Current Events > 16-year-old trans TikToker stabbed to death in park by two 15 year olds

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-64620539

"No evidence to suggest a hate crime"

But yet she was targeted specifically. I wonder why children in her own school year might attack her. I just can't put my finger on it.

Funkydog posted...

"No evidence to suggest a hate crime"

But yet she was targeted specifically. I wonder why children in her own school year might attack her. I just can't put my finger on it.

Yes, random assumptions. that always works.

This reminds me of all those anti Asian attacks in NYC where each time, the NYPD always said it wasn't a hate crime

This definitely had to do with hate

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Yes, random assumptions. that always works.

So you think it was more likely it was a completely random murder?

Horrific. It's sad to see this downplayed as a random act of violence.

Funkydog posted...

"No evidence to suggest a hate crime"

But yet she was targeted specifically. I wonder why children in her own school year might attack her. I just can't put my finger on it.

"At this time, there is no evidence to suggest that the circumstances surrounding Brianna's death are hate related

Post the whole sentence.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

So you think it was more likely it was a completely random murder?

I think in lieu of information, you should wait for it. That doesn't downplay the significance of what happened, it's just a request to allow investigators to do their jobs and share information with the public when they discover it.

Regardless whether it was a hate crime or not, put them in jail

A_Good_Boy posted...

it's just a request to allow investigators to do their jobs and share information with the public when they discover it.

this is a fine ideal, but it requires the public actually trusting the investigators to do their jobs well. and, to be blunt, we aren't there right now (in a general sense. here's hoping these ones live up to the ideal)

That's too bad. Good thing the kids who did it are locked up.

dj1200 posted...

That's too bad. Good thing the kids who did it are locked up.

Hopefully they won't get out because of some stupid reasons. I

Medussa posted...

this is a fine ideal, but it requires the public actually trusting the investigators to do their jobs well. and, to be blunt, we aren't there right now (in a general sense. here's hoping these ones live up to the ideal)

Waiting for more information is still preferable to jumping to conclusions. As you can tell from this topic alone, there's different conclusions and narratives in contention.

FortuneCookie posted...

Horrific. It's sad to see this downplayed as a random act of violence.

Yes random active violence my ass

Just more evidence that teenagers are just a shitty as adults

A_Good_Boy posted...

Waiting for more information is still preferable to jumping to conclusions. As you can tell from this topic alone, there's different conclusions and narratives in contention.

We already have information to work with. It was premeditated and by her peers. If you think its more likely than that this wasnt a targeted attack, you need a reality check. There could be information discovered later that disproves this but with the information we have no we absolutely can make a logical assumption

Victim of opportunity, or something else?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

So you think it was more likely it was a completely random murder?

Think of how many reasons they would have to murder her if she wasn't trans. Now just add being trans to that list. Life is complicated. You shouldn't just take off running with loaded CE topic titles.

specialkid8 posted...

Think of how many reasons they would have to murder her if she wasn't trans. Now just add being trans to that list. Life is complicated. You shouldn't just take off running with loaded CE topic titles.

some reasons are more likely than others. They certainly didnt do it for her inheritance money

RIP to her.

idk if it was a hate crime, but I've seen stuff about how she was bullied before, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Funkydog posted...

"No evidence to suggest a hate crime"

But yet she was targeted specifically. I wonder why children in her own school year might attack her. I just can't put my finger on it.

Because the law doesn't work on assumptions and life isn't black and white. Imagine if for every murder they just charged it as a hate crime?
"Oh, this is a hate crime because they're black and the shooter is white."

Teens have been murdered before, no matter their orientation or ethnicity. If it turns out it wasn't motivated over them being trans then what?

i mean right now literally all people are going on is that the teen is a protected class, and that they were stabbed by their classmates. That is far, far too little to even CONSIDER a hate crime let alone prosecute it.

CE attempts the "don't downplay hate crimes" challenge [literally impossible]

Gwynevere posted...

