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DrizztLink
03/02/23 9:54:17 PM
#51:


Axiom posted...
They as a singular has been used long before you were born. Get over it
William Shakespeare isn't that important.

Or Emily Dickinson.

Or Chaucer, who wrote in fucking Middle English and used singular they.

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Glob
03/02/23 9:54:18 PM
#52:


the_pika posted...
I didnt say it was. I dont even think thats the case

Okay. Then whats the point of the topic?
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Baha05
03/02/23 9:55:03 PM
#53:


Dakimakura posted...
dats bait


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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 9:55:33 PM
#54:


this topic is proof of a failure of the education system in whatever country TC lives in. They has always been an acceptable term to refer to an individual
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Ratchetrockon
03/02/23 9:56:30 PM
#55:


the_pika posted...
but wouldnt he and she be redundant now? They might as well go the way of thine and thee?

look into synonyms

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the_pika
03/02/23 9:57:57 PM
#56:


Axiom posted...
They as a singular has been used long before you were born. Get over it

see, IDK why people get upset, like this guy.

he didnt even bother reading OP, or hed know I pre-empted this faulty rebuttal too
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Kloe_Rinz
03/02/23 9:59:32 PM
#57:


So TC is just mad that a word hasnt changed meanings for a long time and hasnt dropped out of popular use? They think that just because some words meanings change with time that all words always have to change?
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iPhone_7
03/02/23 10:00:42 PM
#59:


I think youre just noticing it more. Noticing

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gildedwings
03/02/23 10:07:26 PM
#60:


They is just easier. I am not going to bother remembering everyone's gender even if they tell me ahead of time. I ain't got that kinda fucks to give so everyone is "they" now. There's no deeper meaning and people should thank me for not referring to them as "forgettable trash" instead.

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Delirious_Beard
03/02/23 10:08:18 PM
#61:


the_pika posted...
Blocked in 5 minutes (posting so u see it)

hey champ go ahead and do me too

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Smackems
03/02/23 10:11:25 PM
#62:


Smackems posted...
Hasn't disappointed

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the_pika
03/02/23 10:12:25 PM
#63:


Delirious_Beard posted...
hey champ go ahead and do me too

no u

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hockeybub89
03/02/23 10:12:51 PM
#64:


I've been using singular they for almost 30 years, regardless of whether or not I know someone's gender or pronouns. I even go back and forth between he/she and they for people.

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Trumble
03/02/23 10:13:10 PM
#65:


Gamingsince1989 posted...
Easier to just use "they" instead of assuming anything.
This, also personally I don't pay attention to usernames a lot of the time, let alone think about what they mean.

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the_pika
03/02/23 10:15:39 PM
#66:


hockeybub89 posted...
I've been using singular they for almost 30 years, regardless of whether or not I know someone's gender or pronouns. I even go back and forth between he/she and they for people.


Trumble posted...
This, also personally I don't pay attention to usernames a lot of the time, let alone think about what they mean.

gotcha
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NoxObscuras
03/02/23 10:16:14 PM
#67:


the_pika posted...
see, IDK why people get upset, like this guy.

he didnt even bother reading OP, or hed know I pre-empted this faulty rebuttal too
Where in the OP did you pre-empt his rebuttal? They has been used for singular individuals all the time as a gender neutral term. Maybe it's something that has stood out to you recently, but it's not a recent thing.

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emblem-man
03/02/23 10:16:18 PM
#68:


the_pika posted...
but wouldnt he and she be redundant now? They might as well go the way of thine and thee?

No, it wouldn't be redundant.


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HudGard
03/02/23 10:17:51 PM
#69:


What is: the title of M Night Shyamalans new movie.

Ill take Big Screen Pronouns for $800

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the_pika
03/02/23 10:50:38 PM
#70:


NoxObscuras posted...
Where in the OP did you pre-empt his rebuttal? They has been used for singular individuals all the time as a gender neutral term. Maybe it's something that has stood out to you recently, but it's not a recent thing.

shakespeare, thy/thine, etc.

just because something was used centuries ago it doesnt mean it kept being used in the 1950s, 1970s, 1990s or 2010s
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SSJKirby
03/02/23 11:04:49 PM
#71:


TC experiencing the BaaderMeinhof phenomenon and they can't handle it

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Mistere_Man
03/02/23 11:04:51 PM
#72:


Here is some info on it

https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/

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ROOTFayth
03/02/23 11:09:51 PM
#74:


just use He by default, no females on da internet
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the_pika
03/02/23 11:38:28 PM
#75:


SSJKirby posted...
TC experiencing the BaaderMeinhof phenomenon and they can't handle it

yeah, why cant these guys and gals handle it? They even get mad and stuff :/

ROOTFayth posted...
just use He by default, no females on da internet

hahaha

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the_pika
03/02/23 11:47:05 PM
#77:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I made up the example. I meant it to be clearly male, but also, I put chad there too, since chad is a guy thing, you dont hear of female chads
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Sufferedphoneix
03/03/23 12:11:34 AM
#78:


the_pika posted...
I want to talk about something I have been noticing lately they use of they

this topic is not about trans individuals. I am fully aware that using they/them is the correct way to refer to trans individuals. This topic is about cis people.

imagine there is some dude, with a name such as CisMAGAchadJake or even better, an actual cis, male-born person known everywhere to be cis and male-born, say, Michael Jordan.

imagine he makes a topic in CE and gets banned, and someone posts CisMAGAchadJake got banned.

then someone replies what did they do?

why use they in this case instead of what did he do?

I am seeing this usage or them/they more and more and more frequently now, and it wasnt really a common thing a few years ago.

why is this happening? Some people get weirdly upset when this question is made (to clarify, I mean in the contest of using they for a single clearly cis individual), and they make present odd reasonings such as Shakespeare did it too or it was this way in the 19th century, which is odd, since they also used words such as thee, thy and thine.

I am legit curious

They is gender neutral. Ideally if we could just know who's trans and who's not they'd have their own word. But as it is going gender neutral is the easiest thing to do

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Supersex420
03/03/23 12:31:44 AM
#79:


So people should use fem pronouns for
me since I have a female username?

I've seen people do it so we're in the right place

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mario2000
03/03/23 12:54:46 AM
#80:


Look at this good faith topic where we're just asking questions

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NordicValkyria
03/03/23 2:11:18 AM
#81:


I thought about this just the other day. There was this youtuber that talked about another youtuber that youtubed the same kind of videos. This other youtuber is not only an obvious cis woman but refers to herself as she/her, but the person I watched still had to go they/them when it wasn't needed.

Mostly I think it's just a Gen Z thing, they're growing up in a more genderless world so it comes more natural to them. Apparently it's better to just not use gendered words than risking offending 1% of the population.
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Kloe_Rinz
03/03/23 2:57:47 AM
#82:


They is not a gen Z term, wtf is wrong with you people.
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VeryFatKid
03/03/23 3:30:56 AM
#83:


thought this was going to be a king diamond topic

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loafy013
03/03/23 3:37:11 AM
#84:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
I've stuck my foot in my mouth here like twice, because I default to "he". Im getting better but it doesn't feel good to misspeak and have someone tell you you're doing it intentionally to troll >_>. Lucky for me the person I did it to was super cool about it and didn't try to assume a bunch of reasoning behind it. She didn't have to do that and could of just watched me drown lol
I had a lady go full Karen on me like 30 years ago when I was working fast food. I tended to use sir or maam when working the drive thru. One time i said something like "I can't hear you over the helicopter sir, could you please pull around?" (We were right by a hospital. Those speakers amplified everything, and if it was flying overhead, you went deaf)

She pulled around and just started screaming and yelling. "Do I look like a sir?" Bosses told me after to be more careful and avoid using sir/maam when in drive thru.

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Kastrada
03/03/23 3:48:04 AM
#85:


the_pika posted...
shakespeare, thy/thine, etc.

just because something was used centuries ago it doesnt mean it kept being used in the 1950s, 1970s, 1990s or 2010s

But it has been used and continues to be used because it can be used as a placeholder when the question giver does not know the person being talked about.

I teach middle school English in South Korea and I give them this example:

Me: Hey everyone! We have a new science teacher starting this year.
Students: Oh neat! What's his name?
Me: Well actually, it's a woman. And her name is....

Or flip it with "her name" and "it's a man" instead. It's far simpler to respond with "What's their name?" without any need for correction.

They/their/them as a singular noun has been used for stuff like this forever. It's why it has outlasted thy/thine that you keep bringing it up. And it's why it's important to talk about how the singular form of these words predates Shakespeare because it de-weaponizes these bad-faith arguments that anti-trans bigots try to spew.

