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Kloe_Rinz 03/15/23 10:17:02 AM #53:	viewmaster_pi posted... that suddenly criminals would also not get their hands on guns one way or another? "no way this could have been prevented, says only country where this regularly happens" <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972185857] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite><quote>that suddenly criminals would also not get their hands on guns one way or another?</quote>"no way this could have been prevented, says only country where this regularly happens"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhisperWolf2005 03/15/23 10:19:07 AM #54:	Yes <cite>WhisperWolf2005 posted [p:972185883] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 03/15/23 10:21:18 AM #55:	It's a nice deterrent for would be home invaders whether you own one or not. --- Oda break tracker 2022- 13 (3) \| THE Ohio State:11-1 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 6-9 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:972185921] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>It's a nice deterrent for would be home invaders whether you own one or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 03/15/23 10:38:47 AM #56:	I feel like most of the people defending "guns for self defense" this are speaking based on ideology rather than observed reality. I say this as someone very conflicted on guns who doesn't want working people disarmed, but also recognizes that having a lot of them is a public health catastrophe. How many safely stored, locked, and disassembled guns are actually used for the scenarios people are discussing here? How many people got their guns out of their safe, assembled them, loaded them, and then used them to defend themselves from someone who was attempting to cause them bodily harm? I don't think we have the numbers for that, but we absolutely do have the numbers for suicides, gun theft, and loose guns being used to commit crimes, and they're awful. People are refusing to acknowledge that disparity, it seems. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:972186273] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>I feel like most of the people defending "guns for self defense" this are speaking based on ideology rather than observed reality. I say this as someone very conflicted on guns who doesn't want working people disarmed, but also recognizes that having a lot of them is a public health catastrophe. How many safely stored, locked, and disassembled guns are actually used for the scenarios people are discussing here? How many people got their guns out of their safe, assembled them, loaded them, and then used them to defend themselves from someone who was attempting to cause them bodily harm? I don't think we have the numbers for that, but we absolutely do have the numbers for suicides, gun theft, and loose guns being used to commit crimes, and they're awful. People are refusing to acknowledge that disparity, it seems. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 03/15/23 10:40:38 AM #57:	Odds are if you keep a gun in your home itll end up hurting a loved one or yourself rather than an intruder. I just keep a few bats/golf clubs/walking sticks in a few strategic places --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:972186306] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Odds are if you keep a gun in your home itll end up hurting a loved one or yourself rather than an intruder. I just keep a few bats/golf clubs/walking sticks in a few strategic places</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 03/15/23 10:47:56 AM #58:	Owning a gun for self-defense is fine in my book, especially if you live in a bad area of town or live a way's out of town far from any quick response or potential help. But gun ownership is a massive responsibility, it must come with the realization and acknowledgment that owning a gun is statistically the most likely indicator of you or a family member being shot, and the gun obssessed culture that many have where they can't go outside without their security blanket of an open- or concealed-carry firearm and that they base their lives around firearms is downright insane. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:972186444] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Owning a gun for self-defense is fine in my book, especially if you live in a bad area of town or live a way's out of town far from any quick response or potential help.But gun ownership is a massive responsibility, it must come with the realization and acknowledgment that owning a gun is statistically the most likely indicator of you or a family member being shot, and the gun obssessed culture that many have where they can't go outside without their security blanket of an open- or concealed-carry firearm and that they base their lives around firearms is downright insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 03/15/23 10:48:21 AM #59:	Absolutely. You don't know why someone is breaking in and the police could be upwards of 10 minutes away --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:972186450] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely. You don't know why someone is breaking in and the police could be upwards of 10 minutes away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evil_Nice_Guy 03/15/23 10:53:09 AM #60:	Speaking of police, if you are a minority and live in the ghetto and you try to call the police for help, the sad reality is that they'll take their sweet time getting to you. So if you can't rely on the police and you live in the ghetto then well you pretty much have no choice but to have a gun. <cite>Evil_Nice_Guy posted [p:972186536] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Speaking of police, if you are a minority and live in the ghetto and you try to call the police for help, the sad reality is that they'll take their sweet time getting to you. So if you can't rely on the police and you live in the ghetto then well you pretty much have no choice but to have a gun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsuprised_Pika 03/15/23 11:01:13 AM #61:	A married woman who takes reasonable precautions, has young kids, lives in a low crime area, owns 2 big dogs...house probably is safer without it. But a single woman living alone with no kids in a rural high crime area...a gun is probbaly a good idea. On average it might be less safe(factoring in accidents and domestic violence) but certainly some people are safer with one. