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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 3:39:59 AM
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You have to expose that Toko is Genocide Jack you do Hangman's gambit and the word you have to spell out is "Schizo"

Isn't that kind of slurish? >_>
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stage4saiyan
02/21/23 3:44:37 AM
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No.

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Mensis
02/21/23 3:55:14 AM
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It's stupid because she has multiple personality disorder not schizophrenia

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Divinehero
02/21/23 4:32:28 AM
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Mensis posted...
It's stupid because she has multiple personality disorder not schizophrenia

alot of media has trouble distinguishing the two thinking they're the same when they are very obviously not only game i can think of off the top of my head that does it correctly (or close enuf anyway) is pheonix wright spirit of justice

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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:46:57 AM
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I don't even remember that being an element of SoJ. Who? The magic show guy?
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Divinehero
02/21/23 3:49:48 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
I don't even remember that being an element of SoJ. Who? The magic show guy?

case 6-4 it's Uendo and athena calls the disorder by it's correct name even if they do take some liberties w/ how it functions in comparison to real life

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Irony
02/21/23 3:50:53 PM
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The only thing I remember about the first game is that Junko is so fucking hot

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Smiffwilm
02/21/23 3:55:47 PM
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Yes. That's the fucked up part in this game, not the high school kids being forced to brutally murder each other by a talking teddy bear with a despair fetish part.

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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 3:57:13 PM
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Smiffwilm posted...
Yes. That's the fucked up part in this game, not the high school kids being forced to brutally murder each other by a talking teddy bear with a despair fetish part.
Extremely weird post.
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TMOG
02/21/23 3:59:07 PM
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Second trial is also fucked up due to using the trans-coded character's gender as a plot twist that isn't handled appropriately at all. Yes I know Chihiro identified as male and was just a crossdresser due to poorly-conceived "manly" reasons but goddamn the game didn't do the reveal or the buildup to it very well and it felt really wrong when everybody immediately swapped pronouns without even considering that Chihiro may have been genuinely trans, since he was introducing and presenting himself as a girl.
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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:01:01 PM
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The Chihiro thing isn't handled the greatest, but ultimately I just view them as not-trans and don't get into the headcannon of it, and it becomes more bearable.

Legitimately I don't think Kodaka had any thought about transgenderism in the character and it's all just a very unfortunate coincidence. Maybe that's wrong, but that's the feel I get from how the case expresses the matter.
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TMOG
02/21/23 4:03:13 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
The Chihiro thing isn't handled the greatest, but ultimately I just view them as not-trans and don't get into the headcannon of it, and it becomes more bearable.
Yeah, on a replay when you know the character's history it becomes a little more palatable, but still a very poorly done character concept and execution overall imo. On a first playthrough when you don't know it's just jarring and offensive.
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LowRyder2005
02/21/23 4:03:32 PM
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Smiffwilm posted...
Yes. That's the fucked up part in this game, not the high school kids being forced to brutally murder each other by a talking teddy bear with a despair fetish part.

You won the thread, LOL.
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MuscleRobo
02/21/23 4:05:50 PM
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Smiffwilm posted...
Yes. That's the fucked up part in this game, not the high school kids being forced to brutally murder each other by a talking teddy bear with a despair fetish part.
Danganronpa fans are so weird. I knew someone who stopped playing the series after a character mentioned being abused as a child in Ultra Despair Girls saying it was too dark, too offensive and they should never have went that far. Keep in mind in the previous game, warning this is actually messed up, a corpse is raped.
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Irony
02/21/23 4:06:27 PM
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I don't remember that last part

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Beveren_Rabbit
02/21/23 4:07:12 PM
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Danganronpa games aren't politically correct. Even for the time a lot of the humor and dialogue is problematic. Especially in Ultra Despair Girls where child abuse is played off as a running gag.

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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:08:19 PM
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Irony posted...
I don't remember that last part
It's hard to remember things that never happened.

