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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:41:16 PM
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https://twitter.com/charliebilello/status/1625496484497219587/photo/1

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Had posted this 2 hours ago.

Dan please explain
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:41:17 PM
#52:


lifespeedrunner posted...
Thats true too but a stimulus check here and there can hold us off until we figure out the real solution

Theres no real solution. The economy crashing and people losing their jobs is the only end result that will sustainably lower inflation. Might not happen this year because the economy is incredibly strong, unemployment is extremely low, wage inflation is high. So all of that extra cash everyone got during covid, whether its stimulus checks, investments, etc its all sitting around in their bank accounts. Companies have to raise wages to compete for workers, which in turn results in increase in prices. Increases in wages also results in increase in spending which also keeps prices high.

All of these are fundamental reasons why inflation is not going away. It may go down this year but it will shoot right back up because all the driving forces are still there. Something has to break. I would guess over the next few years we're going to get a bad recession. Bob Prince has a fantastic and simple video discussing this.
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warlock7735
02/14/23 1:45:55 PM
#53:


This is why the economy is actually a house of cards.

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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:46:51 PM
#54:


WingsOfGood posted...
Had postes this 2 hours ago.

Dan please explain

Wages will always lag behind inflation because wages are sticky. Once wages increase they don't really go back down. Most prices are not sticky. So as inflation rages on, wages will be behind. Its always been like that.

And why is inflation high? As explained by my previous post. Stimulus will simply worse that.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/14/23 1:48:37 PM
#55:


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He's not wrong though. Thats the whole reason the fed keeps raising rates. Problem is that low unemployment, "record wages" doesnt really translate into a well off economy anymore. The people that have money gained even more acquisitive power during the pandemic and they screwed up a lot of markets for the poor and middle class so its like we're playing catch up. Stimmies helped companies have higher profits which means higher stock prices which meant higher borrowing power which increased spending

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Cocytus
02/14/23 1:50:20 PM
#56:


Trumpo posted...
Raise eligibility to $110000 earned due to inflation
Yeah but then you're in this perpetual pancake-syrup scenario where it's like ohh, too much pancake? More syrup. Too much syrup? More pancake. And we need to find ways to make this sad scenario not so cyclic, desperate, and reactionary.

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:50:43 PM
#57:


Dan_Haren- posted...
Wages will always lag behind inflation because wages are sticky. Once wages increase they don't really go back down. Most prices are not sticky. So as inflation rages on, wages will be behind. Its always been like that.

And why is inflation high? As explained by my previous post. Stimulus will simply worse that.

Corporate profit is not sticky?

Dude you literally just parroting propaganda. I heard all that before....from big Corp CEOS.

But wagea have stagnated since the 70s yet inflation has gone up.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:51:32 PM
#58:


The other factor is that there was mass retirement of boomers over the last few years. The economy lost alot of workers. Thats part of why theres so many job openings. Like I said, 11 mil openings, 5mil unemployed right now, and new job hires = 7.7% inflation which beats the latest CPI numbers.

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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:52:40 PM
#59:


"corporate propaganda" is all you guys can come up with.

Zero substance. The only "evidence" of anything is a dumbass tweet". This is just comedy at this point. Are you guys even trying?

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:52:58 PM
#60:


Dan_Haren- posted...
The other factor is that there was mass retirement of boomers over the last few years. The economy lost alot of workers. Thats part of why theres so many job openings. Like I said, 11 mil openings, 5mil unemployed right now, and new job hires = 7.7% inflation which beats the latest CPI numbers.

FED wants unemployment to REDUCE inflation
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:54:11 PM
#61:


WingsOfGood posted...
FED wants unemployment to REDUCE inflation

Yea, they do. Thats why 3 posts ago I said the only solution is a major crash. Its extremely hard to raise unemployment right now because theres so many damn job openings and people are still spending like crazy.
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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:54:29 PM
#62:


Dan_Haren- posted...
"corporate propaganda" is all you guys can come up with.

Zero substance. The only "evidence" of anything is a dumbass tweet". This is just comedy at this point. Are you guys even trying?

