Current Events > Anyone else playing Bayonetta Origins?

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I'm playing this and I'm really enjoying it so far. It has a really cool vibe. It's the most 'Nintendo' Bayonetta game yet. I've got my first elemental core thing so I think things are gonna start opening up.

But I can't help but think this is a niche spin-off from an already niche franchise. It's kind of a miracle this exists at all. I expect its legacy to be on Switch hidden gem lists because I can't imagine people rushing to buy this one. It seems very good though. The dark fairy tale vibe is really good.

No

I didn't realize it was out yet. Also I still haven't played 3 :/

Wait, is this really 60 fucking dollars

lol no I am not playing it

MJOLNRVII posted...

I didn't realize it was out yet. Also I still haven't played 3 :/

Just came out a week ago.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Wait, is this really 60 fucking dollars

lol no I am not playing it

I was a bit confused too but it is a proper game that takes like 15 hours.

But I guess something about an isometric camera makes people think it's a budget game so can't blame ya.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Just came out a week ago.

I was a bit confused too but it is a proper game that takes like 15 hours.

But I guess something about an isometric camera makes people think it's a budget game so can't blame ya.

I dont think its a budget game; it very clearly is a budget game, at least one that was made on a budget

$60 for this is absolutely ridiculous when similar games like Darksiders Genesis, the Lara Croft games, etc were 15-20 spin-off games at $30 or less

Im a huge Bayonetta fan but I hadnt paid much attention to this, no fucking way I would pay $60 for this

Punished_Blinx posted...

it is a proper game that takes like 15 hours.

ehhhhhhhh if you say so

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This is pure, typical nintendo greed tbh

even $40 would have been more palatablewhen Tango can stealth drop something like Hi-Fi Rush for $40, this very obviously small-budget small-team game less than six months after Bayonetta 3 for $60 is absurd

In my region Nintendo games are a lot cheaper than the other consoles but I know that isn't the case in the US.

But yeah like I said even though I'm enjoying playing it I know it's not going to sell at all.

TheGoldenEel posted...

This is pure, typical nintendo greed tbh

even $40 would have been more palatablewhen Tango can stealth drop something like Hi-Fi Rush for $40, this very obviously small-budget small-team game less than six months after Bayonetta 3 for $60 is absurd

I think it's tricky tbh. At the end of the day you gotta decide what you want to spend your dollars on.

But like...I kinda want to see more games like Bayonetta Origins. Experimental concepts for franchises I like instead of just the same old open world games or whatever. So at the end of the day I gotta put my money were my mouth is. Personally I think this is worth it than a lot of other games at the same price point. But I'm also not the belief that budget really dictates the price of a game either.

Dunno game pricing in general is weird.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think it's tricky tbh. At the end of the day you gotta decide what you want to spend your dollars on.

But like...I kinda want to see more games like Bayonetta Origins. Experimental concepts for franchises I like instead of just the same old open world games or whatever. So at the end of the day I gotta put my money were my mouth is. Personally I think this is worth it than a lot of other games at the same price point. But I'm also not the belief that budget really dictates the price of a game either.

Dunno game pricing in general is weird.

Theres nothing experimental about an isometric action adventure game, just because its in an existing franchise

it is purely a way to cheap out on game budget

which would be fine! Not everything has to be a big budget AAA game! But the price should definitely reflect that

and no, number of hours of my life this game wasted is not a good metric for game price

TheGoldenEel posted...

Theres nothing experimental about an isometric action adventure game, just because its in an existing franchise

Making a weird storybook based fantasy game where the protagonist is a little girl who befriends her toy possessed by a demon spun-off from a main series known for over the top action and sex appeal that already wasn't all that popular with the mainstream is definitely a risk no matter how you look at it.

TheGoldenEel posted...

it is purely a way to cheap out on game budget

I guess so but like it also took Bayonetta 3 nearly a decade to make. Might be good to sometimes release a more focused and smaller scale title sometimes. But that ain't gonna happen if nobody wants to buy them.

TheGoldenEel posted...

which would be fine! Not everything has to be a big budget AAA game! But the price should definitely reflect that

and no, number of hours of my life this game wasted is not a good metric for game price

The only thing that dictates the price of a game is what consumers are willing to pay for it.

I doubt Fire Emblem is some huge big budget game compared to this one and that is $60 just fine. Took a long time for that franchise to find its market too.

Don't get me wrong. I understand what you're saying. But I just find it hard to solely blame this on greed when I play this game that feels like a complete passion project that has next to no potential for success in the market.

Like it's easy to forget the whole reason Bayonetta is still around is because Nintendo license it off Sega who didn't want to fund the sequel which released 9 years ago. Quite frankly it seems like it's a miracle this game even exists at all. I don't think a $40 price point would have changed much either. They don't seem to sell that well unless they're an indie game. Hi-Fi Rush didn't even get a physical release and I played it via Game Pass personally.

