Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 7 - Death by Degrees

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Also it would have really behooved GCorp to want the mass claim day 2. Realizing Mishima exists. Wanting to know who to steal actions from. Having a ninja left and narrowing down Mishima.

Peaf claims early. Lea points this out, but Lea is also aware of that meta herself and likely would have pointed out that to her team.

G Corp has a lot of incentive to push the mass via their own claims. Town has more reason to balk here. Mishima has no reason to balk either likely being a godfather and ninja left.

The game is low town power right now compared to what scum has flipped. I suspect a lot of the unclaimed have powers of some sort and are town.

Also, I believe someone said scum would know 2 scum teams existed based on size. This is erroneous, but I also believe one of the tells on walls people mentioned was that he stated the second night kill was a possible town vig and not a second scum kill? Correct me if wrong on person so we can kill them now.

That suggests scum wasn't sure where second shot came from and unsure of 2nd scum team.

masterplum posted...

Now this is interesting.

IGCD is the one that jumps out to me but he could just be bad town.

Thinking Corrik is probably scum too yeah. His half defense of Ulti could be him trying to put up a defense without actually committing

Sbell kill has to be third party right? No way scum uses a double kill on sbell. Thats also interesting. Who was thinking sbell was scum

Now there is a lot to work with here

htaeD posted...

But you are right in that I dont think either shot came from a townvig.
I should hope not

htaeD posted...

Could also be another secret scum member again.
Or a cult.. though I dont know if that fits as much with this flavor.

Plum.is the one who immediately jumps to 2 scum teams. He presents the idea of 3rd party kill. Death jumps to town vig. Peaf is present and aids in this discussion. Lea is present but mostly avoids it.

I do want to point this out though...

Day 2 beginning of the day.

htaeD posted...

Could also be another secret scum member again.
Or a cult.. though I dont know if that fits as much with this flavor.

day 3
htaeD posted...

Wouldn't scum have to know another scumteam exists if their team was small?

Death forgot he played dumb earlier day 2 to downplay the possibility of 2 scum teams.

The secret scum member idea actually floats out the possibility of a small scum team (which he shouldn't know at that point anyways).

Death is scum.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


If I were scum I would have just shot you long ago.

Votals
[1] IGCD - Death, (Lea)
[0] Hb - (Isquen)
[0] Plum - (IGCD)
[0] Lea - (IGCD)

Corrik7 posted...

Plum.is the one who immediately jumps to 2 scum teams. He presents the idea of 3rd party kill. Death jumps to town vig. Peaf is present and aids in this discussion. Lea is present but mostly avoids it.

I do want to point this out though...

Day 2 beginning of the day.

day 3

Death forgot he played dumb earlier day 2 to downplay the possibility of 2 scum teams.

The secret scum member idea actually floats out the possibility of a small scum team (which he shouldn't know at that point anyways).

Death is scum.

Bingo. I remember that cult comment and thought it was weird as hell. Why is death possibly bringing up cults? I thought.

That is exactly the knew too much post I was talking about. I was going to look over that today but you beat me to it. Good job corrik

##Vote:Death

If Death does flip Peaf team I am going to be worried Lea is part of that team after her soft defense of death. Red pointing out he would have shot Lea reminded me that means 2 scum teams both didnt target her. Hmm

Mzero showing up just to defend himself looks horrendous. Nothing about the setup or reads, just complaining how it wasnt his fault he ended on the doctor (Did he even mention that he was out for the day yesterday?)

Okay this is silly

I floated out those 2 theories more as a joke than anything serious since the other more plausible theories already got mentioned.

htaeD posted...

Okay this is silly

I floated out those 2 theories more as a joke than anything serious since the other more plausible theories already got mentioned.

Or a cult.. though I dont know if that fits as much with this flavor.

Are you my 10 yeah old son? Because thats the sort of thing he would say is a joke to try to get out of trouble. Doesnt look like a joke to me

I didn't seriously believe it is basically what I mean.
I already said as much back then I believe.

Granted I should not assume scum thinks the same way I do, I just naturally changed my mind about whether or not scum had a hidden member due to all the new info.

Its just super strange you jumped from This looks like a third party shot to cult of all things. There really isnt any reason you would consider anything stranger than SK. Unless you already knew there were two scum teams and it was a weird setup. In that case ou autofilled to talking about weird setups.

Cult was just on my mind because of Xenoblade 3 mafia
The hidden scumthing also happened recently. I was just listing of ideas like that

And dont give me that notion about it being strange to consider such things, when 2 scumteams is usually even stranger than both those options IMO.

And for the umpteenth time, I did not seriously consider it. If you read my posts from that time instead of just looking at Corriks contextless quotes, you would see that.

And people knew it had some experimental aspects, Ctes said as much.
Thats the reason people started thinking two scumteams in the first place.

3 last people claim and let's kill death. Thanks

##vote: Death

I am completely on board with that, and Corrik has basically completely verbalized most of my misgivings overnight.