Oh you mean like endless articles

You are in for it buddy I been posting them everyday since 2020

How are you this unaware?
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MacadamianNut3
02/14/23 1:54:41 PM
#63:


I'll do you one better. Why is money

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:54:53 PM
#64:


Dan_Haren- posted...
Yea, they do. Thats why 3 posts ago I said the only solution is a major crash. Its extremely hard to raise unemployment right now because theres so many damn job openings and people are still spending like crazy.

Wrong.

The solution is tax corporate profits

Bet you don't even know what PPP loans are
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TMOG
02/14/23 1:55:39 PM
#65:


Dan_Haren- posted...
Workers are also making "record wages"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybrev8TtHI
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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/14/23 1:56:55 PM
#66:


WingsOfGood posted...
Wrong.

The solution is tax corporate profits

Bet you don't even know what PPP loans are


Which will never happen under reps or dems anytime soon. Not even in their radar as a possible solution.

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 1:58:09 PM
#67:


CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Which will never happen under reps or dems anytime soon. Not even in their radar as a possible solution.

Because guys like Dan buy into the propoganda

Thanks alot
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The_X_Dawg
02/14/23 1:58:24 PM
#69:


I for one know that I am still spending the $1,800 I received in stimulus money from 2 years ago.

Just bought a new car and a condo with some of it. Think I'll use some soon to buy a Burberry suit.
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 1:59:10 PM
#70:


WingsOfGood posted...


The solution is tax corporate profits

That is actually a good solution and will work. because businesses will make less profits, they'll hire less workers, business growth will slow down, layoffs will start, unemployment will rise, people will spend less money, prices will have to be lowered to stay afloat, and the whole system would essentially reset.

But there is no getting rid of inflation without increasing unemployment and decreasing wage growth.

The more money you inject into the economy, the worse inflation gets. hence why stimulus = bad.

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 2:02:05 PM
#71:


Dan_Haren- posted...
That is actually a good solution and will work. because businesses will make less profits, they'll hire less workers, business growth will slow down, layoffs will start, unemployment will rise, people will spend less money, prices will have to be lowered to stay afloat, and the whole system would essentially reset.

But there is no getting rid of inflation without increasing unemployment and decreasing wage growth.

The more money you inject into the economy, the worse inflation gets. hence why stimulus = bad.

Did you not know a bunch of layoffs had happened but corps kept record profits and boosted bonuses to execs?
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 2:02:41 PM
#72:


Why that wont happen is because it will hurt the economy and that will make biden look bad. Its all politics. And corporate taxes comes from the federal government not the fed.
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 2:04:45 PM
#74:


WingsOfGood posted...
Did you not know a bunch of layoffs had happened but corps kept record profits and boosted bonuses to execs?

Thats largely in anticipation of a recession, some companies started cleaning house. but that recession hasn't come and thats why theres still profits. And again "record profits" is meaningless in this time of high inflation. hence my comment that theres also "record wages" yet no one says that because its all in relation to inflation. You proved my point on that for me.

And like I said, theres still 2 job openings for every unemployed persons. The economy is still extremely strong.
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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 2:05:44 PM
#76:


Dan_Haren- posted...
Why that wont happen is because it will hurt the economy and that will make biden look bad. Its all politics. And corporate taxes comes from the federal government not the fed.

You claim it hurts the economy and yet inflation is bad and hurts the economy yet this combats...inflation.

You are so confused because you just HAVE to defend Corp profits.

Smh
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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 2:08:18 PM
#77:


If you can't understand those simple concepts that its not worth me explaining any more to you. Again these are like middle-school, maybe highschool economics level concepts.
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TaylorHeinicke
02/14/23 2:09:45 PM
#78:


i love how unemployment is still a figure people take seriously. is it really a good thing for 97 out of 100 people to all have shitty underpaid low quality jobs, or 94 in 100 people have high quality well paying market value jobs?

boasting about low unemployment isn't worth anything when the actual jobs are garbage and require 2-3 of them to make any sort of meaningful living wage

also why the fuck are people still saying "a recession is coming" when we've been in one since Q2 2022 ended

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WingsOfGood
02/14/23 2:12:50 PM
#79:


Dan_Haren- posted...
If you can't understand those simple concepts that its not worth me explaining any more to you. Again these are like middle-school, maybe highschool economics level concepts.