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Wild Hearts hunts here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 <cite>Unsuprised_Pika posted [p:972186706] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>A married woman who takes reasonable precautions, has young kids, lives in a low crime area, owns 2 big dogs...house probably is safer without it.But a single woman living alone with no kids in a rural high crime area...a gun is probbaly a good idea. On average it might be less safe(factoring in accidents and domestic violence) but certainly some people are safer with one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/15/23 4:04:15 PM #62:	Kloe_Rinz posted... You dont understand what a statistic is do you of course you dont No, no, I do. But a gun statistic is generally pretty useless for predicting the outcome for a single person or gun. All the data deals in things with like a 0.5% or less chance to happen. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:972193210] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>You dont understand what a statistic is do you of course you dont</quote>No, no, I do. But a gun statistic is generally pretty useless for predicting the outcome for a single person or gun. All the data deals in things with like a 0.5% or less chance to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 03/15/23 4:11:56 PM #63:	If you know how to use it then obviously it's rational. You don't know what that intruder is coming into your home for. They could be a thief, a serial killer, a rapist, or kidnapper. They're not going to leave a politely worded note on your door telling you which. I am for very, very strict gun laws. I am for making legal owners jump through multiple required hoops to get their permits. I am for making damn sure kids can't get their hands on it and end up dead or injured. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:972193391] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>If you know how to use it then obviously it's rational. You don't know what that intruder is coming into your home for. They could be a thief, a serial killer, a rapist, or kidnapper. They're not going to leave a politely worded note on your door telling you which. I am for very, very strict gun laws. I am for making legal owners jump through multiple required hoops to get their permits. I am for making damn sure kids can't get their hands on it and end up dead or injured.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Wheelman1 03/15/23 4:21:20 PM #64:	Yes it important to have one in case of a home invasion. I dont want to shoot anyone but I will if my life depends on it. --- XBox Live GT: MastaMez PSN: KoolMez The Topic Killer \_0_/ <cite>The_Wheelman1 posted [p:972193618] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Yes it important to have one in case of a home invasion.I dont want to shoot anyone but I will if my life depends on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingThing 03/15/23 4:35:32 PM #65:	This really shouldn't concern most people on this board because they will never own a home. And, the second you think to yourself "it is highly unlikely that an armed home robbery would happen to me" is probably when an armed home robbery will happen to you. --- he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he/he <cite>KingThing posted [p:972193935] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>This really shouldn't concern most people on this board because they will never own a home.And, the second you think to yourself "it is highly unlikely that an armed home robbery would happen to me" is probably when an armed home robbery will happen to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 03/15/23 4:38:49 PM #66:	Southernfatman posted... Of course it's rational. Not everyone has the luxury or privilege to live in nice neighborhoods where cops can be there at the snap of a finger. <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:972194012] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>Of course it's rational. Not everyone has the luxury or privilege to live in nice neighborhoods where cops can be there at the snap of a finger.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 03/15/23 4:48:46 PM #67:	Southernfatman posted... Of course it's rational. Mr exact words. Just be safe with it. --- Why should we wait for some better time? There may not even be a tomorrow. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:972194231] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Southernfatman posted... </cite><quote>Of course it's rational.