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Dan_Haren-
04/14/23 8:27:15 AM
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for homeless?

Like lets say we increase the budget that combats homelessness, how does that money get spent to actually improve homeless quality of life and reduce homelessness?
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averagejoel
04/14/23 8:33:48 AM
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give them homes and food

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uwnim
04/14/23 8:34:20 AM
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Probably not. Actually getting permission to study such things is difficult. Trying to help homeless people is generally okay, but once you try to see how effective your attempts to help are things get horribly complicated for no good reason.

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WBC_Injury
04/14/23 8:34:41 AM
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Yes.

Decrease cost of living, increase wages.
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RchHomieQuanChi
04/14/23 8:43:04 AM
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Prevent private business from scalping homes

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MrToothHasYou
04/14/23 8:43:34 AM
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averagejoel posted...
give them homes and food


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Prismsblade
04/14/23 8:45:36 AM
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We've steadily increased the budget for homelessness for decades now and it's not working. Hell in my opinion it's the main problem.

To much time and money is wasted on people that just use it so continue their life style rather then uplift themselves.

And I know corruption is rampant but enough reaches them still that my opinion on the matter doesn't change.

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RchHomieQuanChi
04/14/23 8:47:25 AM
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Prismsblade posted...


To much time and money is wasted on people that just use it so continue their life style rather then uplift themselves.

Their lifestyle....of being homeless?

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legendary_zell
04/14/23 8:52:29 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
We've steadily increased the budget for homelessness for decades now and it's not working. Hell in my opinion it's the main problem.

To much time and money is wasted on people that just use it so continue their life style rather then uplift themselves.

And I know corruption is rampant but enough reaches them still that my opinion on the matter doesn't change.

In all my time on this board, I've never seen you post something that didn't have the gist of "this group of people is hopeless/not worth helping/we're spending too much on marginalized group X."

We spend money on ways to circle around the problem because we don't want to do the thing that works: providing housing and support services. That's what works, we don't do it for reasons of ideology.

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averagejoel
04/14/23 8:52:46 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
We've steadily increased the budget for homelessness for decades now and it's not working. Hell in my opinion it's the main problem.

To much time and money is wasted on people that just use it so continue their life style rather then uplift themselves.

And I know corruption is rampant but enough reaches them still that my opinion on the matter doesn't change.
yes, it would be significantly cheaper to just give them food and housing

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bover_87
04/14/23 8:52:58 AM
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Not voting for politicians who hate the poor.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 8:53:34 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
We've steadily increased the budget for homelessness for decades now and it's not working. Hell in my opinion it's the main problem.

To much time and money is wasted on people that just use it so continue their life style rather then uplift themselves.

And I know corruption is rampant but enough reaches them still that my opinion on the matter doesn't change.
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Deedice
04/14/23 9:07:14 AM
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averagejoel posted...
give them homes and food

Why would anyone work or be productive?
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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 9:14:11 AM
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Yes. Give them free apartments.

https://phys.org/news/2017-03-housing-homeless-cheaper-society.html

https://guardianlv.com/2014/01/utah-solves-homelessness-by-giving-away-homes/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/9/AARLwzAAEYbp.jpg

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Prismsblade
04/14/23 9:19:28 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
We spend money on ways to circle around the problem because we don't want to do the thing that works: providing housing and support services. That's what works, we don't do it for reasons of ideology.
But It's.....not working, regardless of the amount of wealth and resources used It's only gotten worse.

I understand why my opinions upset others on the matter but TC asked a question, I answered it in honest, leave it at that.


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CyricZ
04/14/23 9:20:21 AM
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averagejoel posted...
give them homes and food


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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 9:20:59 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
But It's.....not working

See my above post. It's proven to work if you actually spend the money on the right thing. We keep dumping money into stupid shit like vocational rehabilitation when the real answer is just give them free homes.

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CyricZ
04/14/23 9:21:47 AM
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Deedice posted...
Why would anyone work or be productive?
Because they want to.

