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Tom_Joad
03/05/23 8:46:29 AM
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Decision means word cannot be restricted in US only for kind made originally in France or Switzerland

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/04/gruyere-describe-us-cheeses-court-rules

A US appeals court has ruled that the word gruyere is a common label for cheese and cannot be reserved just for the kind made originally in France or Switzerland.

The US does not have the same strict rules as Europe on the designation of origin for foods, said judges in the Richmond, Virginia-based US court of appeals for the fourth circuit.

The US Food and Drug Administration does set some standards for gruyere cheese, such as the existence in it of small holes or that such cheese is aged at least 90 days. But it does not establish criteria on geographic origin.

Cheese regardless of its location of production has been labelled and sold as gruyere in America for decades, the court said.

This concerned cheese produced in Wisconsin or as far away as the Netherlands, Germany or Austria, they added.

The Interprofession du Gruyre, which represents milk producers, cheesemakers and refiners in the gruyere industry in Switzerland, and its counterpart in France, had asked to have the term recorded in the US registry of trademarks.

When the US Patent and Trademark Office refused to do this, the industry groups filed suit and lost in early 2022. Judges with the appeals court have upheld the lower court ruling.

The Swiss and French plaintiffs cannot overcome what the record makes clear: cheese consumers in the United States understand Gruyere to refer to a type of cheese, which renders the term generic, the court said.

US dairy groups welcomed the ruling while the Swiss and French cheese federations were disappointed, their lawyer said.

We think the actual situation in the US market is different than as stated by the court of appeals, and we will continue to pursue vigorously our efforts to protect the certification mark for the high-quality Gruyere PDO (protected designation of origin) product in the US, attorney Richard Lehv said.

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LinkDaLunatic
03/05/23 9:22:03 AM
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other countries: you shouldn't mislabel your cheese, gruyere is for cheese with this specific origin
america: well our court said we can, so FUCK YOU losers, you suck my gruyere, it'll taste like FREEDOM

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Glob
03/05/23 9:23:16 AM
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America in being shit at cheese shocker.
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Blade_Trinity
03/05/23 9:25:00 AM
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Just more proof the US has no history and owns nothing original

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specialkid8
03/05/23 9:28:21 AM
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Good. France can fuck off with their culture gate keeping horseshit.

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LinkDaLunatic
03/05/23 9:30:29 AM
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specialkid8 posted...
Good. France can fuck off with their culture gate keeping horseshit.
who's your main? sign in and own this comment bud.

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SenlinRescinds
03/05/23 9:30:47 AM
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Not up to them to choose, this is mislabeled and false advertising.

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gu-gohan
03/05/23 9:52:26 AM
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specialkid8 posted...
Good. France can fuck off with their culture gate keeping horseshit.
It's actually swiss, not french cheese.

Maybe my opinion is biased since I'm swiss myself, but I disagree with that decision.

Gruyre (Greyerz in swiss german) is a region and a village in the canton fribourg. It's where this particular cheese originally comes from:
https://www.fribourgregion.ch/en/la-gruyere/gruyeres/

There is an irrefutable connection between the name of this particular sort of cheese and the location it originally comes from.

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Background_Guy
03/05/23 10:22:03 AM
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"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't just make your own cheese you have to buy it from us"
lmao get fucked
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Glob
03/05/23 10:23:20 AM
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Background_Guy posted...
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't just make your own cheese you have to buy it from us"
lmao get fucked

In fairness, the US cant just make their own cheese because theyre shit at it.
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Kaiganeer
03/05/23 10:24:20 AM
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yer in gruyeehaw country now, pardner
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Background_Guy
03/05/23 10:24:56 AM
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Glob posted...
In fairness, the US cant just make their own cheese because theyre shit at it.
Cope and seethe
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Revelation34
03/05/23 10:25:28 AM
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Background_Guy posted...

Cope and seethe


But he didn't say anything wrong.

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kirbymuncher
03/05/23 10:47:52 AM
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Seems like a pretty reasonable decision based on this honestly

Tom_Joad posted...
The Swiss and French plaintiffs cannot overcome what the record makes clear: cheese consumers in the United States understand Gruyere to refer to a type of cheese, which renders the term generic, the court said.

is there any point in being a stickler about using a specific name in a very specific circumstance when 99.9% of the public will just use it wrong anyway without having any idea there is a problem at all?