The funny thing is so far I think I like this game more than Bayo 3. At the very least it gives off a better first impression. It actually feels suitable for the hardware while Bayo 3 felt like a sloppy mess with the wonky framerate and pixelated visuals.

I guess my summary is overall while I understand the concern it's not like there's a lot of mid-budget stuff being released from the major publishers that I care about either. That's the stuff I want so I need to take a gamble sometimes.

Although again I must point out that I am in a region where Bayo Origins RRP is $80 and TLOU Part 1 is $125 so I am not in the same situation as most here.

I have no doubt the game is great, and I have no doubt it was a passion project at Platinum, Im just saying them charging the same price as Bayonetta 3 for this 5 months later has Nintendos greed written all over it

and this game looks like its flopping sales-wise so they fucked up. Hopefully this one actually drops in price soon

The thought was occurring while playing that a lot of this game feels like a lot of the stuff they were experimenting with Bayo 3 that they couldn't really fit into there.

Cheshire himself feels so much like a alternative concept of the Demon Slave mechanic in 3 (which in itself was grown from Astral Chain and probably the cancelled Scalebound). But instead of solely put into combat use they tied up ways for puzzles as well. Even in Bayo 3 there felt like an odd amount of traversal puzzles so I think at one point the lines between these games were a lot blurrier.

Both Bayo 3 and Origins feel like concepts Platinum have been building upon for quite a while. This game also has Faery dimension puzzles and combat encounters that feel pretty similar in concept to that alternate dimension in Astral Chain.

I was curious and looked it up and found some interesting quotes
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bayonetta-origins-developers-want-you-to-remember-what-it- feels-like-to-be-a-kid-and-to-prepare-for-more-bayonetta/1100-6512391/

Okazaki: We actually began this project at the same time we began Bayonetta 3. Nintendo was wanting to bring excitement to the entire Bayonetta series in a different direction from Bayonetta 3. When we asked if they could depict a prequel with Cereza, Kamiya-san and his team already had plans in mind. Our companies' ideas matched well with each other, and as a result it was decided to begin the project.
In order to bring excitement to the entire Bayonetta series, when the project began, we also aimed to get both people who've never played the games and people who may not have played a Bayonetta game recently to return to the series again.

Kamiya: Platinum Games is already working on creating our own new IP and is continuing to come up with ideas for developing a sequel to the Bayonetta series. On top of that, we're always wanting to continue to evolve the Bayonetta IP, which is an important franchise to us, into something even stronger. To that end, our vision has been to work on not just vertical connections, but horizontal expansions as well.
We feel there are endless possibilities for horizontal expansion, and that discarding static notions of what kind of game Bayonetta has to be and using free thinking to create new ways to play will definitely make it more fun for players, and for us as developers. With this in mind, I had various game designers in the company present their ideas for a gameplay concept. Tinari's pitch stood out, so I decided to entrust him with the director role on this project.

I find it all a bit fascinating. It really calls back to how games were developed back on the PS1 and PS2 that has mostly died out. I guess one benefit of this style is that the risk isn't so tied to the one title which is overall a good thing. Especially for a developer like Platinum who tends to bounce between massive flop and decent success. At least Nintendo is happy to keep them around so that's good.

I have two daughters with the oldest being 3. I think if they do get interested in games this is one I'm gonna keep in mind for when they get a bit older. It has that perfect blend of "Childish wonder with a little bit of edge to it" that I think could be appealing and unique for them.

Thanks man I keep forgetting to make a topic about this game, wanted to see others' thoughts on it. I'm a recent Bayonetta fan and really loved the first 2 games, with 3 being in my cart for later and cautiously optimistic about it.

I tried the demo for this Cereza game and it looks super cute with the storybook style, but I don't know if I'm interested in it as a game. And I don't know if it's just the demo but I'm actually kinda tired of reliving the exact same scene/time period that they've already done in 1 and 2 where Bayo was shunned by the other witches and called names, we've already seen and heard this story and want something new.

And yeah I was also really surprised this exists, so soon after Bayo 3 too. It's like after nearly a decade of no Bayo, bam suddenly 2 games back to back. Weird of Nintendo to support this series in the first place, not to jinx it or anything since I'm glad to have finally experienced Bayonetta 1 and the even more amazing 2 on Switch.

saspa posted...

reliving the exact same scene/time period that they've already done in 1 and 2 where Bayo was shunned by the other witches and called names, we've already seen and heard this story and want something new.

I'm only in Act 4 so dunno if it becomes more of a thing near the end but so far it mostly seems to be about Cereza getting over her anxiety and finding her confidence. I don't think Rosa is killed until she is an adult right?

I think it'll be about whatever Morgana is up to more. No idea what her deal is.

What genre are these types of games called? Point and click like?

saspa posted...

What genre are these types of games called? Point and click like?

I'd say it's an action-adventure. This one feels a bit like a Zelda or Metroid with the unlockable abilities that give you access to upgrades and new areas. Dunno if the world links up enough to be a complete Metroidvania yet.