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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:01:55 AM
#51:


CyricZ posted...
Very few but that's a really narrow window to specify.

Unless we're implying that gamers have the memory of a goldifsh and can't remember further back than a couple years.
but dude thats what he was talking about, 2020s, maybe you misread and thought 2000s?
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Mystery_Mission
02/17/23 10:02:27 AM
#52:


There is nothing wrong with buying and enjoying Hogwarts Legacy.
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Tmaster148
02/17/23 10:03:50 AM
#53:


SenlinDescends posted...
She uses the success of her properties to justify her views and she funnels her money towards causes that strip trans people of their rights and even get them killed.

Seriously. And yet we risk being banned for talking about it and people want to say this sight doesn't have a problem with right wing extremism in moderations.

You guys aren't getting modded for talking about trans issues.

You guys are getting modded for being jackasses who are attacking other people over a video game.

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Kimbos_Egg
02/17/23 10:06:11 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Fallout 76


lol "flopped" okay.

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TaylorHeinicke
02/17/23 10:08:20 AM
#55:


the latest goalpost move ive seen is "the protest worked because now everyone knows rowling is a transphobe"

as if anyone paying even modest attention didnt know that already

archedsoul posted...
Yeah, the thing with boycotts, especially really loud ones, is that they become sort of indistinguishable from advertising.
also this. been saying it from the start. all of it was free advertising for the game.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:09:22 AM
#56:


ROOTFayth posted...
yes but people buying hogwarts legacy or not has literally no impact on that?
Actually it has a massive impact on it.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:10:54 AM
#57:


Tmaster148 posted...
You guys aren't getting modded for talking about trans issues.

You guys are getting modded for being jackasses who are attacking other people over a video game.
Except no, I was modded for stating facts. Never attacked anyone and was never a jackass.

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DuneMan
02/17/23 10:11:48 AM
#58:


GreenCookie posted...
the fact they even have to consider supporting this game is a joke. People need to wake up. It's entertainment for some of you, but a lot of us, this is our literal lives on the line.
Which has absolutely fuck all to do with Hogwarts Legacy. You can't even make the claim that it'll financially impact JK Rowling as she already has enough money to be set for life.

Take all the attention that is going towards harassing people interested in Hogwarts Legacy, absolutely ALL OF IT, and apply it where it actually counts. You can choose to contribute to an organization with the resources to advocate for political change or rescue people from specific instances of harm. You can choose to raise awareness about the actual heinous shit that conservative politicians do, whether it is grandstanding stuff like menstrual checks for school girls in athletics programs or stripping away rights in a targeted manner.

But sitting back on social media or message boards and calling people bigots or antisemitic for playing a video game. That isn't it... At this point anyone doing that just looks like an asshole. If they claim to be supporting the trans community then they're at best ignorant because their behavior actually hurts that cause. JK Rowling doesn't have some magical powers to influence wider society. She's not even relevant anymore. You'd be better served targeting DeSantis, the jerk that intends to run for the Presidency of the United States in 2024.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:12:41 AM
#59:


DuneMan posted...
Which has absolutely f*** all to do with Hogwarts Legacy. You can't even make the claim that it'll financially impact JK Rowling as she already has enough money to be set for life.
Rowling uses the success of her franchise to support her views.

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DuneMan
02/17/23 10:15:05 AM
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SenlinDescends posted...
Rowling uses the success of her franchise to support her views.
Success she already achieved. She has 'fuck you' money at this point. All you're really doing is attempting to hurt the hundred-plus game developers who put six years of their life into this game. That and lambast an entire generation of people who were interested in this sort of game after growing up with the HP stories. Like, seriously, see the forest through the damn trees already.

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R1masher
02/17/23 10:15:07 AM
#61:


SenlinDescends posted...
Rowling uses the success of her franchise to support her views.
Are you saying that she believes that anyone who buys the game shares her views?

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Kimbos_Egg
02/17/23 10:16:06 AM
#62:


DuneMan posted...
Success she already achieved. She has 'fuck you' money at this point. All you're really doing is attempting to hurt the hundred-plus game developers who put six years of their life into this game. That and lambast an entire generation of people who were interested in this sort of game after growing up with the HP stories. Like, seriously, see the forest through the damn trees already.

you really should stop trying to reason with stupid people.

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A_Good_Boy
02/17/23 10:17:27 AM
#63:


Yet another successful video game boycott, just like all the others.

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:18:11 AM
#64:


SenlinDescends posted...
Actually it has a massive impact on it.
go ahead and explain me how it has a massive impact on it, keep in mind her success and networth is not really impacted by it
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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:18:22 AM
#65:


DuneMan posted...
Success she already achieved. She has 'fuck you' money at this point. All you're really doing is attempting to hurt the hundred-plus game developers who put six years of their life into this game. That and lambast an entire generation of people who were interested in this sort of game after growing up with the HP stories. Like, seriously, see the forest through the damn trees already.
Too bad for them, they backed the wrong horse and then did absolutely nothing to speak against her views or respond to the damage they cause as I've seen.

