Current Events > Admin of ResetEra caught playing Hogwarts Legacy

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Funkydog posted...

I wasn't aware CE was a court of law.

Im saying that the vast majority of definitions including all legal definitions require the use of physical force. I had never seen any definition that didnt until this topic.

Physically accosting, forcibly removing and denying them medical treatment seems pretty close to physical violence to me.

Saying that its close is the same as admitting that physical violence is not happening.

CyricZ posted...

You act like governments haven't been drawing legal and "justified" blood throughout history.

Sure, but there is no blood yet.

To skip to the end, I'm talking about the police.

Should be more worried about the army if you wage war against the government.

hockeybub89 posted...

Every state making gender-affirming care illegal and criminalizing "harboring" a trans kid.

That isnt literal execution.

CyricZ posted...

Yeah when are they going to get on that.

Oh wait, they're not.

Nothing to get on.

No one has been executed by the government for being trans.

hockeybub89 posted...

How many LGBTQ people must be harmed by the government before it's considered drawing blood?

I guess all of them as long as the government doesn't literally ship them by train to gas chambers. You'll just continue to assure people that it is not yet time to panic. "Yeah LGBTQ people are suffering and dying due to hateful laws, but the government is not shooting them in the street! If we get too uppity, then the government might start the actual genocide!"

Im just saying that actual genocide isnt being enacted on trans people in America.

DraculaCrest posted...

Sure, but there is no blood yet.

I'm not sure I really want to ask what your definition of blood is.

Because I am in fact speaking of literal human blood being spilled.

CyricZ posted...

I'm not sure I really want to ask what your definition of blood is.

Because I am in fact speaking of literal human blood being spilled.

Again, which trans people are being physically killed by the government solely for being trans?

DraculaCrest posted...

Again, which trans people are being physically killed by the government solely for being trans?

Does denying them their health care count?

Guys, it is pretty obvious.

Only complain about harm once you've been killed. Before then it's a bit early as they still might not kill you!

/s

DraculaCrest posted...

Im saying that the vast majority of definitions including all legal definitions require the use of physical force. I had never seen any definition that didnt until this topic.

Saying that its close is the same as admitting that physical violence is not happening.

Sure, but there is no blood yet.

Should be more worried about the army if you wage war against the government.

That isnt literal execution.

Nothing to get on.

No one has been executed by the government for being trans.

Im just saying that actual genocide isnt being enacted on trans people in America.

I bet you don't think the American Indians were genocided either since most were just killed by disease and only their culture was destroyed. "But they weren't killed like the Nazis killed Jews!"

Everyone on ResetEra should be playing Hogwarts Legacy. It's an awesome game that deserves all the praise it's getting.

CyricZ posted...

I told you can do so any time you want to.

I just don't believe you'll keep it up.

You're good at keeping to your values for what you believe you should be fighting for.

But I don't think you have the same commitment in this case.

Because your value motivation isn't in this one. This one's about being petty.

And honestly I wouldn't want you to do that to yourself. There's no win to be had there.

You can't help yourself from being judgmental. Obviously my heart isn't in it, because I've made it clear how immoral I think it is to try to judge and shame people over buying a video game when the vast majority of video game sales directly fund the agendas of horrific people.

If I wanted to punch across or down and be judgmental, I'd vote for a Republican. I would rather be better.

I bought BotW and Metroid Prime yesterday and I would never judge anyone for continuing to purchase Nintendo games. That isn't where the fight needs to go to destroy transphobes and evil nations.

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DraculaCrest posted...

Im just saying that actual genocide isnt being enacted on trans people in America.

If the last few years hadn't completely exhausted my patience, I'd be kind of impressed by how aggressively wrong you are. But it's just kind of tiring in 2023.

Love that the long-awaited response to why cyricz doesnt boycott nintendo too is a "you're only telling me to do that to be petty" side-step that doesnt address the company being increasingly owned by LITERAL SAUDI ARABIA whatsoever

Late tag

CyricZ posted...

Just in case this topic needs a reminder:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/0/AAACPvAAEMwo.jpg

Steps 4-6 happened?

Slayer_22 posted...

Steps 4-6 happened?

4 has been happening, just look at the way any right wing talking head talks about trans people or "gender ideology" or even the way people like JK Rowling talk about trans women. It's the source of the hysteria around trans women using women's bathrooms, with the implication being that they're rapists trying to invade women's spaces.

