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epik_fail1
04/14/23 1:12:20 PM
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Oh those games like Final Fantasy X that pretty much say using religion as a political indoctrination tool? That doesn't count!

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orcus_snake
04/14/23 1:14:53 PM
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It shows it can be abused, it doesn't say it is a political indoctrination tool.

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BignutzisBack
04/14/23 1:15:01 PM
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Did you actually see someone say this or are you just starting an argument with yourself?

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Crimsoness
04/14/23 1:16:44 PM
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Or FFT where not-Jesus is the main villain

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PMarth2002
04/14/23 1:17:04 PM
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said no one ever.

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AI_TechGam3FAQS
04/14/23 1:17:38 PM
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Those kind of politics are way different though, lets not pretend otherwise.
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Lost_All_Senses
04/14/23 1:17:43 PM
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It feels so good not being politically bias and not caring whay politics are where and being able to see the things past it.

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I4NRulez
04/14/23 1:18:53 PM
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Every RPG whether it's a Western or a JRPG has politics. What they mean is that they don't want a game with diversity.

It's why they all raged out when people thought the witcher needed more diversity or they constantly make fun of the dragon age games for having it.

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ellis123
04/14/23 1:18:54 PM
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PMarth2002 posted...
said no one ever.
Right-winger weebs say it all the time. Same thing goes for "I hate it when I'm preached to."

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pauIie
04/14/23 1:20:22 PM
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PMarth2002 posted...
said no one ever.
i've seen this said about japanese games in general actually

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mario2000
04/14/23 1:20:55 PM
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Hope these clowns never play Tactics Ogre or the Trails series.

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ellis123
04/14/23 1:24:35 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Hope these clowns never play Tactics Ogre or the Trails series.
They have played both. I still remember when one of them acted like Triangle Strategy wasn't political. As if there was even a story at all if you removed the political bits.

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codey
04/14/23 1:25:10 PM
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Yes, the game was saying that a religion can be abused, but it wasn't saying that all religions are.

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epik_fail1
04/14/23 1:25:51 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Did you actually see someone say this or are you just starting an argument with yourself?


People online always say that western games are "politicals"(usually refer to minority and lgbt people existing) and claim japenese games do not have "political messages". Don'tplay dumb some people on GF literally do that

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ellis123
04/14/23 1:25:52 PM
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codey posted...
Yes, the game was saying that a religion can be abused, but it wasn't saying that all religions are.
Just 100% of the ones that existed in the game.

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AnsestralRecall
04/14/23 1:28:17 PM
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No story is ever free of politics.
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VeggetaX
04/14/23 1:29:17 PM
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JRPGs are more anti-Christian than political, though.

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epik_fail1
04/14/23 1:30:01 PM
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ellis123 posted...
They have played both. I still remember when one of them acted like Triangle Strategy wasn't political. As if there was even a story at all if you removed the political bits.

I actually loved TS' story because it focused on politics and it was a nice twist from fightings gods and demons in games

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FL81
04/14/23 1:33:36 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Did you actually see someone say this or are you just starting an argument with yourself?
CE needs these bizarre strawmen to justify their ever-increasingly silly arguments

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Solar_Crimson
04/14/23 1:35:13 PM
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"I hate when games shove politics down my throat!"

*goes back to playing Metal Gear Solid*

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epik_fail1
04/14/23 1:36:16 PM
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FL81 posted...
CE needs these bizarre strawmen to justify their ever-increasingly silly arguments

You mean the common pattern you see on Reddit, Twitter, facebook, youtube and even here? Yes it's totally a strawman and it's not like there's tons of right wing youtubers you can easily fine who say exactly that with a 5 seconds search right?

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orcus_snake
04/14/23 1:36:35 PM
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I never argued that it is not political.
What I mention is that it is an abuse of power which has a long gap to equate that with your original "indocrination" point.

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ellis123
04/14/23 1:37:33 PM
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epik_fail1 posted...
I actually loved TS' story because it focused on politics and it was a nice twist from fightings gods and demons in games
Ye, it was good times. I was just floored when someone said that it didn't politics as a legitimate thing (they even defended their stance). Like, how dense do you have to be to believe that Triangle Strategy of all things is not political? While it was overall pretty loose with some aspects of real world politics (especially geopolitics) it was flat out nothing but political games from start to end.

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masterpug53
04/14/23 1:40:09 PM
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AI_TechGam3FAQS posted...
Those kind of politics are way different though, lets not pretend otherwise.

The only noteworthy difference between 'political' and 'non-political' games is that the latter were made before 2009.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 1:40:46 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
JRPGs are more anti-Christian than political, though.

That's a trend that isn't really reflected in the stats. A few games like breath of fire (2 onward) are anti Christian but they are usually about political intrigue.

After world war 2, a lot of Japanese students felt the imperialist attitudes brought shame to the country so the students unionized to oust that ideology from their schools. That shit has had a profound impact on stuff that followed and it's why so much Japanese story focused games feature a young scrappy protagonist fighting against some evil empire of some kind.

And also that obnoxious class president that has way more power than they ought to have has a real historical precedent.

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epik_fail1
04/14/23 1:56:59 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Ye, it was good times. I was just floored when someone said that it didn't politics as a legitimate thing (they even defended their stance). Like, how dense do you have to be to believe that Triangle Strategy of all things is not political? While it was overall pretty loose with some aspects of real world politics (especially geopolitics) it was flat out nothing but political games from start to end.

