Current Events > Admin of ResetEra caught playing Hogwarts Legacy

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bsp77 posted...

How is your life?

Good. Work is going great and Ishin is out in a couple of days.

CyricZ posted...

No, you ask for perfection. Nirvana fallacy.

You know perfection doesn't exist so you use it to shut people up.

Using rules you've made up I might add.

That's your goal. People should stop talking and stop reminding you about JK Rowling and her franchise.

No one is asking you to be perfect, but you don't need to play Nintendo games specifically, not when we see how much Saudi Arabia hurts LGBTQ people. Obviously you can still play other video games and we are forced to participate in society. People are just asking you to boycott this company. If we can't even do the bare minimum, will we be there when it matters?

DraculaCrest posted...

Violence would be an even bigger mistake. Thats all Im saying.

I disagree. We live in a transphobic society that elects transphobic politicians who wants to pass transphobic laws. We don't have the luxury of working within the confines of the system and hoping we can vote in someone who can make it safe for trans individuals and actually accomplish this
We need to demand trans rights and the only way we can do that is by being radical. Bullying people over buying a HP game is not going to do a damn thing about stopping the potential genocide transpeople are facing

hockeybub89 posted...

You're right. Let us not be like him. We will boycott Nintendo together because we aren't just allies when it is convenient. If people can't even give up their childish cartoon plumber games for LGBTQ people, then it's not my place to take away ally cards, but they are showing they aren't very committed.

Apparently, Nintendo is more important to him than trans rights. I dont understand why he cant do the bare minimum. Its not like people are expecting him to give up housing, clothes, food, or water. How hard is it to give up some video games?

hockeybub89 posted...

No one is asking you to be perfect, but you don't need to play Nintendo games specifically, not when we see how much Saudi Arabia hurts LGBTQ people. Obviously you can still play other video games and we are forced to participate in society. People are just asking you to boycott this company. If we can't even do the bare minimum, will we be there when it matters?

lol

Well said

hockeybub89 posted...

No one is asking you to be perfect, but you don't need to play Nintendo games specifically, not when we see how much Saudi Arabia hurts LGBTQ people. Obviously you can still play other video games and we are forced to participate in society. People are just asking you to boycott this company. If we can't even do the bare minimum, will we be there when it matters?

Actually no one but people in this topic are asking me to boycott Nintendo, and then only because of the discussion about JK Rowling and her franchise that she is the sole IP owner and creator of.

You're not doing out of activism or mercy. You're doing it because someone else did it first and on something that you'd rather they not.

It's revenge, really. Petty revenge, no less.

It's childish and you know it, yet you do it anyway.

DraculaCrest posted...

How else could you stop Harry Potter fans from buying the game? The guy literally said that only violent protests work. I dont think it will help in this(or most) situations

He's not saying to stop people from playing a video game. He's saying you need to aim straight for the top, not dally around sending messages to individual transphobes and hoping they take in time. Rowling has no way if she has no allies in positions of political power.

Hinakuluiau posted...

I disagree.

You think violently assaulting Harry Potter fans would work?

I really dont think smacking up a mom and her 3 kids visiting the Wizarding World at Universal Studios is going to help

We live in a transphobic society that elects transphobic politicians who wants to pass transphobic laws. We don't have the luxury of working within the confines of the system and hoping we can vote in someone who can make it safe for trans individuals and actually accomplish this
We need to demand trans rights and the only way we can do that is by being radical. Bullying people over buying a HP game is not going to do a damn thing about stopping the potential genocide transpeople are facing

What happens when the other side gets radical back?

DraculaCrest posted...

What happens when the other side gets radical back?

The right wing are already radical in regards to trans people tbf.

hockeybub89 posted...

He's not saying to stop people from playing a video game. He's saying you need to aim straight for the top, not dally around sending messages to individual transphobes and hoping they take in time. Rowling has no way if she has no allies in positions of political power.

Then either I misread something or there was another miscommunication. I took it as him saying that violently assaulting Harry Potter fans would hurt the games sales.

Still, I find violence to be a foolish answer even when aiming for the top. What happens when the other side fights back?

DraculaCrest posted...

What happens when the other side gets radical back?

They already are radical. We have people in positions of power and elected representatives who are calling for a genocide on trans people.
Your disingenuous bullshit of saying I want to attack fans of HP is ridiculous.

Funkydog posted...

The right wing are already radical in regards to trans people tbf.

Which trans people are being heartlessly shot down by the government in the street?