</quote> Mr exact words. Just be safe with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NonDairyMiltank 03/15/23 5:13:08 PM #68:	Is it rational to own a gun as a self defense weapon against a home invasion? if youre licensed and educated on using one hell yes activists who sympathize with home intruders throw female victims under the bus as a woman im not going to hesitate shooting a prowler who broke into my home armed with their own weapon i have to worry about them being a murderer, a rapist, or both my weapon is for self defense an intruder brings a weapon to threaten, maim, kill the occupants, period they busted into my home holding a weapon ready to bust my skull and im supposed to hold back...? hell the fuck no home intruders with a record have a habit of hitting the same homes again or sendin one of their homies especially when its armed creeps lookin to rape a woman living alone i could let them escape so they can try again later...or OR i could just empty the chamber into their sick ass so i can sleep again hmmm hard choice dont like it, dont bust into someone else's home dont vote for privileged grifters who say its okay to --- Moo. #Listen&Investigate <cite>NonDairyMiltank posted [p:972194752] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote><quote>Is it rational to own a gun as a self defense weapon against a home invasion?</quote>if youre licensed and educated on using onehell yesactivists who sympathize with home intruders throw female victims under the busas a woman im not going to hesitate shooting a prowler who broke into my home armed with their own weaponi have to worry about them being a murderer, a rapist, or bothmy weapon is for self defensean intruder brings a weapon to threaten, maim, kill the occupants, periodthey busted into my home holding a weapon ready to bust my skull and im supposed to hold back...?hell the fuck nohome intruders with a record have a habit of hitting the same homes again or sendin one of their homiesespecially when its armed creeps lookin to rape a woman living alonei could let them escape so they can try again later...or OR i could just empty the chamber into their sick ass so i can sleep againhmmm hard choicedont like it, dont bust into someone else's homedont vote for privileged grifters who say its okay to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 03/15/23 5:52:50 PM #69:	NonDairyMiltank posted... if youre licensed and educated on using one hell yes activists who sympathize with home intruders throw female victims under the bus as a woman im not going to hesitate shooting a prowler who broke into my home armed with their own weapon i have to worry about them being a murderer, a rapist, or both my weapon is for self defense an intruder brings a weapon to threaten, maim, kill the occupants, period they busted into my home holding a weapon ready to bust my skull and im supposed to hold back...? hell the fuck no home intruders with a record have a habit of hitting the same homes again or sendin one of their homies especially when its armed creeps lookin to rape a woman living alone i could let them escape so they can try again later...or OR i could just empty the chamber into their sick ass so i can sleep again hmmm hard choice dont like it, dont bust into someone else's home dont vote for privileged grifters who say its okay to This is a gigantic strawman. This isn't even a serious argument, why waste the energy to post it? You don't want to engage with what actual evidence shows, so you just make accusations that people who disagree with you are privileged, don't care about women, and really just really love home invaders. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:972195661] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>NonDairyMiltank posted... </cite><quote>if youre licensed and educated on using onehell yesactivists who sympathize with home intruders throw female victims under the busas a woman im not going to hesitate shooting a prowler who broke into my home armed with their own weaponi have to worry about them being a murderer, a rapist, or bothmy weapon is for self defensean intruder brings a weapon to threaten, maim, kill the occupants, periodthey busted into my home holding a weapon ready to bust my skull and im supposed to hold back...?hell the fuck nohome intruders with a record have a habit of hitting the same homes again or sendin one of their homiesespecially when its armed creeps lookin to rape a woman living alonei could let them escape so they can try again later...or OR i could just empty the chamber into their sick ass so i can sleep againhmmm hard choicedont like it, dont bust into someone else's homedont vote for privileged grifters who say its okay to</quote>This is a gigantic strawman. This isn't even a serious argument, why waste the energy to post it? You don't want to engage with what actual evidence shows, so you just make accusations that people who disagree with you are privileged, don't care about women, and really just really love home invaders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/15/23 7:09:06 PM #70:	If they break into your home treat them as hostile, use deadly force to keep your family and yourself safe. If they do not want to get shot then dont break into peoples homes. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:972197167] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>If they break into your home treat them as hostile, use deadly force to keep your family and yourself safe. If they do not want to get shot then dont break into peoples homes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 12:30:14 AM #71:	Gobstoppers12 posted... No, no, I do. But a gun statistic is generally pretty useless for predicting the outcome for a single person or gun. All the data deals in things with like a 0.5% or less chance to happen. Nobody cares if you think you arent a risk. Statistics dont lie and I trust the statistics. The world is safer without guns. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972203408] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>No, no, I do. But a gun statistic is generally pretty useless for predicting the outcome for a single person or gun. All the data deals in things with like a 0.5% or less chance to happen.</quote>Nobody cares if you think you arent a risk. Statistics dont lie and I trust the statistics. The world is safer without guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Just_a_loser 03/16/23 12:37:09 AM #72:	Statistically people who own guns in the house are more likely to kill themselves or their loved ones over any would be intruder. So many accidents or misfires happens. You can just as easily shoot your friend, your wife, your kids, your cat, whoever. Gun safety is far more important than actually using a gun. A gun is fine as long as you are trained in how to actually use it and you take all safety precautions. --- Your face looks like I need a beer. <cite>Just_a_loser posted [p:972203498] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Statistically people who own guns in the house are more likely to kill themselves or their loved ones over any would be intruder.So many accidents or misfires happens. You can just as easily shoot your friend, your wife, your kids, your cat, whoever.Gun safety is far more important than actually using a gun. A gun is fine as long as you are trained in how to actually use it and you take all safety precautions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/16/23 12:46:06 AM #73:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Nobody cares if you think you arent a risk I guess that's fair, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they think I am a risk lol --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:972203616] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Nobody cares if you think you arent a risk</quote>I guess that's fair, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they think I am a risk lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 12:47:07 AM #74:	Gobstoppers12 posted... I guess that's fair, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they think I am a risk lol Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety, even if gun nuts abandoned that in America <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972203631] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>I guess that's fair, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter if they think I am a risk lol</quote>Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety, even if gun nuts abandoned that in America </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/16/23 12:49:46 AM #75:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety Exactly, that's why I own a gun to protect myself. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:972203668] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety</quote>Exactly, that's why I own a gun to protect myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 1:00:48 AM #76:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Exactly, that's why I own a gun to protect myself. So you admit you dont understand statistics <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972203796] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite><quote>Exactly, that's why I own a gun to protect myself.</quote>So you admit you dont understand statistics </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
youenjoymyself1 03/16/23 1:32:04 AM #77:	Got my nineteen lemb and my thirty ott six <cite>youenjoymyself1 posted [p:972204090] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Got my nineteen lemb and my thirty ott six </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/16/23 1:46:55 AM #78:	Kloe_Rinz posted... So you admit you dont understand statistics Has there ever been even one single instance of a home invader being stopped by a would-be victim who had a firearm for self-defense purposes? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:972204225] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>So you admit you dont understand statistics</quote>Has there ever been even one single instance of a home invader being stopped by a would-be victim who had a firearm for self-defense purposes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Priere 03/16/23 1:49:16 AM #79:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety, even if gun nuts abandoned that in America When yu break into someone's house and threaten them, you kinda lose that right over here. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://i.imgur.com/PmX8smn.gif https://i.imgur.com/mwTy0iF.gif https://i.imgur.com/FCER80e.gif <cite>Priere posted [p:972204247] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Yes it does because everyone has a right to safety, even if gun nuts abandoned that in America</quote>When yu break into someone's house and threaten them, you kinda lose that right over here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 4:09:52 AM #80:	Priere posted... When yu break into someone's house and threaten them, you kinda lose that right over here. Yes obviously. The issue isnt with people who own guns using them for self defence. The issue is that the gun existing at all creates more danger than if it didnt exist. In a country with gun control, robbers and such would have a harder time obtaining guns to begin with, and even though its not impossible, the end result is that society is a significantly safer place <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972205210] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Priere posted... </cite><quote>When yu break into someone's house and threaten them, you kinda lose that right over here.