6 is mostly the same, except with actual politicians doing it. See: Greg Abbot, Marjory Taylor Greene, Ron Desantis, Trump, etc. Trump literally came out a few weeks ago promising to go after "left wing gender insanity" as part of his campaign and that dude was literally the fucking president

5 is gonna be the one that's most up for interpretation. The government doesn't really need to create specific groups to enforce the laws being passed that limit access to trans healthcare, they'll just use the existing police force to arrest people that don't comply. Either way, should doctors refuse to comply with the laws, those laws will be enforced by the state.

Gwynevere posted...

4 has been happening, just look at the way any right wing talking head talks about trans people or "gender ideology" or even the way people like JK Rowling talk about trans women. It's the source of the hysteria around trans women using women's bathrooms, with the implication being that they're rapists trying to invade women's spaces.

6 is mostly the same, except with actual politicians doing it. See: Greg Abbot, Marjory Taylor Greene, Ron Desantis, Trump, etc. Trump literally came out a few weeks ago promising to go after "left wing gender insanity" as part of his campaign and that dude was literally the fucking president

5 is gonna be the one that's most up for interpretation. The government doesn't really need to create specific groups to enforce the laws being passed that limit access to trans healthcare, they'll just use the existing police force to arrest people that don't comply. Either way, should doctors refuse to comply with the laws, those laws will be enforced by the state.

I don't think 4 and 6 are comparable to pre-holocaust anti-jewish propaganda and dehumanization personally. I think it's bad, and downright sickening, the way people speak of transgender individuals. But it's not comparable to that.

And number 5 definitely isn't happening. You can make an argument that number 5 is happening with...maybe immigration to Mexican people? But most definitely is not happening to transgender people.

CyricZ posted...

Also I'm pretty sure we covered this is in another topic.

No matter how much you might want people not to, you will never stop them from judging you. I know you hate being judged. You've admitted to that.

Don't let that be your motivation for your activism.

"You can't stop it" is a weird take when I've been accused of apathy and we both, in different ways, have been talking about stopping bigots, who are literally judging LGBTQ people and passing laws to that effect.

And at the end of the day, I don't care about what people think insofar as it informing who I am, what I think, and why/how I fight. But I still hate bullying, and if people can be aware that they are doing it, then they can also stop doing it.

Also, I still want to know if you'd boycott Nintendo if enough LGBTQ people asked you to. Humor the hypothetical.

hockeybub89 posted...

"You can't stop it" is a weird take when I've been accused of apathy and we both, in different ways, have been talking about stopping bigots, who are literally judging LGBTQ people and passing laws to that effect.

And at the end of the day, I don't care about what people think insofar as it informing who I am, what I think, and why/how I fight. But I still hate bullying, and if people can be aware that they are doing it, then they can also stop doing it.

Also, I still want to know if you'd boycott Nintendo if enough LGBTQ people asked you to. Humor the hypothetical.

Hockeybub89, imma be honest, Cyric refuses to answer most questions and will dance around them or throw loaded ones your way. I think you're in the right on this matter, but I don't think you'll get what you want from Cyric.

hockeybub89 posted...

I still want to know if you'd boycott Nintendo if enough LGBTQ people asked you to

He "answered" as much as he ever will on that topic.

He wouldn't. He isn't. None of this matters when it's a game he'd actually want to play. He's a hypocrite, period. It's such an absolute wet fart of an ending to these miserable topics. CE's own Glass Onion.

The horror!

Funkydog posted...

The dictionary isn't the absolute master of definitions. It simply provides a list of how people use a language, and is why it gets updated to add new words and change definitions. A particular dictionary not updating a word to keep in line with how many organisations use is just them being slow to adapt tbh.

People making up their own definitions doesn't mean those definitions are valid.

hockeybub89 posted...

You can't help yourself from being judgmental. Obviously my heart isn't in it, because I've made it clear how immoral I think it is to try to judge and shame people over buying a video game when the vast majority of video game sales directly fund the agendas of horrific people.

If I wanted to punch across or down and be judgmental, I'd vote for a Republican. I would rather be better.

I bought BotW and Metroid Prime yesterday and I would never judge anyone for continuing to purchase Nintendo games. That isn't where the fight needs to go to destroy transphobes and evil nations.

The first game?

Slayer_22 posted...

Steps 4-6 happened?

Ive seen that list posted a few times. I completely agree any countries citizens should watch out for the signs of walking slowly into fascism or worse. The US can definitely be seen to be heading that way but Im still not a fan of that list specifically.

A lot of the items on it are massively open to interpretation and it massively simplifies a complex issue. I find it posted more as a gotcha than any actual desire to engage in a meaningful conversation. On the flip side due to the amount of trolls on here I can see why things like that are popular but when someone does genuinely engage I feel like the list is more of a distraction than a means to further a discussion.