Thats what youre asking for when advocating for violence. Education is the answer. Not civil war.

DraculaCrest posted...

What happens when the other side gets radical back?

"Don't upset the people trying to genocide you too much or they might genocide you harder"

DraculaCrest posted...

Which trans people are being heartlessly shot down by the government in the street?

Thats what youre asking for when advocating for violence. Education is the answer. Not civil war.

I wasn't aware I was advocating violence. Thanks for letting me know I am though!

And attempting to stop trans people getting the medical care they need is a violent act. Stripping them of basic rights is a violent acts. Segregating them is a violent act. Othering them is a violent act. Stripping them of the ability to get aid is a violent act.

Not all violence has to be murder. There are plenty of other ways to commit violence than physical.

Hinakuluiau posted...

They already are radical. We have people in positions of power and elected representatives who are calling for a genocide on trans people.

No one is going to start randomly killing trans people. Thats crazy shit that very few people would support.

Now if you get violent first, you are giving the government all the justification it needs to take your life. I dont want that, and you dont want that. So lets focus on educating people instead of waging civil war against an unbeatable enemy.

Your disingenuous bullshit of saying I want to attack fans of HP is ridiculous.

Sorry, my bad then. I must have misread your post.

The hypocrite argument only becomes valid on someone like gunplagirl who not only actively was shaming and guilting others to join the boycott with her, but displaying a houlier than thou attitude with it. Otherwise, it's a hypothetical that doesnt' apply to them.

hockeybub89 posted...

"Don't upset the people trying to genocide you too much or they might genocide you harder"

Literal genocide isnt going to happen.

Funkydog posted...

I wasn't aware I was advocating violence. Thanks for letting me know I am though!

And attempting to stop trans people getting the medical care they need is a violent act. Stripping them of basic rights is a violent acts. Segregating them is a violent act. Othering them is a violent act. Stripping them of the ability to get aid is a violent act.

Not all violence has to be murder. There are plenty of other ways to commit violence than physical.

What definition of violence are you using? Every definition Ive ever seen mentions physical force.

DraculaCrest posted...

Literal genocide isnt going to happen

Literal genocide already is happening in several states

DraculaCrest posted...

Literal genocide isnt going to happen.

I really don't think this is a healthy attitude.

Never just assume genocide won't happen.

Realize what goes into a genocide so you can recognize signs of it before it goes off the deep end.

And no, it doesn't start with mass killing. That's step 9 out of 10.

We're hovering between steps 7 and 8.

hockeybub89 posted...

Literal genocide already is happening in several states

Which states are trans people being mass executed in?

DraculaCrest posted...

Literal genocide isnt going to happen.

What definition of violence are you using? Every definition Ive ever seen mentions physical force.

"Other definitions are also used, such as the World Health Organization's definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

Just in case this topic needs a reminder:

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CyricZ posted...

I really don't think this is a healthy attitude.

Never just assume genocide won't happen.

Realize what goes into a genocide so you can recognize signs of it before it goes off the deep end.

I cant see it happening. Almost no one is going to support the government rounding up citizens and mass executing them. That shit would spark an actual civil war. The government doesnt want that, and neither do the vast majority of people.

I do find it interesting that support (or protest) of this video game, in particular, is such a big litmus test of if you're an ally of marginalized groups only when it's convenient

DraculaCrest posted...

Almost no one is going to support the government rounding up citizens and mass executing them.

I prefer not to wait to oppose them until they start.

Also realize when you say "the government" that may necessarily not mean the federal government of the US.

DraculaCrest posted...

I cant see it happening. Almost no one is going to support the government rounding up citizens and mass executing them. That shit would spark an actual civil war. The government doesnt want that, and neither do the vast majority of people.

I'm sure people said that before every time it has happened. And it has happened alot.

CyricZ posted...

You have every right to say this every time.

But I know you won't.

Will you?

Funkydog posted...

"Other definitions are also used, such as the World Health Organization's definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

My bad, Ive been using the dictionary definition. Wasnt aware that certain organizations use their own definitions.

hockeybub89 posted...

Will you?

Will I what?

DraculaCrest posted...

My bad, Ive been using the dictionary definition. Wasnt aware that certain organizations use their own definitions.

The dictionary isn't the absolute master of definitions. It simply provides a list of how people use a language, and is why it gets updated to add new words and change definitions. A particular dictionary not updating a word to keep in line with how many organisations use is just them being slow to adapt tbh.

This topic is CE looking at the madness that is ResetEra and saying "hold my beer"

CyricZ posted...