</quote>Yes obviously. The issue isnt with people who own guns using them for self defence. The issue is that the gun existing at all creates more danger than if it didnt exist. In a country with gun control, robbers and such would have a harder time obtaining guns to begin with, and even though its not impossible, the end result is that society is a significantly safer place </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gildedwings 03/16/23 4:30:16 AM #81:	What you really need is an eye patch and a knife. Think about it, most robbers will attack at night. You need good night vision and a menacing look. Get an eye patch. Gun? What are you a sussy baka? Everyone knows close quarters combat is a more guaranteed kill. That's just basic science. --- Hope is the last thing to die. <cite>gildedwings posted [p:972205322] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>What you really need is an eye patch and a knife. Think about it, most robbers will attack at night. You need good night vision and a menacing look. Get an eye patch. Gun? What are you a sussy baka? Everyone knows close quarters combat is a more guaranteed kill. That's just basic science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 03/16/23 4:51:54 AM #82:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Yes obviously. The issue isnt with people who own guns using them for self defence. The issue is that the gun existing at all creates more danger than if it didnt exist. In a country with gun control, robbers and such would have a harder time obtaining guns to begin with, and even though its not impossible, the end result is that society is a significantly safer place Youre naive. The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh. And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again: cuttin_in_farm posted... Statistically speaking, having your gun in a hard to breach location, unloaded, and with safety on completely reduces your what if. How many tragic shootings happen if the conditions I listed are in place? Use that statistic. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:972205425] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Yes obviously. The issue isnt with people who own guns using them for self defence. The issue is that the gun existing at all creates more danger than if it didnt exist. In a country with gun control, robbers and such would have a harder time obtaining guns to begin with, and even though its not impossible, the end result is that society is a significantly safer place</quote>Youre naive.The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh.And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again:cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Statistically speaking, having your gun in a hard to breach location, unloaded, and with safety on completely reduces your what if.How many tragic shootings happen if the conditions I listed are in place? Use that statistic.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 4:59:24 AM #83:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Youre naive. The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh. And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again: I'm not gonna accept these trashy arguments from the only country where mass shootings regularly occur. Your argument is that there is little benefit in the short term to gun control and therefore it shouldn't even be attempted. Thats not a valid argument. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972205466] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Youre naive.The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh.And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again:</quote>I'm not gonna accept these trashy arguments from the only country where mass shootings regularly occur. Your argument is that there is little benefit in the short term to gun control and therefore it shouldn't even be attempted. Thats not a valid argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 03/16/23 5:09:06 AM #84:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Your argument is that there is little benefit in the short term to gun control ??? What? My argument is that stripping responsible folk from firearms wont prevent irresponsible gun owners from being stupid, to clarify. If Im misinterpreting you, apologies. But it seems like you are suggesting making guns hard to legally require. I think better education is the answer. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:972205532] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Your argument is that there is little benefit in the short term to gun control</quote>???What?My argument is that stripping responsible folk from firearms wont prevent irresponsible gun owners from being stupid, to clarify. If Im misinterpreting you, apologies. But it seems like you are suggesting making guns hard to legally require. I think better education is the answer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 03/16/23 6:21:56 AM #85:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Your strategy only works if we started fresh. Wrong. It works long term as well even if implemented now. Not even gonna bother reading any more the above when you can't even connect your short term thinking to this statement <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:972206046] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Your strategy only works if we started fresh.