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KaZooo
03/05/23 10:53:44 AM
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This like how people would universally use "XEROX"?

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SenlinRescinds
03/05/23 10:56:13 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
Seems like a pretty reasonable decision based on this honestly

is there any point in being a stickler about using a specific name in a very specific circumstance when 99.9% of the public will just use it wrong anyway without having any idea there is a problem at all?
Doesn't matter, using it if not made in France or Switzerland is false advertising and these clown courts don't get to say otherwise.

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Revelation34
03/05/23 11:03:51 AM
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SenlinRescinds posted...

Doesn't matter, using it if not made in France or Switzerland is false advertising and these clown courts don't get to say otherwise.


False advertisement is illegal. So you should sue the United States government.

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Background_Guy
03/05/23 11:05:54 AM
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SenlinRescinds posted...
Doesn't matter, using it if not made in France or Switzerland is false advertising and these clown courts don't get to say otherwise.
It's not false advertising if it fits the FDA definition of gruyere
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ellis123
03/05/23 11:07:30 AM
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KaZooo posted...
This like how people would universally use "XEROX"?
Kind of, yeah. Americans don't know how to actually call things the thing that they are, they just call it by the biggest name brand that they know of.

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SenlinRescinds
03/05/23 11:12:25 AM
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Background_Guy posted...
It's not false advertising if it fits the FDA definition of gruyere
It's false advertising period. FDA can fuck off if they think otherwise

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Hornezz
03/05/23 11:12:47 AM
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"Cheese flavored sandwich slices"

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Background_Guy
03/05/23 11:19:48 AM
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SenlinRescinds posted...
It's false advertising period. FDA can fuck off if they think otherwise
It's false advertising because foreign governments say they're the only ones allowed to make specific types of food? lmao, fuck that nonsense.

"You're not allowed to call it a hamburger unless it was grilled on American soil, you have to call it a ground beef patty sandwich treat."
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SenlinRescinds
03/05/23 11:22:29 AM
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Background_Guy posted...
It's false advertising because foreign governments say they're the only ones allowed to make specific types of food? lmao, fuck that nonsense.

"You're not allowed to call it a hamburger unless it was grilled on American soil, you have to call it a ground beef patty sandwich treat."
Cry more, facts are facts.

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EbonTitanium
03/05/23 11:23:15 AM
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It sounds similar to the bourbon law.

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Tom_Joad
03/05/23 11:37:19 AM
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Glob posted...
In fairness, the US cant just make their own cheese because theyre shit at it.

For the most part, yeah.

Monterey Jack and Pepper Jack cheeses are pretty good, though.

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Tom_Joad
03/05/23 11:39:01 AM
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Background_Guy posted...
It's false advertising because foreign governments say they're the only ones allowed to make specific types of food? lmao, fuck that nonsense.

"You're not allowed to call it a hamburger unless it was grilled on American soil, you have to call it a ground beef patty sandwich treat."

You mean that... Hamburg steak on a bun?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/8/AAfQqfAAEPqi.jpg

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hockeybub89
03/05/23 11:41:48 AM
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I thought this was about cheeses that aren't Gruyere being called that, but it's apparently about making that literal cheese in the wrong country and calling it Gruyere? Can they not make Swiss cheese in Wisconsin either?

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ellis123
03/05/23 11:48:38 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I thought this was about cheeses that aren't Gruyere being called that, but it's apparently about making that literal cheese in the wrong country and calling it Gruyere?
It is because there are immutable attributes that aren't transferred just by being close to the original. For instance, this would be akin to calling all sparkling white wine champagne. In addition, because different areas are home to different bacteria, and in ways that cannot be transferred, this isn't too far off of being able to call beef "buffalo": the actual species of bacteria is being called into question. This will, obviously, give the cheese a different taste and people that actually care will not be happy with the end result. Just because something in vaguely similar will not be good enough for such a person, it is the wrong thing.

And Swiss cheese is not considered a food protected by appellation, so you can make it anywhere that is conducive towards making it.

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Revelation34
03/05/23 11:52:21 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I thought this was about cheeses that aren't Gruyere being called that, but it's apparently about making that literal cheese in the wrong country and calling it Gruyere? Can they not make Swiss cheese in Wisconsin either?