CE attempts the "don't downplay hate crimes" challenge [literally impossible]

Nobody's downplaying it. People are just overreacting because they haven't found evidence YET to charge it as a hate crime. They're notoriously hard to prove unless slurs were shouted (impossible to know with no witnesses or video) or messages were sent somewhere or (less likely) the teens were part of a hate organization. All still requires further investigation. .

I believe more likely than not this is a hate crime, but it will go nowhere unless they prove it as the laws around it are quite specific

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Because the law doesn't work on assumptions and life isn't black and white. Imagine if for every murder they just charged it as a hate crime?
"Oh, this is a hate crime because they're black and the shooter is white."

Teens have been murdered before, no matter their orientation or ethnicity. If it turns out it wasn't motivated over them being trans then what?

i mean right now literally all people are going on is that the teen is a protected class, and that they were stabbed by their classmates. That is far, far too little to even CONSIDER a hate crime let alone prosecute it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/0/AACE4xAADM1O.jpg

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Nobody's downplaying it. People are just overreacting because they haven't found evidence YET to charge it as a hate crime. They're notoriously hard to prove unless slurs were shouted (impossible to know with no witnesses or video) or messages were sent somewhere or (less likely) the teens were part of a hate organization. All still requires further investigation. .

I believe more likely than not this is a hate crime, but it will go nowhere unless they prove it as the laws around it are quite specific

they're british

I mean as likely as it sounds that it was a hate crime, he's got a point. You need evidence for this sort of thing. Seems like it would be really easy to interrogate their classmates and see if they seem to harbor any hate towards them in their trans identity.

https://twitter.com/RinRinYikes/status/1624952142845952002?t=n7ibNv0Z1xw-Fp5cWQvpWA&s=19

Waiting for the investigators to have actual evidence it was a hate-motivated crime is such a hard concept here.

You cant immediately add hate crime enhancements just because the crime was committed against a protected class; you have to prove that motivation, which is difficult because it relies on the motive.

Motive isnt integral to a conviction in most cases, and it is often hard to decipher without confessions because it has to do with the defendants thought process.

It isnt impossible, but it is going to take digging through the phones of the accused, through social media, through internet history, etc.

You cant come out and say it was a hate crime, as law enforcement, without your ducks in a row first.

Easy to be mad at law enforcement for not acknowledging a likely hate crime but suggest an alternative.

They can't walk up to a mic and say "well we don't know what happened but considering the victim was trans we reckon it was a hate crime"

There's irresponsible and then there's absurd

Patchwork posted...

Waiting for the investigators to have actual evidence it was a hate-motivated crime is such a hard concept here.

You cant immediately add hate crime enhancements just because the crime was committed against a protected class; you have to prove that motivation, which is difficult because it relies on the motive.

Motive isnt integral to a conviction in most cases, and it is often hard to decipher without confessions because it has to do with the defendants thought process.

It isnt impossible, but it is going to take digging through the phones of the accused, through social media, through internet history, etc.

You cant come out and say it was a hate crime, as law enforcement, without your ducks in a row first.

you do realize that the people on this board are not going to be administering legal consequences right

averagejoel posted...

you do realize that the people on this board are not going to be administering legal consequences right

In no way, shape, or form is that remotely close to the argument made.

Funkydog posted...

"No evidence to suggest a hate crime"

But yet she was targeted specifically. I wonder why children in her own school year might attack her. I just can't put my finger on it.

FortuneCookie posted...

Horrific. It's sad to see this downplayed as a random act of violence.

Medussa posted...

this is a fine ideal, but it requires the public actually trusting the investigators to do their jobs well. and, to be blunt, we aren't there right now (in a general sense. here's hoping these ones live up to the ideal)

Im not expecting GameFAQs user FortuneCookie to dispense justice.

I responded to the sentiment that people seem upset this wasnt immediately classified a hate crime.

I think thats pretty obvious.

Patchwork posted...

In no way, shape, or form is that remotely close to the argument made.

Im not expecting GameFAQs user FortuneCookie to dispense justice.

I responded to the sentiment that people seem upset this wasnt immediately classified a hate crime.

I think thats pretty obvious.

learn to read peoples' words rather than deliberately misunderstanding them and attacking some imaginary argument that you made up