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emblem-man
04/14/23 9:21:50 AM
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Give them housing in locations where they can work towards improving their lives

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averagejoel
04/14/23 9:23:13 AM
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Deedice posted...
Why would anyone work or be productive?
because companies would be forced to make the jobs better, to make people want to work for them

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ellis123
04/14/23 9:23:15 AM
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Deedice posted...
Why would anyone work or be productive?
Do you think that the only things in life are housing and food? That's pretty tragic.

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legendary_zell
04/14/23 9:25:44 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
But It's.....not working, regardless of the amount of wealth and resources used It's only gotten worse.

I understand why my opinions upset others on the matter but TC asked a question, I answered it in honest, leave it at that.

How many places do they do what I've suggested? It's worked where it's been tried. My entire point is that we do very expensive half measures everywhere else out of a misguided addiction to the protestant work ethic and the idea that we have to have the threat of homelessness and hunger to keep the workers working.

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rexcrk
04/14/23 9:26:55 AM
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WBC_Injury posted...
Yes.

Decrease cost of living, increase wages.


Republicans:

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Quicksilver
04/14/23 9:44:17 AM
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Not much we can do besides give them a free apartment and forget about them. So many homeless people are just total burn outs years of drug and alcohol abuse has left them unable to function in society so no matter what they will always exist on the fringes of society. People don't like to hear it but sometimes you just can't help a person no matter what you do.


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Prismsblade
04/14/23 9:50:10 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
See my above post. It's proven to work if you actually spend the money on the right thing. We keep dumping money into stupid shit like vocational rehabilitation when the real answer is just give them free homes.
Homelessness has increased in Utah, same as everywhere else since then. So long term at least it wasn't a real solution.

Even then where are you hosting hundreds of thousands of people, for many, possibly indefinitely.

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averagejoel
04/14/23 10:00:36 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Homelessness has increased in Utah, same as everywhere else since then. So long term at least it wasn't a real solution.

Even then where are you hosting hundreds of thousands of people, for many, possibly indefinitely.
well the broader long-term solution involves de-commodifying housing and other essential services

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 10:02:15 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Homelessness has increased in Utah, same as everywhere else since then. So long term at least it wasn't a real solution.

95% of people placed have remained off the streets.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/11/16/utahs-housing-first-model/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/4/AARLwzAAEYcW.jpg

So yes it went up a tiny amount after effectively permanently removing half of the homeless.

Do you think vaccines don't work because a tiny amount of vaccinated people still get sick?

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bigblu89
04/14/23 10:03:19 AM
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Quicksilver posted...
Not much we can do besides give them a free apartment and forget about them. So many homeless people are just total burn outs years of drug and alcohol abuse has left them unable to function in society so no matter what they will always exist on the fringes of society. People don't like to hear it but sometimes you just can't help a person no matter what you do.

You're half right.

It's been proven that free housing combined with rehab and social programs can get people back on their feet and "contributing members of society".

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Prismsblade
04/14/23 11:40:57 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
95% of people placed have remained off the streets.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/11/16/utahs-housing-first-model/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/4/AARLwzAAEYcW.jpg

So yes it went up a tiny amount after effectively permanently removing half of the homeless.
This wasnt a solution, they've merely slowed it down. For now. And at this rate It's just a matter of time before it becomes just another section 8 program.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/3/AAQUJwAAEYdl.jpg
And don't forget, the more subsidized housing you build for the homeless. The fewer you're have the for low-meduim wage. Who themselves are struggling with cost.


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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 11:52:59 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
This wasnt a solution, they've merely slowed it down. For now. And at this rate It's just a matter of time before it becomes just another section 8 program.

This is divergent from the question at hand.

TC asked if there is an evidence backed method to reduce homelessness and improve their quality of life. The answer is unambiguously and objectively yes.

You're moving the goalposts here to "is there a way to guarantee a conversion of all homeless people to working independent lower class?"


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Accolon
04/14/23 12:01:21 PM
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Other countries have had success with the housing first model.

Basically, you give the homeless a home, then offer them services to help with employment, drug addiction, etc. But the housing is never dependent on that.