</quote>Wrong. It works long term as well even if implemented now. Not even gonna bother reading any more the above when you can't even connect your short term thinking to this statement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 03/16/23 6:42:01 AM #86:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Youre naive. The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh. And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again: if you have a gun unloaded in an inconvenient location it is useless if someone breaks in. obviously we need more and stricter gun control but an outright ban isn't realistic when we have like 400 million guns in 'murica. nonviolent people without mental illness and any criminal history owning guns is fine imo --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:972206205] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite><quote>Youre naive.The problem is that guns are already in circulation. Your strategy only works if we started fresh.And a lot of people dont know how to use statistics. Statistics dont predict a factual outcome. Nor are yall considering factors. Again:</quote>if you have a gun unloaded in an inconvenient location it is useless if someone breaks in. obviously we need more and stricter gun control but an outright ban isn't realistic when we have like 400 million guns in 'murica. nonviolent people without mental illness and any criminal history owning guns is fine imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Son_Of_Spam 03/16/23 6:51:18 AM #87:	VampireCoyote posted... Odds are if you keep a gun in your home itll end up hurting a loved one or yourself rather than an intruder. I just keep a few bats/golf clubs/walking sticks in a few strategic places Most of these statistics involving gun-related deaths at home I see include suicides (which cause a majority of ALL gun deaths in the US) and domestic violence. If no one in your house is suicidal and no one is a domestic abuser your chance of someone in your household dying from your own guns are pretty small. --- 17 years on Gamefaqs, and I still don't have a signature. <cite>Son_Of_Spam posted [p:972206285] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>VampireCoyote posted... </cite><quote>Odds are if you keep a gun in your home itll end up hurting a loved one or yourself rather than an intruder. I just keep a few bats/golf clubs/walking sticks in a few strategic places</quote>Most of these statistics involving gun-related deaths at home I see include suicides (which cause a majority of ALL gun deaths in the US) and domestic violence. If no one in your house is suicidal and no one is a domestic abuser your chance of someone in your household dying from your own guns are pretty small.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 03/16/23 6:53:36 AM #88:	andel posted... if you have a gun unloaded in an inconvenient location it is useless if someone breaks in. This is not true. I can get to my gun and load it quite fast. An intruder isnt B lining it straight to me. Especially if they are still in the process of entering in the first place. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:972206307] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>andel posted... </cite><quote>if you have a gun unloaded in an inconvenient location it is useless if someone breaks in. </quote>This is not true. I can get to my gun and load it quite fast. An intruder isnt B lining it straight to me. Especially if they are still in the process of entering in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/16/23 2:02:15 PM #90:	Millions of responsible gun owners did not harm anyone this month, this week, and today. You likely know or have been next to a concealed carrying person and never known it because they are responsible. Stop the fear mongering, most gun owners are responsible people who dont harm anyone. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:972212618] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Millions of responsible gun owners did not harm anyone this month, this week, and today.You likely know or have been next to a concealed carrying person and never known it because they are responsible.Stop the fear mongering, most gun owners are responsible people who dont harm anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/16/23 2:34:33 PM #92:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Actually the high gun violence is due to gangs killing each other or trying to with illegal guns. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:972213351] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Actually the high gun violence is due to gangs killing each other or trying to with illegal guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 03/16/23 2:47:45 PM #93:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] What percentage of these events are from legally acquired guns? And then what percentage of legal gun owners experience a tragic shooting? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:972213613] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> What percentage of these events are from legally acquired guns?And then what percentage of legal gun owners experience a tragic shooting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Euripides 03/16/23 4:43:45 PM #94:	GUN OWNERS: We're safer when there are more guns. ME (COURTESY OF JON STEWART): When is that going to happen? --- he/him/his <cite>Euripides posted [p:972216161] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>GUN OWNERS: We're safer when there are more guns.ME (COURTESY OF JON STEWART): When is that going to happen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 03/16/23 4:46:54 PM #95:	it's not completely irrational but it's really fucking weird --- https://i.imgur.com/286sD4e.png http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html <cite>Choco posted [p:972216216] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>it's