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TheWizardOfOrz
03/03/23 4:13:07 AM
#86:


the_pika posted...
why is this happening?
Why not? People know what you mean when you say it. That's language, it exists for communication.
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NordicValkyria
03/03/23 5:36:24 AM
#87:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
They is not a gen Z term, wtf is wrong with you people.

It's seen an increased use by Gen Z, and always in a "can't say he or she" way rather than the "I don't know their gender" way.
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Kloe_Rinz
03/03/23 6:32:54 AM
#89:


NordicValkyria posted...
It's seen an increased use by Gen Z
no it hasnt
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Gwynevere
03/03/23 7:43:47 AM
#90:


TC was successful in stirring up some shit

As shit stirrers do

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
03/03/23 7:56:59 AM
#91:


the_pika posted...


I am seeing this usage or them/they more and more and more frequently now, and it wasnt really a common thing a few years ago.
I've used they in this context for over 20 years

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A_Good_Boy
03/03/23 8:05:13 AM
#92:


Every single time I see TC post it's in relation to his poor grammar, spelling, or misunderstanding of definitions. TC, why do you have such a poor grasp of the English language? Think back deep because you might want to sue some of your teachers, cause they failed you fucking hard.

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the_pika
03/03/23 8:07:59 AM
#93:


mario2000 posted...
Look at this good faith topic where we're just asking questions

you have been acting super sketchy the entire topic.
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CyricZ
03/03/23 8:09:58 AM
#94:


An unattributed "they" in reference to a complaint is always "listener's choice". It divests the speaker of responsibility for specific finger pointing, and the listener instead fills in that blank of their own accord to whomever they think deserves to be there.

And both the speaker and listener find themselves in pleasant "agreement". Even if they don't actually agree, they believe that they might agree.

And just to prevent a lack of attribution, I will say my "they" refers writ large to conservative pundits and their audiences.

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the_pika
03/03/23 8:12:21 AM
#95:


Gwynevere posted...
TC was successful in stirring up some shit

As shit stirrers do

this is the shit that bothers me. Its basically
this:

me: what can I do so my cat doesnt scratch my table? Declawing is not an option its barbaric. I have bought my cat scratch posts and stuff like that, anything else I can do?

you: KHAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN Y U WANNA DECLAW CAT!?!?

me: no, no, I said I would never do that, in my OP

you: look at this successful cat declawer! As cat declawers do!!

how the fuck am I stirring shit?
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the_pika
03/03/23 8:13:25 AM
#96:


CyricZ posted...
An unattributed "they" in reference to a complaint is always "listener's choice". It divests the speaker of responsibility for specific finger pointing, and the listener instead fills in that blank of their own accord to whomever they think deserves to be there.

And both the speaker and listener find themselves in pleasant "agreement". Even if they don't actually agree, they believe that they might agree.

And just to prevent a lack of attribution, I will say my "they" refers writ large to conservative pundits and their audiences.

this makes sense

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NordicValkyria
03/03/23 8:27:37 AM
#97:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
no it hasnt

Yes, it has. This wasn't such a big thing 20 years ago.
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Kloe_Rinz
03/03/23 8:37:11 AM
#98:


NordicValkyria posted...
Yes, it has. This wasn't such a big thing 20 years ago.
you wernt born 20 years ago
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ROBANN_88
03/03/23 8:55:14 AM
#99:


Speaking as a 'English as second language ' person, it did take some time for me to get used to "they" as singular.
It just felt like it didn't make sense, grammaticaly.

Now, that i've gotten over that initial hump, it kinda feels like a silly thing to take issue with

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Sufferedphoneix
03/03/23 8:57:00 AM
#100:


ROBANN_88 posted...
Speaking as a 'English as second language ' person, it did take some time for me to get used to "they" as singular.
It just felt like it didn't make sense, grammaticaly.

Now, that i've gotten over that initial hump, it kinda feels like a silly thing to take issue with

As an English speaker it took me some time as well. What got me used to it is I hate lying but I'm also closeted bisexual. So when I talked about a bf I'd use they instead of he or him so I wasn't technically lying.

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NordicValkyria
03/03/23 9:27:10 AM
#101:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
you wernt born 20 years ago

..That's news to me.
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