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dave_is_slick
02/17/23 10:18:30 AM
#66:


SenlinDescends posted...
Actually it has a massive impact on it.
No

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:19:27 AM
#67:


ROOTFayth posted...
go ahead and explain me how it has a massive impact on it, keep in mind her success and networth is not really impacted by it

SenlinDescends posted...
Rowling uses the success of her franchise to support her views.

Kimbos_Egg posted...
you really should stop trying to reason with stupid people.
Yeah I'm definitely smarter than you.

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DuneMan
02/17/23 10:19:42 AM
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Those same people though will likely develop a persecution complex though, claiming bigotry as people turn away from them for their behavior. Seriously, if someone actually wants to make a difference, actually get something of worth done, it will be done elsewhere and involve organizations that influence society and politics through means other than online harassment.

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:23:11 AM
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you still didnt explain how a successful boycott would have had any impact on her views and actions SenlinDescends, she still would have had the same reach and enough money to fund whatever the hell she wants that supports her views
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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:23:52 AM
#70:


ROOTFayth posted...
you still didnt explain how a successful boycott would have had any impact on her views and actions SenlinDescends, she still would have had the same reach and enough money to fund whatever the hell she wants that supports her views
Actually I did.

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TaylorHeinicke
02/17/23 10:26:26 AM
#71:


SenlinDescends posted...
Never attacked anyone and was never a jackass.

SenlinDescends posted...
Yeah I'm definitely smarter than you.


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Jabodie
02/17/23 10:27:42 AM
#72:


Punished_Blinx posted...
Why didn't people make all of these topics when Pokemon Sword and Shield sold a shitload. That one even had a hashtag.
They did

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:29:47 AM
#73:


Oh no Taylor how dare I defend myself against someone that had just directly attacked me rofl

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:31:46 AM
#74:


SenlinDescends posted...
Actually I did.
you said "Rowling uses the success of her franchise to support her views."

given a successful boycott would have no impact on the success of her franchise, the success is already there, it's done, HP is successful there's no way around that

what are you achieving?
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bsp77
02/17/23 10:32:55 AM
#75:


SenlinDescends posted...
Too bad for them, they backed the wrong horse and then did absolutely nothing to speak against her views or respond to the damage they cause as I've seen.
Many involved have actually spoken out against her, and they also included a prominent trans woman in the game. Since I was interested in the game (used to be a big HP fan) and I like open world action RPGS, I decided that supporting the developers was more important to me than going after Rowling, who was not involved in the game and seems to have been given her IP fee many years ago. I don't believe she sees any portion of the sales. I am admittedly not certain though.

SenlinDescends posted...
Except no, I was modded for stating facts. Never attacked anyone and was never a jackass.
I didn't see what got you modded. But a lot of people use the word "facts" to hide behind their behavior. I see people get modded for misogyny all the time and claim it is all simply "facts". Now once again I didn't see what got you modded, but people often miss the biases in their "facts".

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TaylorHeinicke
02/17/23 10:34:25 AM
#76:


SenlinDescends posted...
Oh no Taylor how dare I defend myself against someone that had just directly attacked me rofl
Bruh I'm not saying you can't defend yourself, but you can't help but laugh at these two posts of yours that were literally ten minutes apart from one another

SenlinDescends posted...
Never attacked anyone and was never a jackass.

SenlinDescends posted...
Yeah I'm definitely smarter than you.


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Samurai_Man
02/17/23 10:34:59 AM
#77:


SenlinDescends posted...
Elden Ring was more hyped and is an all around better game it just doesn't have baby's first right wing fantasy as flavoring to boost its sales
Cry more lol, the echo-chamber isn't echoing loud enough apparently.

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TaylorHeinicke
02/17/23 10:36:24 AM
#78:


bsp77 posted...
I don't believe she sees any portion of the sales.
Even if she did, I've still yet to see a sort of response to the whole "she already has generational 'fuck you' money a hundred times over, so the needle movement from these sales bonuses has to be nonexistent by comparison to what she already has" point.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:39:11 AM
#79:


bsp77 posted...
Many involved have actually spoken out against her, and they also included a prominent trans woman in the game. Since I was interested in the game (used to be a big HP fan) and I like open world action RPGS, I decided that supporting the developers was more important to me than going after Rowling, who was not involved in the game and seems to have been given her IP fee many years ago. I don't believe she sees any portion of the sales. I am admittedly not certain though.