not completely irrational but it's really fucking weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sansoldier 03/16/23 4:54:41 PM #96:	I'd rather have a gun owner sign on my house but not actually own one. Get the benefit of deterrence without the risk. --- http://www.youtube.com/user/san3711 <cite>Sansoldier posted [p:972216370] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>I'd rather have a gun owner sign on my house but not actually own one. Get the benefit of deterrence without the risk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Son_Of_Spam 03/16/23 5:35:31 PM #97:	Sansoldier posted... I'd rather have a gun owner sign on my house but not actually own one. Get the benefit of deterrence without the risk. Not a good idea. You're basically telling burglars who stake out places that you have a lot of valuable guns for them to take when you aren't at home. --- 17 years on Gamefaqs, and I still don't have a signature. <cite>Son_Of_Spam posted [p:972217240] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Sansoldier posted... </cite><quote>I'd rather have a gun owner sign on my house but not actually own one. Get the benefit of deterrence without the risk.</quote>Not a good idea. You're basically telling burglars who stake out places that you have a lot of valuable guns for them to take when you aren't at home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/16/23 5:43:15 PM #98:	Son_Of_Spam posted... Not a good idea. You're basically telling burglars who stake out places that you have a lot of valuable guns for them to take when you aren't at home. That would encourage thieves big time as they figure that you are so arrogant to advertise you might have some expensive tools. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:972217402] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Son_Of_Spam posted... </cite><quote>Not a good idea. You're basically telling burglars who stake out places that you have a lot of valuable guns for them to take when you aren't at home.</quote>That would encourage thieves big time as they figure that you are so arrogant to advertise you might have some expensive tools.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 03/16/23 6:00:14 PM #99:	voldothegr8 posted... It's a nice deterrent for would be home invaders whether you own one or not. I feel like this is the only meaningful pro-gun thing that someone has said that isn't "well I would never have an accident" or doing the weird Schrodinger's Gun that would be impossible to misuse because of safety reasons but is trivially accessible in emergency situations. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:972217741] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>voldothegr8 posted... </cite><quote>It's a nice deterrent for would be home invaders whether you own one or not.</quote>I feel like this is the only meaningful pro-gun thing that someone has said that isn't "well I would never have an accident" or doing the weird Schrodinger's Gun that would be impossible to misuse because of safety reasons but is trivially accessible in emergency situations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 03/16/23 6:01:47 PM #100:	I'd say most people that buy a gun for this are actually buying it and hoping they get their home invaded --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:972217775] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>I'd say most people that buy a gun for this are actually buying it and hoping they get their home invaded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 03/16/23 6:04:13 PM #101:	It's rational. You don't think about it unless you live in a bad neighborhood and/or someone breaks into your property/house. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:972217831] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>It's rational. You don't think about it unless you live in a bad neighborhood and/or someone breaks into your property/house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
youenjoymyself1 03/16/23 7:16:01 PM #102:	Irony posted... I'd say most people that buy a gun for this are actually buying it and hoping they get their home invaded Honestly that says more about you than it does them. I've been around guns my whole life and I don't know anyone with a gun in their house that is hoping someone kicks in their door in the middle of the night to fight in the dark. That's just stupid. Now people who carry guns everywhere, you're gonna come across a few cowboys here and there but that attitude goes out the window the first time shit actually hits the fan I carry generally everywhere I go and I know I don't want to deal with the stress, lack of sleep and almost inevitable lawsuit that comes with shooting someone in self defense. <cite>youenjoymyself1 posted [p:972219309] in Is it rati... [t:80379700]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>I'd say most people that buy a gun for this are actually buying it and hoping they get their home invaded</quote>Honestly that says more about you than it does them. I've been around guns my whole life and I don't know anyone with a gun in their house that is hoping someone kicks in their door in the middle of the night to fight in the dark. That's just stupid. Now people who carry guns everywhere, you're gonna come across a few cowboys here and there but that attitude goes out the window the first time shit actually hits the fan I carry generally everywhere I go and I know I don't want to deal with the stress, lack of sleep and almost inevitable lawsuit that comes with shooting someone in self defense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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