Corrik7 posted...

3 last people claim and let's kill death. Thanks

Nah, probably still power out there

masterplum posted...

Nah, probably still power out there

Exactly. Let's confirm town and complete this sweep.

Corrik7 posted...

Exactly. Let's confirm town and complete this sweep.

You aren't dying corrik. I give you permission to do this tomorrow

masterplum posted...

You aren't dying corrik. I give you permission to do this tomorrow

Saving me is a bad save. Not necessary.

wallmasterz posted...

A few things stand out from this new thread so far. The three votes on Kirby in the first 10 posts for one, but unlike Lopen in post #47 I dont feel strongly about Isquen or peaf being scum right now, and Im on the fence with Lea. If anything it makes me wonder if I missed something on Kirby. I remember Ben voicing he was pretty convinced Kirby is scum, so the timing of Ben being killed certainly raises an eyebrow.

Another thing which stands out is the irony of plum pointing at IGCD and Corrik after ultis flip when he was just as guilty of defending ulti and did so numerous times. I thought plum was scum yesterday and nothing has happened to change my mind.

Lastly, in addressing Lea/Ulti, Lopen feels town to me, even though Im still unsure what to make of the whole situation. Ulti was scum and lied about his flavor saying he was ctes main. Points for Lea. But its really weird how ulti brought it up out of nowhere and Lea had a slightly different response from her early post. Initially she said ctes main and yet when ulti brought this up towards end of day she said one of ctes mains. Whats the probability of ulti doing that out of the freakin blue and Lea coincidentally having said something she needed to revise? Its a weird situation and Im gonna pause thinking about it for now until my sleep deprived brain gets coffee in the morning

This is such a scum post and I'm ashamed for not catching. I had my blinders on too tight going after plum. Anyway, not a good look for Kirby here. Mentions the Kirby votes but doesn't really do anything with and uses ambiguous language like "raises an eyebrow" and "wonder if I missed something". It looks like he's getting ready to jump on Kirby if the train leaves the station but doesn't want to if he can avoid it.

ViolentAbacus posted...

I currently have no internet (for over 24 hours l, according to my roommate). I called support and waiting for a call back. If it's not back on by tomorrow then I may have to swap out.

Vote: Plum

Plum, Ultimate looked bad before the work "slip". Very early on Ultimate tried to play it off that Sbell slipped when Sbell was calling people on him scum. He only got worse from there with that Lea argument at the end of the day...

Also, you kept lowering the chance of Uti being scum though out the day, despite the evidence stacking up against him. Why?

Interesting bit about Ulti was that Lea named dropped Corrik with something like "why are not voting an inactive like Corrik" (not exact, but close enough). Wonder why he didn't vote the person name dropped?

Lea is a Corrik whisperer. She has a post on topic 2 that basically said what Corrik said this topic. Also felt like it may have given him an out?

Red why did you vote Kirby over Ulti yesterday? Not that Kirby doesn't look bad, but was curious on why one over the other?

This seems like a opportunistic vote by Abacus. I was going in on plum and several others had chimed in that they thought he was scummy, but hadn't jumped on yet. Seems like he was trying to get on early. I'm working under the assumption plum is town because yeah

Mzero claim, please. For me. I am asking nicely.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Zafina, townie vanilla. No idea anything about them, as I've never played Tekken.

Um... shouldn't you know something about your character based on your PM?

Corrik7 posted...

Mzero claim, please. For me. I am asking nicely.

Mokujin

MZero posted...

Um... shouldn't you know something about your character based on your PM?

To clarify, I mean... what you know about the character shouldn't really matter when claiming. If you're going to go into any detail it should be a paraphrase of your role PM, so mentioning he doesn't know anything about Zafina feels off

MZero posted...

Mokujin

A Stump. Interesting. Okay.

Now this is the Corrik with a town power role that I remember. Good stuff, Corrik.

Any theories on why Ben and Sbell were the first nightkills?

Kirby321 posted...

Now this is the Corrik with a town power role that I remember. Good stuff, Corrik.

Any theories on why Ben and Sbell were the first nightkills?

Well, you have the Ulti is petty at Sbell kill option.

You have the Ben was killed by Mishima because he made the soul read Kirby was scum unfortunately.

I'd err that Mishima killed Sbell due to Ulti calling the shots. Ben was killed by G Corp.

G Corp also stole from Lopen while Mishima had no roleblock. They probably stayed away from me because I was afk. Lea and me are likely the biggest save options regardless, possibly red. While Lea is probably scum, this probably gave a lot of sway to avoid these 3 due to riskiness of the situation from the start.

Thus, Sbell and Ben were probably safe unclaimed to target that had little to no risk of being saved.

I'm also guessing Mishima specifically night 1 didn't know there was 2 scum teams, while G Corp did. Thus, to Mishima, Sbell probably looks mortally confirmed town (ulti seemed irritated about it when I said Sbell was town) and thus figured to take him off the board then.

