Current Events > A 15yo girl got sentenced for Life in helping set up a murder in Florida.

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It's less about this specific case and more that mandatory sentencing requirements always end up causing more harm than good. The law just isn't so clear-cut that you can apply a "all people involved in murder get life" rule. Maybe that is the case for this situation. But we've all heard stories about a someone who murdered their rapist. Did they break the law, yes. Should they see some punishment, probably. Should that punishment be life? Well with mandatory sentencing, that's what has to happen.

Compsognathus posted...

It's less about this specific case and more that mandatory sentencing requirements always end up causing more harm than good. The law just isn't so clear-cut that you can apply a "all people involved in murder get life" rule. Maybe that is the case for this situation. But we've all heard stories about a someone who murdered their rapist. Did they break the law, yes. Should they see some punishment, probably. Should that punishment be life? Well with mandatory sentencing, that's what has to happen.

Isn't that what crimes of passion are? They sometimes reduce those to voluntary manslaughter if it's some situation like that.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

Isn't that what crimes of passion are? They sometimes reduce those to voluntary manslaughter if it's some situation like that.

Crimes of passion have specific requirements that most would not fall under. Besides, Cael's post specifically said "no exceptions".

No exceptions removed nuance, and if there was one thing that should always have nuance, it's the law. No to cases will ever be the same and no two outcomes should ever inherently be the same.

The victim will never be able to come home to their family, the perps and all involved should never see daylight again

Another JCS rip-off channel
Hate those.

eggcorn posted...

ah ok you can shut the fuck up

Just saying my tags and why it's an inherent agree to disagree.

gmanthebest posted...

Not sure why you're trying to downplay that the girl helped murder someone. She knew exactly what she was doing. "She was too young and lacked brain rationality." Nah, teens are old enough to know not to kill each other or to help others to kill.

By this logic it'd be fine to execute minors if they had committed the crime themselves. Again, find any example of other more advanced states and developed countries having a sentence like this.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

I wonder if TC would be simping so hard if this was a boy that did this exact thing to a girl that broke up with him

https://nypost.com/2022/01/19/barnard-student-tessa-majors-teen-killer-to-be-sentenced/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/24/two-14-year-olds-sentenced-for-of-oliver-stephens-13
https://abcnews.go.com/US/living-us-mass-school-shooters-incarcerated/story?id=36986507
https://www.krgv.com/news/man-sentenced-to-55-years-in-prison-for-murder-of-harlingen-teen

This is far more common than a minor getting sentenced for life without parole.

In fact:
"A few countries worldwide have allowed for minors to be given lifetime sentences that have no provision for eventual release. Countries that allow life imprisonment without a possibility of parole for juveniles include Antigua and Barbuda, Cuba, Dominica, Israel, Nigeria, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, the Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, Tanzania and the United States. Of these, only the U.S. currently has minors serving such sentences. The University of San Francisco School of Laws Center for Law & Global Justice conducted international research on the use of the sentence of life without parole for juveniles, and has found no cases outside the U.S. in which the sentence is actually imposed on juveniles.[17] As of 2009, Human Rights Watch has calculated that there are 2,589[18] youth offenders serving life without parole in the U.S.[19]"

"The U.S. practice of sentencing juveniles to life imprisonment without a possibility of parole violates international standards of justice, as well as treaties to which the U.S. is a party. Each state must ensure that its criminal punishments comply with the United States' international treaty obligations:

• The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; the oversight Committee instructed the U.S. to: "ensure that no such child offender is sentenced to life without parole [and] adopt all appropriate measures to review the situation of persons already serving such sentences".
• The United Nations Convention Against Torture; the oversight Committee warned the U.S. that juvenile life sentences without a possibility of parole could constitute "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" for youth.
• The oversight body of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination found that juvenile life without a chance of parole is applied disproportionately to black minors, and the U.S. has done nothing to reduce what has become pervasive discrimination. The Committee recommended that the U.S. discontinue the use of this sentence against persons under the age of eighteen at the time the offense was committed, and review the situation of persons already serving such sentences and in 2016, in the case of Montgomery v. Louisiana, the Supreme Court ruled that Miller v. Alabama was to be applied retroactively to offenders convicted before 2012.

The United Nations General Assembly has called upon governments to: "abolish by law, as soon as possible...life imprisonment without possibility of release for those below the age of 18 years at the time of the commission of the offense".
International standards of justice hold that a juvenile life imprisonment without a possibility of parole is not warranted under any circumstances because juvenile offenders lack the experience, education, intelligence and mental development of adults and must be given a reasonable opportunity to obtain release based on demonstrated maturity and rehabilitation.[26]
By March 2023, 27 states and the District of Columbia have completely banned life without parole sentences for all juvenile offenders while five states have not banned the sentence but do not have any juvenile offenders serving life without parole."

This is literally a violation of international standards.

Im confused. Why did you post links to stories of teenagers getting lesser sentences? It seems like all of them should have gotten life.

some juvenile offenders deserve to spend life in prison but sentencing a child to life with no chance of parole shouldn't be something that happens (and doesn't with new sentences finally). in this case, the young girl deserves a lengthy prison sentence and perhaps shouldn't get out if evaluated as a risk to society in the future, but sentencing a 14 year old (when the crime was committed) to life without parole is fucked.

school shooters and other mass murderers should generally just be denied parole when eligible as they will always be a danger to society, but there should be a mandatory review somewhere in there

NeoShadowhen posted...

Im confused. Why did you post links to stories of teenagers getting lesser sentences? It seems like all of them should have gotten life.

Classic CEman edge.

andel posted...

some juvenile offenders deserve to spend life in prison but sentencing a child to life with no chance of parole shouldn't be something that happens (and doesn't with new sentences finally). in this case, the young girl deserves a lengthy prison sentence and perhaps shouldn't get out if evaluated as a risk to society in the future, but sentencing a 14 year old (when the crime was committed) to life without parole is fucked.

school shooters and other mass murderers should generally just be denied parole when eligible as they will always be a danger to society, but there should be a mandatory review somewhere in there

Exactly