I didn't see what got you modded. But a lot of people use the word "facts" to hide behind their behavior. I see people get modded for misogyny all the time and claim it is all simply "facts". Now once again I didn't see what got you modded, but people often miss the biases in their "facts".
I was talking about what I am now - she uses the success of her franchise to justify her views, and will doubtlessly do it with this game. It doesn't matter if the money goes directly towards her, she still uses the success to argue that her views aren't wrong or unpopular.

Someone like you who is buying thr game directly I don't mind because you've clearly taken the issue into mind and have made a decision. I don't agree, but I can respect it, especially if you're right about them speaking out against her.

I'm not gonna keep talking about it here because the mods have a right wing slant and will shut you down for it, just not worth the risk.

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:39:37 AM
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yeah I mean it's absolutely fine if you boycott it to make yourself feel part of a movement and it aligns with your views and stuff but it feels like there's a lot of delusion there when it comes to the financial impact this could potentially have had on JK Rowling, it's literally a drop in the bucket, it's irrelevent
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A_Good_Boy
02/17/23 10:42:37 AM
#81:


SenlinDescends posted...
I'm not gonna keep talking about it here because the mods have a right wing slant and will shut you down for it, just not worth the risk.
Just refrain from insulting people and getting unnecessarily incendiary and you can talk about whatever you want.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:43:37 AM
#82:


ROOTFayth posted...
yeah I mean it's absolutely fine if you boycott it to make yourself feel part of a movement and it aligns with your views and stuff but it feels like there's a lot of delusion there when it comes to the financial impact this could potentially have had on JK Rowling, it's literally a drop in the bucket, it's irrelevent
Even if the money doesn't go to her she uses it as justification and support for her views. She directly quotes the continued success of HP to justify her stances.

If you wanna be like BSP and support the developer, I can respect that, I sympathize with their position. But you can't argue that buying the game doesn't help support her views. The most you can do is argue it only supports it a little.

Buy the game used or pirate it. Not a big ask to support human rights.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:43:58 AM
#83:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Just refrain from insulting people and getting unnecessarily incendiary and you can talk about whatever you want.
Weird I didn't do either of those last time and got warned.

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bsp77
02/17/23 10:45:14 AM
#84:


SenlinDescends posted...
I was talking about what I am now - she uses the success of her franchise to justify her views, and will doubtlessly do it with this game. It doesn't matter if the money goes directly towards her, she still uses the success to argue that her views aren't wrong or unpopular.

Someone like you who is buying thr game directly I don't mind because you've clearly taken the issue into mind and have made a decision. I don't agree, but I can respect it, especially if you're right about them speaking out against her.

I'm not gonna keep talking about it here because the mods have a right wing slant and will shut you down for it, just not worth the risk.
We're good. I have no issue with you. This is a complicated situation IMO.

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TaylorHeinicke
02/17/23 10:45:59 AM
#85:


SenlinDescends posted...
Weird I didn't do either of those last time and got warned.
PM me the moderation

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:46:29 AM
#86:


SenlinDescends posted...
Even if the money doesn't go to her she uses it as justification and support for her views. She directly quotes the continued success of HP to justify her stances.

If you wanna be like BSP and support the developer, I can respect that, I sympathize with their position. But you can't argue that buying the game doesn't help support her views. The most you can do is argue it only supports it a little.

Buy the game used or pirate it. Not a big ask to support human rights.
what does she use as justification to support her views? the money? or just the success of the game?

I mean the franchise would be successful regardless of the success of hogwarts legacy would it not?
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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:48:02 AM
#87:


bsp77 posted...
We're good. I have no issue with you. This is a complicated situation IMO.
Indeed, and I was even sympathizing with the devs until I heard about some questionable elements in the games, though given I've heard next to nothing about them since release other than that goblin horn(which doesn't sound like it was malicious at all) I'm gonna guess the actual content in the game is fine.

I should go see if I can find it used yet...

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:48:56 AM
#88:


ROOTFayth posted...
what does she use as justification to support her views? the money? or just the success of the game?

I mean the franchise would be successful regardless of the success of hogwarts legacy would it not?
The continued sales of the franchise and the success of new releases.

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:51:33 AM
#89:


SenlinDescends posted...
The continued sales of the franchise and the success of new releases.
do you have a source for that, because all of the tweets that I've seen where she was accused of being transphobic didn't mention harry potter
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AloneIBreak
02/17/23 10:52:14 AM
#90:


We already knew this boycott had no teeth though, right? Even if zero copies sold, it wouldnt hinder Rowling in any way. This is a frivolous waste of time when more effective measures could be taken, but theyre not because it would require effort, whereas taking no action at all (I.e. changing nothing) would suffice to not buy a video game. This boycott is an exercise in vanity, not moral duty.