Well moving on

Day1 Peaf is not a very useful fountain of information so far. Though I do note some interesting parts.
He went after wallz because Wallz said that thing about Ulti that was probably true in hindsight
Ulti wanted to not bring attention to himself and failed to do so. Yet Wallz still assumed thats what it looked like.

Anyway his crusade against Peaf is not useful I suppose, and the fact that Lea joined Peaf for a bit just says the same about her (no way she is the last Mishima etc)

Kirby's response to Peaf is maybe more useful. If only because now it reads like he also knew too much about a player. Its a defense of Wallz anyway.

Regarding Wallz, I can understand Peaf's argument that it doesn't make much sense given that Ulti is 100% calling attention to himself. I don't think that was the point Wallz was trying to make, though, IIRC. Wallz was saying something like, "If Ulti had a good role, he would've claimed it immediately, so he either has a crummy role or he's scum," right?

Also there is this post I drew out of Peaf which I will just quote for future use.

Fairly confident that igcd and red are both town. Lean town on both lea and corrik.

Sbell is a lean scum but that might be because I'm boneheaded with the idea that Ulti put in my brain. Even though that misreading has been debunked it still made me feel something, yknow?

Yeah, I figured Ben was killed to frame me. Given how virtually nobody has thought of me as town this game, I wonder if I'm being set up as a mislynch because the two scum teams think I'm part of their rival faction.

That makes me lean more toward Red and Lea. I don't think Death has been pushing my lynch at all, so if the plan was to make me a fall guy, he's clearly not in on it.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I just said I don't think he is the reason Ben died.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Corrik has claimed to be able to move. Why is assuming he's town power if you think he's town a bad thing?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Lea: "Nobody gives a shit about dead player reads."

Also Lea: "#vote: Kirby. For Ben."

lol
Got one, folks

##Vote: Lea

I'd like to see you try and paint Corrik as scum, Lea. Just because he's unclaimed, I should suspect him as scum? No, with scum Thief and Roleblocker confirmed, there's no way town has so many vanillas.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Corrik suspected I'm part of the Mishima Zaibatsu (which is wrong but that's beside the point). Corrik also said that G Corp killed Ben. Ergo, I can't be scum according to Corrik, because then I'd have to be part of G Corp or the Mishima Zaibatsu killed Ben. One of those viewpoints has to give in order to justify me as scum.

Hm Kirby had that moment where he called out Peaf for never having played with Corrik before.
Granted he was wrong, but I dont think the misunderstanding happens if they are on the same team.

Kirby saying some weird stuff here

Kirby321 posted...

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Corrik suspected I'm part of the Mishima Zaibatsu (which is wrong but that's beside the point). Corrik also said that G Corp killed Ben. Ergo, I can't be scum according to Corrik, because then I'd have to be part of G Corp or the Mishima Zaibatsu killed Ben. One of those viewpoints has to give in order to justify me as scum.

This entire paragraph is super odd

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Because it is ridiculous. The only reason anyone would suspect Corrik right now is if they're trying to push a mislynch.

Corrik has not been trying at all Day 1 and Day 2, I'll concede that. I initially suspected him because he claimed town power but didn't act like it at all. But you also can't look at all of the analysis he posted today and tell me he's not town. This is Corrik in his town element right now. And you seem frustrated that Corrik has awoken and is no longer an easy mislynch, Lea.

Unless you want to explain why you don't think he's town, but also don't think he's scum, either? You've got a lot of content from Corrik to analyze today.

Peaf turned on Kirby awfully fast day2, though he did drop him again only to go back to Kirby once people called him out for unvoting.

Though ultimately I dont think Peaf votes Kirby there if Kirby his scummate

Lea looking bad right now.

Still feeling good about

G Corp
Death
Lea

Mishima
Kirby

VA remains a wild card. And my patience will seriously sour soon with the unclaimed if they stay this way. There is no reason to do so. Scum is being absolutely rolled right now.

Neither Mzero, Red, or HB has done enough to have a town read on them to be considered above claiming.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Had you at town until today. Interesting. Your woe is me is in overdrive right now.

This is the town Corrik I know

go get em Corrik

Also screw you if you are able to fake this due to two scum teams

Corrik7 posted...

Lea looking bad right now.

Still feeling good about

G Corp
Death
Lea

Mishima
Kirby

I think I actually completely agree with this list

Lea why so against a death lynch? I think he is clearly standing out as scum and you are ignoring the argument instead of directly rebutting it

Yep.

Ctrl F Death

Yeah, despite posting a bunch on this page, Lea completely ignored the Death traction. Did not mention him at all.

If Death flips G Corp its a windmill slam lynch of Lea

Kirby if you are town, lets go death first. If death is scum I am completely with you but Im not lynching Lea till after that