Swiss cheese is Gruyere cheese. The real one I mean. What you're referring to is just an American version. It's the same thing with Muenster cheese and Munster cheese.

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A_Good_Boy
03/05/23 11:53:41 AM
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's still probably not a duck because it didn't originate from a tiny region in France so it's actually a sparkling Duck-lite.

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Bio1590
03/05/23 12:12:44 PM
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Literally who the fuck uses "Gruyere" as a generic term

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Background_Guy
03/05/23 1:30:54 PM
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SenlinRescinds posted...
Cry more, facts are facts.
According to the law I'm the one speaking facts here lmao.

This nationalist bullshit is so dumb.
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Glob
03/05/23 5:49:01 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
Cope and seethe

This is a really odd response.
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Irony
03/05/23 5:51:11 PM
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Glob posted...
In fairness, the US cant just make their own cheese because theyre shit at it.
Except the best cheeses originate from the US

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KnightofShikari
03/05/23 5:53:43 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyimUCBIo6c

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BurmesePenguin
03/05/23 5:56:22 PM
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I'm not sure if I actually believe in the designated origin of cheese labels. Are the resources of a geographic point of origin really impossible to replicate to the point that it would be unreasonable to label a cheese with the name of said?

It all strikes me very much as an economic subsidy thing.
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Glob
03/05/23 6:03:14 PM
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Irony posted...
Except the best cheeses originate from the US

I dont believe that you believe this.
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kirbymuncher
03/05/23 6:07:08 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Literally who the fuck uses "Gruyere" as a generic term
Me?

I mean not really me I don't think I would ever say the word, but I didn't know until this topic that it is supposed to mean cheese from a certain place instead of cheese made in a certain way

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xGhostchantx
03/05/23 6:15:06 PM
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We can't call sparkling wine champagne here anymore unless it comes from Champagne.

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FunkyCat
03/05/23 6:17:16 PM
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If cheddar not made by the witch of Wookey Hole can be called cheddar than other cheeses can suffer the sane fate tbh.

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Gritty
03/05/23 6:18:25 PM
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specialkid8 posted...
Good. France can fuck off with their culture gate keeping horseshit.
Go yell that crap at Kentucky
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K181
03/05/23 6:18:32 PM
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Euros get really mad over anyone else using their precious words for their local varieties of various types of food and drink.

How dare you sir, kerfluxiplop beer can only be brewed in the ancient kerfluxipop abbey from locally spurced grains fertilized by dung from our region's specialty short-haired shaggy cows.

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Glob
03/05/23 6:56:07 PM
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K181 posted...
Euros get really mad over anyone else using their precious words for their local varieties of various types of food and drink.

How dare you sir, kerfluxiplop beer can only be brewed in the ancient kerfluxipop abbey from locally spurced grains fertilized by dung from our region's specialty short-haired shaggy cows.

You say that as if its a bad thing.

Nothing is stopping Americans from making their own cheese (apart from their own ineptitude) but being able to identify foods more specifically is a good thing.
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Tom_Joad
03/05/23 7:05:25 PM
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Glob posted...
You say that as if its a bad thing.

Nothing is stopping Americans from making their own cheese (apart from their own ineptitude) but being able to identify foods more specifically is a good thing.

There are good American cheeses. It's just that the most popular cheeses in America are the crap ones.

Colby, for example, is an excellent cheese. Monterey Jack (and its variants) is another.

Cream cheese (for bagels) is like Neufchtel... and is excellent, too.


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Disengaged
03/05/23 7:10:55 PM
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Fuck yeah, I'm gonna make my own gruyere cheese now.

Let me just Google some directions for making cheese.

Fuck that shit.

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St0rmFury
03/05/23 8:01:58 PM
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I want to see the FDA try it with champagne.

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Ratchetrockon
03/05/23 8:05:50 PM
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i want to see blind test done between the real vs fake gruyere cheeses. please

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SHRIKE
03/05/23 8:09:23 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Kind of, yeah. Americans don't know how to actually call things the thing that they are, they just call it by the biggest name brand that they know of.

Which would make sense if anyone had actually heard of Gruyere before. I wonder what cheese producer in the US has been lobbying recently to get this pushed through.
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