Also the thing he's bitching about his friend being upset about is by miles and miles the darkest thing in the entire franchise, so it's a weird whine.
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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:08:53 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Especially in Ultra Despair Girls where child abuse is played off as a running gag.
That's a very simplistic way to look at it, IMO.
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Smiffwilm
02/21/23 4:08:58 PM
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Irony posted...
I don't remember that last part
It's part of Makoto's explanation to the Remnants of Despair in regards to their true identities during the final trial of Danganronpa 2.

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TMOG
02/21/23 4:11:02 PM
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MuscleRobo posted...
I knew someone who stopped playing the series after a character mentioned being abused as a child in Ultra Despair Girls saying it was too dark, too offensive and they should never have went that far.
To be more specific the character in question is still about ten years old at most and was established to have been raped by multiple men due to being famous and has PTSD flashbacks and breakdowns upon hearing certain trigger words, and the game still goes on to sexualize her.

And another character in the same game is a grown man who outright says he's a pedophile. This character is considered a "hero".

UDG is a legitimately gross and creepy game.
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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:13:05 PM
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TMOG posted...
the game still goes on to sexualize her.
I don't think that's true.

TMOG posted...
This character is considered a "hero".
That's definitely not true.
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MuscleRobo
02/21/23 4:15:25 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
It's hard to remember things that never happened.

Also the thing he's bitching about his friend being upset about is by miles and miles the darkest thing in the entire franchise, so it's a weird whine.
Oops, we got a idiot with a selective memory. That's ok you don't remember it's when they're explaining what happened to Junko's corpse, as they were cutting it up and taking parts of her away some had sex with her body and even ripped out her uterus to try to use it. They even show an animation of a emaciated person humping "something" below frame. https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/qh8w8q/26_spoilers_mashed_potatoes/ There's a lot of stuff darker than what you were talking about.
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BurmesePenguin
02/21/23 4:16:59 PM
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When you said it was in the game I guess I assumed it was actually in the game and it wasn't just in the game that someone talked about it. My bad.
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MuscleRobo
02/21/23 4:18:34 PM
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People hate on Ultra Despair Girls because they hate to see us Toko fans winning.
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Beveren_Rabbit
02/21/23 4:20:10 PM
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The thing about UDG and Junko....

Junko was squished to death so there wasn't anything left of her body (except for her hand that Nagito took). It was most likely Mukuro's corpse they used believing it to be Junko.

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Beveren_Rabbit
02/21/23 4:20:31 PM
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the uterus thing is just a fan theory :)

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Drrobotniks
02/21/23 4:21:19 PM
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fail topic tc
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Irony
02/21/23 4:21:27 PM
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Are we still talking about Danganronpa or are we talking about EarthBound


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MuscleRobo
02/21/23 4:21:33 PM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
The thing about UDG and Junko....

Junko was squished to death so there wasn't anything left of her body (except for her hand that Nagito took). It was most likely Mukuro's corpse they used believing it to be Junko.

Oh cool, so it's normal then.
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TMOG
02/21/23 4:23:27 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
When you said it was in the game I guess I assumed it was actually in the game and it wasn't just in the game that someone talked about it. My bad.
It literally was established in the game though

Just because you didn't play through that part and it was given via exposition doesn't mean it isn't an event that happened in canon

This is a very strange hair to split
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Smiffwilm
02/21/23 4:23:38 PM
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TMOG posted...
To be more specific the character in question is still about ten years old at most and was established to have been raped by multiple men due to being famous and has PTSD flashbacks and breakdowns upon hearing certain trigger words, and the game still goes on to sexualize her.

And another character in the same game is a grown man who outright says he's a pedophile. This character is considered a "hero".

Disagree on that last word. You're clearly meant to hate the character because of that specific thing and are only forced to work with him due to the bigger active threat. The game throws several things at you about him to make you see that this is clearly a total piece of shit person, like being a total coward at the beginning in regards to the ongoing situation, wanting to kill all the kids without any debate on it later on, and abusing Monaca. It was ultimately meant to make you severely question that you, the player, maybe shouldn't side with him with that final choice regarding the controller at the end.

