Its always a shame when people with awesome signatures have such garbage takes.

Its a garbage take that teachers should keep their hands to themselves unless they are preventing physical harm?

Wouldn't even tried to take the phone away, just give them a failing grade.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Confiscation is an acceptable consequence.

And if that cannot be done while KEEPING. YOUR. HANDS. TO. YOUR. SELF. then figure out another course of action.

Gremlynn posted...

And if that cannot be done while KEEPING. YOUR. HANDS. TO. YOUR. SELF. then figure out another course of action.

Again youre over exaggerating. All he did was take their device.

Did it fucking teleport? Or did he use his hands. To remove it from her person? Therefor putting his hands on her person? Therefor.... not keeping his hands to himself?

DaTwistedGuns posted...

Wouldn't even tried to take the phone away, just give them a failing grade.

This. So many kids need to be flunked based on their behavior.

I remember I went to a school once where I made all As in class but got Bs at report card time because of behavior. More schools should have that policy.

Gremlynn posted...

Did it fucking teleport? Or did he use his hands. To remove it from her person? Therefor putting his hands on her person? Therefor.... not keeping his hands to himself?

Hes allowed to take their device. They arent allowed to use it.

I think people underestimate just how bad the issue with cell phone usage during instructional time is with students, unless you work in a school setting you wouldn't understand. This is my first year teaching (7th) and these kids can't function without their phones.

It's so annoying when kids zone out on what you are saying within 30 secs and are on their phone browsing TikTok. I'd bet 1k this teacher told her multiple times to put the phone away before confiscating it.

There should be rules and expectations for students to follow, and if they don't then there should be consequences (shocking, I know). If a student can't be bothered enough to listen for 5 minutes or complete their assignments and would rather play on their phone then it should be confiscated until the end of class, if they can't handle that then call security (if they show up in a timely matter) and turn it over to the office.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Hes allowed to take their device. They arent allowed to use it.

And once again, if it cannot be done without creating UNWANTED. PHYSICAL. CONTACT then you figure something else out.

Gremlynn posted...

And once again, if it cannot be done without creating UNWANTED. PHYSICAL. CONTACT then you figure something else out.

They dont want to be in class. Do you think he imprisoned them there?

Why is it every time it comes back to "don't fucking touch people who don't want to be touched" you deflect with "they don't HAVE to be there if they don't want to be!"

Which of course we've already covered is just factually wrong.

Gremlynn posted...

Why is it every time it comes back to "don't fucking touch people who don't want to be touched" you deflect with "they don't HAVE to be there if they don't want to be!"

Which of course we've already covered is just factually wrong.

Because your exaggerations are stupid and any time I bring up imprisonment you have a brief moment of self reflection and then resume dodging

When everyone is an asshole perhaps you are the asshole

DaTwistedGuns posted...

Wouldn't even tried to take the phone away, just give them a failing grade.

Agree. She was in the wrong for everything she did (if the story is as told) but I've long held the opinion that teachers shouldn't be taking shit from kids. Fail them or remove them from class, but whatever you're trying to take isn't yours so you should probably keep your hands away from it

Ah yes the gross exaggeration of DO NOT TOUCH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED.

He clearly did not TOUCH SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED.

Why the fuck are you so insistent that it be acceptable for teachers to TOUCH KIDS WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED?

Dont fucking break the fucking school rules and they wont fucking confiscate the fucking phone.
Fucking stop with this fucking trolling, it is fucking tiresome.

Don't use your phone in class. What's so hard about that? Just do your work and play with your phone on your break or at lunch. Not hard.

I've been saying it in the writer strike topics. Pay teachers more money. They make less than babysitters

She in high school? She looks like 30!

This is why we need Trump back

Gremlynn posted...

Ah yes the gross exaggeration of DO NOT TOUCH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED.

He clearly did not TOUCH SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED.

Why the fuck are you so insistent that it be acceptable for teachers to TOUCH KIDS WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED?

He took their phone, not molested them

Kloe_Rinz posted...

He took their phone, not molested them

Yeah, this is silly. Just put the phone away, it should not be a shocker if it's confiscated after failing to comply.