I completely respect and am on-board with Cyrics desire to fight transphobia but i feel his style of debate can put off some people who would hold the same overarching views of wanting a better, more inclusive society.

He can sometimes come across as seeing the world in black and white and takes the if you arent with me 100% you are against me position too much which is weird as that sort of rhetoric is something you find more on the right.

I guess what Im saying is hes a good guy with a good heart and good intentions. I just feel he undermines his own position by being too dogmatic sometimes. Or at the very least pushes away people who would otherwise be on his side.

But hey this is CE and there are a lot of bad faith trolls on here so I dont blame him if he just cant be arsed.

SHRlKE posted...

Ive seen that list posted a few times. I completely agree any countries citizens should watch out for the signs of walking slowly into fascism or worse. The US can definitely be seen to be heading that way but Im still not a fan of that list specifically.

A lot of the items on it are massively open to interpretation and it massively simplifies a complex issue. I find it posted more as a gotcha than any actual desire to engage in a meaningful conversation. On the flip side due to the amount of trolls on here I can see why things like that are popular but when someone does genuinely engage I feel like the list is more of a distraction than a means to further a discussion.

I completely respect and am on-board with Cyrics desire to fight transphobia but i feel his style of debate can put off some people who would hold the same overarching views of wanting a better, more inclusive society.

He can sometimes come across as seeing the world in black and white and takes the if you arent with me 100% you are against me position too much which is weird as that sort of rhetoric is something you find more on the right.

I guess what Im saying is hes a good guy with a good heart and good intentions. I just feel he undermines his own position by being too dogmatic sometimes. Or at the very least pushes away people who would otherwise be on his side.

But hey this is CE and there are a lot of bad faith trolls on here so I dont blame him if he just cant be arsed.

Cyric has good intentions, but considering the things he's said and been unapologetic for, and the things he's said to me, personally, I just honestly can't see him as a good guy or having a good heart.

But yeah, the list is way too simple. Because a lot of those steps reflect things that are actually happening, but on a lesser scale, to others. But it's not comparable to actual acts of genocide, like what the Jewish people faced, in the slightest.

That being said, to act like transgender individuals don't have to wake up with a fucked up society every day would just be lying. Things need to change, but I don't think that change is going to happen by...boycotting Hogwarts Legacy.

That would all be a nice sentiment if it didn't come from the person who made this topic and knew exactly what he was doing in making it.

This topic was interesting to read, but I question if some of you are real people lol.

SHRlKE posted...

He can sometimes come across as seeing the world in black and white and takes the if you arent with me 100% you are against me position too much which is weird as that sort of rhetoric is something you find more on the right.

But I've never said that.

Are there things I've said that have given that impression? I hate being a "point out any time I've said that" kinda guy, but that's really at the core of this part of the discussion.

Is it a tone thing? Is it that I'm not gentle enough when saying what I say?

CyricZ posted...

That would all be a nice sentiment if it didn't come from the person who made this topic and knew exactly what he was doing in making it.

I expected this topic would be about ResetEra, everyone latched onto the Hogwarts stuff. It was a fun laugh. That's about it for me. You guys turned it into something else.

But yes, do tell me what my intentions were when making this topic. I like hearing what I do secondhand from other people.

CyricZ posted...

But I've never said that.

Are there things I've said that have given that impression? I hate being a "point out any time I've said that" kinda guy, but that's really at the core of this part of the discussion.

Is it a tone thing? Is it that I'm not gentle enough when saying what I say?

It might be a tone thing thinking about it. Next time I spot it Ill let you know.

SHRlKE posted...

It might be a tone thing thinking about it. Next time I spot it Ill let you know.

How can it be a tone when it is written?

Heartomaton posted...

Hypocrisy? On my good christian internet?

What would the Doritos & mtn dew think?

Gritty posted...

What would the Doritos & mtn dew think?

They'd be shaking their head slowly in shame.

Monolith1676 posted...

How can it be a tone when it is written?

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/examples-of-tone

Slayer_22 posted...

I don't think 4 and 6 are comparable to pre-holocaust anti-jewish propaganda and dehumanization personally. I think it's bad, and downright sickening, the way people speak of transgender individuals. But it's not comparable to that.

The thing about a genocide is that people on the receiving end gain absolutely no ground by it being weighed against the holocaust. The holocaust is the most well known genocide, but it's not the standard by which a genocide is actually defined.