So I proved you wrong by your own admission and now you have to dip out to save face?

I said: tax Corp profit reduce inflation

You said:
Yes that works!

Then you said:
They won't do that though cause it hurts the economy.

Yet you said at first stimulus hurts the economy by causing inflation.

Yet taxing corps, which reduces inflation by your own admission, you claim hurts the economy.

Which is it?
Inflation bad
But also good?

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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/14/23 2:13:30 PM
#81:


Dan_Haren- posted...
That is actually a good solution and will work. because businesses will make less profits, they'll hire less workers, business growth will slow down, layoffs will start, unemployment will rise, people will spend less money, prices will have to be lowered to stay afloat, and the whole system would essentially reset.

But there is no getting rid of inflation without increasing unemployment and decreasing wage growth.

The more money you inject into the economy, the worse inflation gets. hence why stimulus = bad.

Well the economy seems to have been doing well during 50s, 60s when corporate rates where much much higher than today. Then came Reagan and ruined the 1 household income middle class dream.

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apocalyptic_4
02/14/23 2:20:45 PM
#82:


Yup a recession is necessary to fix inflation and the only way for that to happen is for unemployment to rise along with consumer spending to go way down. Once this housing bubble erupts and banks start making it harder to buy Holmes we will begin to see the start of a major crash. Economist agree we are not headed for a soft landing in the future, I'd hold off on any major purchases imo.


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Prismsblade
02/14/23 2:26:32 PM
#83:


Why? A small one time paycheck isn't saving anybody. Nor is that even what the checks were meant for even though many before and now sadly still think otherwise.

All that money we printed years ago and we have nothing to show for it now except record high inflation.

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Dan_Haren-
02/14/23 2:56:10 PM
#84:


WingsOfGood posted...
So I proved you wrong by your own admission and now you have to dip out to save face?

I said: tax Corp profit reduce inflation

You said:
Yes that works!

Then you said:
They won't do that though cause it hurts the economy.

Yet you said at first stimulus hurts the economy by causing inflation.

Yet taxing corps, which reduces inflation by your own admission, you claim hurts the economy.

Which is it?
Inflation bad
But also good?

Tell me you dont know the difference between the Fed and the federal government without telling me you dont know the difference between the fed and the federal government.
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Suolevram
02/15/23 8:45:39 AM
#85:


The_X_Dawg posted...
I for one know that I am still spending the $1,800 I received in stimulus money from 2 years ago.

Just bought a new car and a condo with some of it. Think I'll use some soon to buy a Burberry suit.
Damn, that 1800 really stretching out

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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 10:15:49 AM
#86:


Dan_Haren- posted...
Tell me you dont know the difference between the Fed and the federal government without telling me you dont know the difference between the fed and the federal government.

What I said had nothing to do with either.

It had to do with YOUR logic.

  1. Dan Haren: Inflation is bad for the economy! We can't do stimulus because it causes inflation!!!
  2. Me: ok so we can tax corporate profits
  3. Dan Haren: Yes that will combat inflation but is bad for the economy!


Is inflation bad or good for the economy?
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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 10:21:29 AM
#87:


Dan_Haren- posted... Theres a huge inflation problem that is not going away.


Dan_Haren- posted...
WingsOfGood posted...
The solution is tax corporate profits

That is actually a good solution and will work. because businesses will make less profits, they'll hire less workers, business growth will slow down, layoffs will start, unemployment will rise, people will spend less money, prices will have to be lowered to stay afloat, and the whole system would essentially reset.


Dan_Haren- posted...
Why that wont happen is because it will hurt the economy and that will make biden look bad. Its all politics. And corporate taxes comes from the federal government not the fed.

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Dan_Haren-
02/16/23 2:58:44 PM
#88:


You don't understand those simple concepts of how economic growth, inflation, unemployment, and politics are related. Maybe read up on the topic and try again. You don't have to go in depth, you can just ask Alexa these questions and you'll learn a lot. Clearly you don't know anything lol.
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