They even talk about racism against the "Rosell" and while they are a fictional race, it's literally obvious many authors do that to make allegory based on the real world. Every single storyline is very politically loaded in that game and the game force you to make hard choices(I never did the true ending though, maybe I should)

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BurmesePenguin
04/14/23 1:58:22 PM
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orcus_snake posted...
It shows it can be abused, it doesn't say it is a political indoctrination tool.
lmao
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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 1:58:38 PM
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epik_fail1 posted...
They even talk about racism against the "Rosell" and while they are a fictional race, it's literally obvious many authors do that to make allegory based on the real world. Every single storyline is very politically loaded in that game and the game force you to make hard choices(I never did the true ending though, maybe I should)
There's a lot of things out there that use furries or other animal characters to make stories about racism without treading on offensive real world stereotypes.

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Unknown781
04/14/23 2:03:13 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
What they mean is that they don't want a game with diversity.

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Funkydog
04/14/23 2:15:04 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
It's why they all raged out when people thought the witcher needed more diversity or they constantly make fun of the dragon age games for having it.
Hilariously, I've seen many complain Bioware aren't 'woke free' these days like in the original dragon age.

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ellis123
04/14/23 2:17:29 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Hilariously, I've seen many complain Bioware aren't 'woke free' these days like in the original dragon age.
It's always a sliding scale. Games from someone's childhood are exempt from all faults. It's just that the ones complaining about DA:O stopped coming online after the Tide Pod challenge happened so you only hear the new wave of chuds.

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COVxy
04/14/23 2:20:21 PM
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I've never heard anyone say that, but obviously would be silly if they did. Hell, one of the most famous jrpg's sets you up as an ecoterrorist, fighting corporations that pollute and kill the planet, and frames it as good and necessary.

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Ivynn
04/14/23 2:21:26 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Hilariously, I've seen many complain Bioware aren't 'woke free' these days like in the original dragon age.

Haha Dragon Age was one of the first mainstream games to have genuine gay relationships and show them. Even Mass Effect tried to pull the "Asari technically aren't female" to get around it and Jade Empire would cut away or fade to black before showing a same-sex kiss.

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/23 2:22:00 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
Every RPG whether it's a Western or a JRPG has politics.
There's no politics in Seven Pirates. Just tiddies.
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Ivynn
04/14/23 2:22:47 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It's always a sliding scale. Games from someone's childhood are exempt from all faults.

This too. People always say Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor were examples of "doing it right" but nah, if Terminator or Alien came out today, you would totally see people like Critical Drinker complain about them.

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Ivynn
04/14/23 2:25:03 PM
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I think the biggest offender is Persona 5. Because that game wasn't just political but about social justice. Just in the context of Japanese society. lol. But yeah, some people would claim it's not political.

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Funkydog
04/14/23 2:25:28 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Haha Dragon Age was one of the first mainstream games to have genuine gay relationships and show them. Even Mass Effect tried to pull the "Asari technically aren't female" to get around it and Jade Empire would cut away or fade to black before showing a same-sex kiss.
For real.

Just stupid in general though as Bioware have pretty much always been kinda woke, save for the black isle/baldur's gate days and even that's rife with politics, morality and women going for the eyes.

So many older beloved games would be despised I'd released today bu certain idiots for the audacity of including women and minorities

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creativerealms
04/14/23 2:28:12 PM
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Seeing Edea's political speech in Final Fantasy VIII is hilarious in 2023. When I played it in 1999 it was just silly, now I could hear a Republican make a speech like that.

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/23 2:28:59 PM
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Ivynn posted...
This too. People always say Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor were examples of "doing it right" but nah, if Terminator or Alien came out today, you would totally see people like Critical Drinker complain about them.
Would "today" Alien bother with the underwear scene?

creativerealms posted...
Seeing Edea's political speech in Final Fantasy VIII is hilarious in 2023. When I played it in 1999 it was just silly, now I could here a Republican make a speech like that.
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Ivynn
04/14/23 2:31:47 PM
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Funkydog posted...
For real.

Just stupid in general though as Bioware have pretty much always been kinda woke, save for the black isle/baldur's gate days and even that's rife with politics, morality and women going for the eyes.

So many older beloved games would be despised I'd released today bu certain idiots for the audacity of including women and minorities

I remember when I first played Baldur's Gate/II (two years ago, I made a topic about it. In fact, you were there!), I was surprised how diverse it was, like I woulda thought it would be the typical "everyone is straight and white" trope fantasy had back then, but nope, there were lots of women and POC characters.

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creativerealms
04/14/23 2:32:09 PM
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ellis123 posted...
They have played both. I still remember when one of them acted like Triangle Strategy wasn't political. As if there was even a story at all if you removed the political bits.
Remember when they complain about politics they mean "social politics" and that means racial and sexual minorities.

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Questionmarktarius
04/14/23 2:33:31 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Remember when they complain about politics they mean "social politics" and that means racial and sexual minorities.
So... FF9 is the most "political" JRPG there's ever been?
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Dabrikishaw15
04/14/23 2:33:48 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
Every RPG whether it's a Western or a JRPG has politics. What they mean is that they don't want a game with diversity.

It's why they all raged out when people thought the witcher needed more diversity or they constantly make fun of the dragon age games for having it.


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creativerealms
04/14/23 2:34:54 PM
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I just finished the fourth season of Babylon 5 and personally I think the EarthGov plot could be made today with zero changes. Only people would see it as attacking the Trump Presidency.

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epik_fail1
04/14/23 2:35:03 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I think the biggest offender is Persona 5. Because that game wasn't just political but about social justice. Just in the context of Japanese society. lol. But yeah, some people would claim it's not political.

"B-b-but the politician boss is not political!!!"

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Freddie_Mercury
04/14/23 2:36:02 PM
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I play jrpgs for the big anime titties

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Illuminoius
04/14/23 2:36:31 PM
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etrian odyssey has a pretty clear allusion to the japanese subjugation of the ainu and i have seen people who try to pass it all off as a coincidence
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