One minute they're ignoring you during instruction and playing on their phone, the next they're up doing TikTok dances.

Her behavior is so fucking disappointing

I've long held the opinion that teachers shouldn't be taking shit from kids. Fail them or remove them from class, but whatever you're trying to take isn't yours so you should probably keep your hands away from it

i couldn't agree more -- you'd hope and expect a teacher to be able to solve a problem like that without relying on being physical in any way with anyone. they should have the means. and by that, i mean the structure should have answers for them. i think the opposite - even tacitly encouraging this as a resolution - puts teachers in the way of harm and students in the way of abuse.

That girl is complete and utter trash. She has zero class.

I feel so sorry for teachers everywhere. They are putting up with shit like this on the daily.

One of my close friends is a teacher and she tells me horror stories like this all time

Fluttershy posted...

I've long held the opinion that teachers shouldn't be taking shit from kids. Fail them or remove them from class, but whatever you're trying to take isn't yours so you should probably keep your hands away from it

i couldn't agree more -- you'd hope and expect a teacher to be able to solve a problem like that without relying on being physical in any way with anyone. they should have the means. and by that, i mean the structure should have answers for them. i think the opposite - even tacitly encouraging this as a resolution - puts teachers in the way of harm and students in the way of abuse.

In the Reddit thread it says that teachers can lose their jobs if they fail too many students. Also, this teacher has been punched before for doing the same thing? These are just the top comments, and I expect to learn more as I go.

I feel so badly for teachers. Teachers should be the one protesting and going on strike for more money

Gremlynn posted...

And if that cannot be done while KEEPING. YOUR. HANDS. TO. YOUR. SELF. then figure out another course of action.

Nope. Confiscation is an acceptable first action during an exam.

During a normal lesson, the teacher would or should warn them first then confiscate the phone after the student disobeys.

Also, dear god

I just finished skimming this thread and already my brain has turned to mush by reading Gremlynns posts.

In the Reddit thread it says that teachers can lose their jobs if they fail too many students. Also, this teacher has been punched before for doing the same thing?

did you read my post? kinda got a one-way mirror thing going.

Nope. Confiscation is an acceptable first action during an exam.

well, that's part of the issue, then. i'm saying give the teachers more non-physical answers. are you really leaving the enforcement of the policy up to whether or not your teacher can overpower a student for their property?

like, again, it's not even just about the student or the teacher, here. both stand to be hurt because answers are apparently thin.

ZannoL posted...

Also, dear god

I just finished skimming this thread and already my brain has turned to mush by reading Gremlynns posts.

My condolences.

Gremlynn posted...

Why the fuck are you so insistent that it be acceptable for teachers to TOUCH KIDS WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED?

The funniest part of your stupid posts to me is that you dont actually know that the teacher touched the student at all during the confiscation. He could have just picked the phone up from her desk for all we know.

The absolutely moronic hills that some people on CE choose to die on.

Common sense is lost completely on some people.

ZannoL posted...

Also, dear god

I just finished skimming this thread and already my brain has turned to mush by reading Gremlynns posts.

I don't see their posts

Teachers are completely fucked due to the decay of social norms. Kids really do not care in the slightest, because their parents won't care in the slightest, and there isn't a wider sense of community to care. It isn't coincidence that this girl felt it was totally okay to follow the teacher out into the hall and hit him with pepper spray again before demanding her phone back.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Also the whole "Just give them an instant fail if they use their phone but don't confiscate it" can fly for university and college, but these are still kids in school. They're not fully developed adults yet. You can't just give up on them that easy, you have take on a bit more of a parental like role

Parents paid for the phone, teachers don't.

DuneMan posted...

Teachers are completely fucked due to the decay of social norms. Kids really do not care in the slightest, because their parents won't care in the slightest, and there isn't a wider sense of community to care. It isn't coincidence that this girl felt it was totally okay to follow the teacher out into the hall and hit him with pepper spray again before demanding her phone back.

They were so chill about it as well. Not about the phone, but about the assault. Seemed like just another day for them.