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:53:27 AM
#91:


ROOTFayth posted...
do you have a source for that, because all of the tweets that I've seen where she was accused of being transphobic didn't mention harry potter
I dont have Twitter and really don't feel Luke hunting down the tweets so no

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:54:32 AM
#92:


the best course of action would have been to not talk about it at all on social medias so it has as little visibility as possible and likely try and tank the user ratings in a way that makes sense
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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 10:56:34 AM
#93:


SenlinDescends posted...
I dont have Twitter and really don't feel Luke hunting down the tweets so no
okay well I feel like it's something you made up to give some weight to your claims, there's no evidence that points that she is using the sales of stuff related to her franchise as an argument to push her views

she literally just tweets her views and has a big following because she is JK Rowling
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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 10:59:52 AM
#94:


ROOTFayth posted...
okay well I feel like it's something you made up to give some weight to your claims, there's no evidence that points that she is using the sales of stuff related to her franchise as an argument to push her views

she literally just tweets her views and has a big following because she is JK Rowling
I'm not exactly concerned with what you feel or think

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ROOTFayth
02/17/23 11:02:41 AM
#95:


SenlinDescends posted...
I'm not exactly concerned with what you feel or think
yeah I mean people like you rarely ever argue in good faith anyway, have a good day
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Gobstoppers12
02/17/23 11:02:46 AM
#96:


SenlinDescends posted...
Buy the game used or pirate it. Not a big ask to support human rights.
If that's your view, then you disagree with a very significant portion of the boycotters. According to a lot of the noise on Twitter, and even some of the users here, it's not enough to make sure that Rowling doesn't see any money. You have to completely disavow the franchise in all ways.

According to those people, it's terrible to play the game at all. It's terrible to say anything positive about the game, or about Harry Potter in general. Talking about the game, playing the game (even if it's pirated), or even telling other people that it's okay to buy it used or pirate it? That means you're contributing to Harry Potter's continued relevance.

A lot of the loudest protesters on Twitter would say to you, SenlinDescends, that you aren't a true ally because you're still willing to compromise on the issue. In their view, there can be no compromise at all.

In their view, Hogwarts Legacy is a dirty word. You should be calling it "that wizard game" or "W*z*rd game"

That's why so many people have rooted against the boycott. It's satisfying to see an unreasonable ultimatum fail. The boycotters have a habit of being vitriolic and aggressive toward people who even like Harry Potter at all. They've harassed fellow members of the LGBTQIA+ community, they've harassed Ukrainian war refugees, and they've harassed a lot of their own allies. They even tried to make a databank that would keep track of whether or not somebody had ever streamed the game, even once.

It's really, really silly how far the larger body of protesters took it.

Maybe you're more willing to be reasonable, but you're not in accordance with the most vocal and most visible protesters.

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Revelation34
02/17/23 11:09:59 AM
#97:


GreenCookie posted...


the fact they even have to consider supporting this game is a joke. People need to wake up. It's entertainment for some of you, but a lot of us, this is our literal lives on the line.


Video games don't kill people.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...
imagine the success that an open world RPG for Game of Thrones could have. not to mention the potential for a great game!

get to it WB Games!!


That would be amazing.

SenlinDescends posted...


Yeah I'm definitely smarter than you.


DunningKruger effect.

SenlinDescends posted...

I dont have Twitter and really don't feel Luke hunting down the tweets so no


So in other words "trust me, bro".

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Samurai_Man
02/17/23 11:16:17 AM
#98:


Revelation34 posted...
Video games don't kill people.

That would be amazing.

DunningKruger effect.

So in other words "trust me, bro".
@Revelation34 The comedy literally writes itself on this board, I can't get enough of it!

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SenlinDescends
02/17/23 11:18:19 AM
#99:


Revelation34 posted...
DunningKruger effect.
Nope, sorry kid.

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Prestoff
02/17/23 11:19:01 AM
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I mean let's be reasonable here, the boycotters, themselves, are not a monolith. This was more of a "grass roots" movement without any leader or anything. Everyone had their own goals in mind what they wanted to see the protest accomplish. If their accomplishment was making people more aware of JK Rowling's transphobia, I'll say that's a win on their part. I can only speak anecdotally, but I had a lot of coworkers who didn't even know that until they heard of the controversy on twitter or tik tok. It's a double edge sword because I also had some coworkers, sadly, that said "what did she say that was exactly wrong?" or "I agree with her". Some of them were simply protesting out of self-principals and morals and didn't expect to see any results, just couldn't seperate the art from the artist. Then there are those who took things more drastically, like gunplagirl, about this whole controversy like doing a bait and switch and spoiling the ending of the game, literal witch hunts, harassments, calling someone "not a true ally", etc. It's the last groups of boycotters that I think most people take issues with because when you act like an asshole and get your just desserts, of course people would try to rub it in. I'm not doubting that the good intentions were there, just don't need to be an asshole regarding it.

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