Maybe they never take full advantage to get the help they need, but it's there, and at least they aren't homeless anymore.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
04/14/23 12:15:37 PM
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So what happens to the homes after the cost is sunk into the first generation and they're all destroyed? Do you think putting them into collections is good or even an option?

The problem is that next step. Every apartment we've rented out to someone receiving 100% of rent from the government gets treated like a gas station bathroom.

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COVxy
04/14/23 12:16:27 PM
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The homelessness issue is not one that is fixed simply by providing housing. Usually there's a fundamental issue of lack of support for people who need help, not just monetarily but socially and mentally.

It's no coincidence that the homelessness population skyrocketed after the deinstitutionalization of America. Many people on my side of the aisle will deliberately ignore the mental health infrastructure issue to make this an entirely economic issue as it fits into their political holes more easily that way.

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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 12:19:23 PM
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Institutionalization is worse than homelessness. It's only a serious solution for people who don't give a shit about what happens to homeless as long as they don't have to see them.

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COVxy
04/14/23 12:22:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Institutionalization is worse than homelessness. It's only a serious solution for people who don't give a shit about what happens to homeless as long as they don't have to see them.

Not at all. Many mental disorders require forced treatment, because the person isn't able to understand that they need help. People who say shit like this have never had to try to help anybody in the middle of a psychotic episode.

Also, did you know that much of the research that propelled the deinstitutionalization movement was likely fabricated?

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Payzmaykr
04/14/23 12:24:01 PM
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Make the cost of living actually remotely affordable again. Not everyone on the street is there because of mental illness or substance abuse. There are able-bodied and able-minded people who were simply rejected by society and we have no choice but to take drastic steps to reverse things.

First of all, housing should not be considered a for-profit venture anymore. Sorry, but you ruined it with your sky high rent and your house flipping. The end result is that normal people cannot afford to own property, which is a SERIOUS issue. Rental monopolies need to be broken up aggressively and every piece of property bought by those Chinese real estate rental companies needs to instantly seized and put back on the market at fair price! They come in and overbid to where people like ourselves dont stand a chance. Then they turn around and rent the house for $5,000/month. Break this up.
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Tyranthraxus
04/14/23 12:24:27 PM
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COVxy posted...
Many mental disorders require forced treatment, because the person isn't able to understand that they need help.

We still have involuntary inpatient systems for these. The number 1 mental problem people need help with that makes them homeless is addiction. It's not a problem that even remotely needs any kind of institutionalization.


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COVxy
04/14/23 12:28:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
We still have involuntary inpatient systems for these.

Which usually isn't actually helpful since you have to move heaven and earth to hold someone longer than 72 hours, meanwhile these conditions and states last much longer and require pretty heavily regimented medication.

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averagejoel
04/14/23 1:40:48 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
This wasnt a solution, they've merely slowed it down. For now. And at this rate It's just a matter of time before it becomes just another section 8 program.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/3/AAQUJwAAEYdl.jpg
And don't forget, the more subsidized housing you build for the homeless. The fewer you're have the for low-meduim wage. Who themselves are struggling with cost.
which is why the longer-term solution involves de-commodifying housing

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justaguy3492
04/14/23 1:49:28 PM
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Here's a spicy take for ya: people with severe mental health issues and substance abuse issues should be eligible for involuntary treatment.

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DarthAragorn
04/14/23 4:12:34 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
Make the cost of living actually remotely affordable again. Not everyone on the street is there because of mental illness or substance abuse. There are able-bodied and able-minded people who were simply rejected by society and we have no choice but to take drastic steps to reverse things.

First of all, housing should not be considered a for-profit venture anymore. Sorry, but you ruined it with your sky high rent and your house flipping. The end result is that normal people cannot afford to own property, which is a SERIOUS issue. Rental monopolies need to be broken up aggressively and every piece of property bought by those Chinese real estate rental companies needs to instantly seized and put back on the market at fair price! They come in and overbid to where people like ourselves dont stand a chance. Then they turn around and rent the house for $5,000/month. Break this up.
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FurryPhilosifer
04/14/23 4:15:08 PM
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But if we give people a safety net, what will we threaten workers with to ensure they accept bad working conditions?

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