My point is, he was never considered a "hero".

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TMOG
02/21/23 4:25:50 PM
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Smiffwilm posted...
Disagree on that last word. You're clearly meant to hate the character because of that specific thing and are only forced to work with him due to the bigger active threat. The game throws several things at you about him to make you see that this is clearly a total piece of shit person, like being a total coward at the beginning in regards to the ongoing situation, wanting to kill all the kids without any debate on it later on, and abusing Monaca. It was ultimately meant to make you severely question that you, the player, maybe shouldn't side with him with that final choice regarding the controller at the end.

My point is, he was never considered a "hero".
Fair enough. To be honest I dipped out of UDG fairly early on (partially because of the gross vibes I kept getting from it, partially because I wasn't enjoying the gameplay) and picked up a lot from reading plot summaries and such, so I'm willing to admit that my knowledge is lacking in places due to not having actual first-hand experience.
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Beveren_Rabbit
02/21/23 8:51:23 PM
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also have to keep in mind that the first game came out in 2008 before the whole pronoun thing was common.

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Nightmare_Luna
02/21/23 8:57:54 PM
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UDG is definitely garbage

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Beveren_Rabbit
02/22/23 3:21:10 AM
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UDG isn't garbage. You just have to keep in mind it's still a visual novel. Despite the content the characters are well written. A 1 dimensional gag character like Toko was redeemed.

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 3:25:12 AM
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It's honestly one of my favourite game narratives ever.

Possibly one of my favourite games.
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Irony
02/22/23 2:47:19 PM
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UDG is fucking trash that doesn't even matter because it adds nothing.

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ApherosyLove
02/22/23 2:50:18 PM
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The version I played had you spell out DID for Disassociative Identity Disorder.

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 2:52:12 PM
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Yeah I watched a let's play of the first game based on a fan translation before the game was officially translated and it had DID in the Hangman's Gambit. Which is also kind of weird, but at least not offensive.
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ApherosyLove
02/22/23 2:52:36 PM
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It's literally what she had though?

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 2:53:20 PM
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I mean it's a weird thing to expect people to know the abbreviation of and not just guess wildly.
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mario2000
02/22/23 2:54:46 PM
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Yet another reason why the fan translation is superior.

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ApherosyLove
02/22/23 2:54:59 PM
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Oh. I learned about the abbreviation in my last year of high school and played the game during first year uni so I lucked out I guess.

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mario2000
02/22/23 3:05:46 PM
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Irony posted...
UDG is fucking trash that doesn't even matter because it adds nothing.

It gave us Fukawa/Komaru which is probably the best tag team in the series and also sets up SDR2.

At least it's not the DR3 anime.

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JKwaffle
02/22/23 3:15:13 PM
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I love the main 3 Dangonronpa games, but there's a LOT of problematic stuff in all of them. The story and characters are cool enough for me to play and enjoy them despite that, but it can be a hard series to recommend to people.

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Drrobotniks
02/22/23 3:16:41 PM
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JKwaffle posted...
I love the main 3 Dangonronpa games, but there's a LOT of problematic stuff in all of them. The story and characters are cool enough for me to play and enjoy them despite that, but it can be a hard series to recommend to people.
theres a lot of problematic stuff in all the DR games, all of them have violent murder and death
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YoungMutual
02/22/23 3:31:35 PM
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Divinehero posted...
case 6-4 it's Uendo and athena calls the disorder by it's correct name even if they do take some liberties w/ how it functions in comparison to real life
she better use the correct fucking name since she's a psychologist

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BurmesePenguin
02/22/23 3:42:38 PM
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Athena's occupation is actually waste of space character.
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mario2000
02/22/23 3:46:56 PM
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Athena's a good character. She just hasn't been allowed to be used to her full potential yet.

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