I prefer not to wait to oppose them until they start.

If you draw first blood, any and all government violence enacted against you will be legal and justifiable. Id rather make them the villain.

Also realize when you say "the government" that may necessarily not mean the federal government of the US.

So youre talking about state governments?Genocide is a high federal crime, and the federal government would be legally justified to wage war against any rogue state enacting it.

DraculaCrest posted...

If you draw first blood, any and all government violence enacted against you will be legal and justifiable. Id rather make them the villain.

Again. Western governments have already drawn first blood.

Funkydog posted...

The dictionary isn't the absolute master of definitions. It simply provides a list of how people use a language, and is why it gets updated to add new words and change definitions. A particular dictionary not updating a word to keep in line with how many organisations use is just them being slow to adapt tbh.

To be fair, the legal definition of violence also requires physical force.

The term crime of violence means (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or.

Funkydog posted...

Again. Western governments have already drawn first blood.

Not physically

DraculaCrest posted...

To be fair, the legal definition of violence also requires physical force.

The term crime of violence means (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or.

I wasn't aware CE was a court of law.

DraculaCrest posted...

Not physically

Physically accosting, forcibly removing and denying them medical treatment seems pretty close to physical violence to me.

Couple that with many right wing people calling for people to "take action" seems they are leaping to the next stage to me.

DraculaCrest posted...

If you draw first blood, any and all government violence enacted against you will be legal and justifiable. Id rather make them the villain.

You act like governments haven't been drawing legal and "justified" blood throughout history.

DraculaCrest posted...

Not physically

To skip to the end, I'm talking about the police.

DraculaCrest posted...

Which states are trans people being mass executed in?

Every state making gender-affirming care illegal and criminalizing "harboring" a trans kid.

DraculaCrest posted...

the federal government would be legally justified to wage war against any rogue state enacting it.

Yeah when are they going to get on that.

Oh wait, they're not.

CyricZ posted...

Will I what?

Will you boycott Nintendo if some trans people/allies ask you to and start saying you are not an ally if you don't? If the gunplagirls of the world start harassing you?

Can you guys please stop beating this dead horse? It's been reduced to atoms at this point.

Well now we're back to the hypothetical things that aren't happening as a purity test.

All because you don't want to be judged.

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Ozarhok posted...

This topic is CE looking at the madness that is ResetEra and saying "hold my beer"

honestly this isnt madness its just one guy being pathetic

DraculaCrest posted...

Not physically

How many LGBTQ people must be harmed by the government before it's considered drawing blood?

I guess all of them as long as the government doesn't literally ship them by train to gas chambers. You'll just continue to assure people that it is not yet time to panic. "Yeah LGBTQ people are suffering and dying due to hateful laws, but the government is not shooting them in the street! If we get too uppity, then the government might start the actual genocide!"

CyricZ posted...

Well now we're back to the hypothetical things that aren't happening as a purity test.

All because you don't want to be judged.

I can start it if you'd like. Gunplagirl isn't here, so I can take over as the toxic, loudmouthed LGBTQ person who judges everyone who disagrees with me. If you buy Nintendo games, you are not an ally. It greatly upsets me to see Saudi Arabia allowed to throw their money around despite everyone being well aware of how evil and hateful they are.

If I wanted people to be deliberately dense about the purpose of a hypothetical argument, I'd argue with a Trump supporter. Don't be like them.

I shouldn't have to lecture people on how to not be judgemental.

hockeybub89 posted...

How many LGBTQ people must be harmed by the government before it's considered drawing blood?

It'll be too late before certain people acknowledge that there was, indeed, a genocide occurring. Notice the choice of words of "when is ____ going to start"

Like, the violence has already started. It's been happening for decades. People being killed at protests by cops, families being torn apart, new attempts at making everything about being outwardly trans illegal.

Acting like this ball isnt already rolling is ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst

hockeybub89 posted...

I can start it if you'd like.

I told you can do so any time you want to.

I just don't believe you'll keep it up.

You're good at keeping to your values for what you believe you should be fighting for.

But I don't think you have the same commitment in this case.

Because your value motivation isn't in this one. This one's about being petty.

And honestly I wouldn't want you to do that to yourself. There's no win to be had there.

hockeybub89 posted...

I shouldn't have to lecture people on how to not be judgemental.

Also I'm pretty sure we covered this is in another topic.

No matter how much you might want people not to, you will never stop them from judging you. I know you hate being judged. You've admitted to that.

Don't let that be your motivation for your activism.