The rhetoric surrounding trans people from right wing politicians and media outlets has a pretty clear message: they don't like them, and don't want them to be able to participate or exist in society. It's propaganda solely designed to make viewers uncomfortable with trans people by painting them as weirdos, rapists, creeps, and mentally ill.

The end result of this is barring trans kids from getting the gender affirming care they need, and classifying this care as child abuse so you can rip apart their family. Which often just ends up in suicide for these kids, but hey, why pull the trigger on someone when you can get them to do it themselves, then spend 5 minutes talking about what a tragedy that is?

And that's to say nothing of the bills popping up that want to limit what type of gendered clothing you can wear to go after drag shows, don't say gay bills, etc. There's a whole frame work already being built for pushing trans people back into the closet and away from society.

Anyway, this was just a long winded way of saying that something doesn't have to be as bad as the holocaust to be a genocide. There are other ways of getting rid of a population of people that don't involve death camps.

Gwynevere posted...

they don't like them, and don't want them to be able to participate or exist in society

"B-b-but they aren't shooting them in the street like dogs so it isn't genocide!"

You're right. When politicians want to use the government to eliminate a group of people from sight, whether or not it is done through state-sanctioned death camps is irrelevant to the victimized group. But so-called centrists that totally don't want anyone to be hurt would rather wag their finger at what that group calls that elimination and go "if you use the wrong word to describe your demise, the public might not believe you and actually turn on your cause!"

Slayer_22 posted...

I expected this topic would be about ResetEra, everyone latched onto the Hogwarts stuff

Yknow I don't believe you.

Monolith1676 posted...

How can it be a tone when it is written?

Tone can pretty easily come through in writing depending on the words.

For example my previous post would come off differently if I said:

• I find it hard to believe you.
• I don't fucking believe you.
• Haha I don't believe you.

All basically the same thing, but each tonally different.

Slayer_22 posted...

Cyric refuses to answer most questions and will dance around them or throw loaded ones your way

Yep

Cyric why are you doing this

Doom_Art posted...

Cyric why are you doing this

Arguing? I've been arguing on this board for the last decade. And pointedly about topics less important than this.

I told you not to worry about me. If I start getting modded you can start worrying.

not gonna lie, it's resetera so the bar is low, but how fucking stupid do you have to be not to realize people obviously see what you're playing

how do you not make a burner steam account or find some other way to de-link it from your known account

TaylorHeinicke posted...

not gonna lie, it's resetera so the bar is low, but how fucking stupid do you have to be not to realize people obviously see what you're playing

how do you not make a burner steam account or find some other way to de-link it from your known account

Or put your account to private.

hockeybub89 posted...

"B-b-but they aren't shooting them in the street like dogs so it isn't genocide!"

You're right. When politicians want to use the government to eliminate a group of people from sight, whether or not it is done through state-sanctioned death camps is irrelevant to the victimized group. But so-called centrists that totally don't want anyone to be hurt would rather wag their finger at what that group calls that elimination and go "if you use the wrong word to describe your demise, the public might not believe you and actually turn on your cause!"

I get it, genocide is a scary word to a lot of people. It's got a lot of weight behind it, and their only association with it is images of dead bodies piled up in ditches, death camps, millions killed, etc.

But restricting access to healthcare core to a person's well being, criminalizing their culture, separating them from their families; what else would you call it, especially when it's all state sanctioned? It takes a massive amount of cognitive dissonance to call it anything but a genocide.

Eugenics?

CyricZ posted...

Yknow I don't believe you.

Cool. You're incorrect, but at least you're admitting to just putting words into my mouth so you can feel right about the situation. Don't like ResetEra, never have, and I think this post was funny.

SHRlKE posted...

Eugenics?

I'd say given the intent behind it, it would be most accurate to say that eugenics are the vehicle through which genocide is delivered in this case.

DraculaCrest posted...

No one is going to start randomly killing trans people. Thats crazy shit that very few people would support.

Now if you get violent first, you are giving the government all the justification it needs to take your life. I dont want that, and you dont want that. So lets focus on educating people instead of waging civil war against an unbeatable enemy.

Uh, there have been many physical attacks on not just trans individuals, but the LGTB community as a whole.

Slayer_22 posted...

I don't think 4 and 6 are comparable to pre-holocaust anti-jewish propaganda and dehumanization personally. I think it's bad, and downright sickening, the way people speak of transgender individuals. But it's not comparable to that.

And number 5 definitely isn't happening. You can make an argument that number 5 is happening with...maybe immigration to Mexican people? But most definitely is not happening to transgender people.

Thats because the police force in America has essentially become a catch all for that shit, they don't specifically need to make new task forces for it because it all just gets handled by the police.