Current Events > Iowa to stick children back in the labor mines; allow kids to work til 11 pm

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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2023/02/06/key-points-of-bill-to-change-iowa-child-labor-law/69870761007/

A new bill introduced in the Iowa Legislature would rewrite Iowa's child labor law to allow teens to work in previously prohibited jobs so long as they are part of an approved training program.
Here are some highlights of Senate File 167.
List of prohibited jobs for teens remains
As with the existing law, the bill outlines the jobs that 14-17-year olds can do, like bagging and carrying groceries to cars, clerical work and preparing and serving food.
The bill also maintains a list of jobs kids under 18 can't hold, such as working in slaughterhouses, meatpacking or rendering plants; mining; operating power-driven metal forming, punching or shearing machines; operating band or circular saws, guillotine shears or paper balers; or being involved in roofing operations or demolition work. It makes a few modifications, such as removing a prohibition against 14- and 15-year-olds working in freezers and meat coolers.
New section allows for exemptions
In an entirely new section, however, the bill would allow the Iowa Workforce Development and state Department of Education heads to make exceptions to any of the prohibited jobs for teens 14-17 "participating in work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."
It says those asking for exceptions must demonstrate "the activity will be performed under adequate supervision and training;" that "the training includes adequate safety precautions;" and that "the terms and conditions of the proposed employment will not interfere with the; and health, well-being, or schooling of the minor enrolled in an approved program."
Bill also would shield businesses from liability
The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence. A business also would be free of civil liability if a student is hurt because of the teen's negligence on the job or is injured traveling to or from work.
A company could face fines of up to $10,000 for violations under the bill, but the state's labor commissioner could reduce or waive the penalty.
Serving alcohol, driving to work, late hours
The bill in addition would allow 16- and 17-year-olds with the written permission of a parent, legal custodian or guardian to serve alcohol to people who are drinking it on the premises of a business.
It would some children under 16 to drive themselves to work-based programs. The Iowa Department of Transportation says online a student must be 14 1/2 years old to obtain a special driver's license.
And it would let kids under 16 work until 9 p.m. instead of quitting by 7 p.m. And quitting time would be extended to 11 p.m. from June 1 through Labor Day.

*allow exemptions so kids can do these jobs

Conservatives really want to go back to the 1800s

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But no, that's probably bad.

How corrupt do you have to be to put in the no liability section? If this passes the GOP can never say they are protecting the children ever again.

Fuck all of that

Good fucking lord fuck the GOP.

If you'll remember from our friends at Schoolhouse Rock, there are several more steps for a bill to become a law. So, its not like this will happen tomorrow. And I almost guarantee it would be vetoed.

https://youtu.be/Otbml6WIQPo

Holy fucking shit.

I could see making it easier to get a job as a teen, but mining, demolition, and meatpacking?

Have we really already gone full circle on this capitalism thing?

what the fuck is happening to this country

dj1200 posted...

If you'll remember from our friends at Schoolhouse Rock, there are several more steps for a bill to become a law. So, its not like this will happen tomorrow. And I almost guarantee it would be vetoed.

https://youtu.be/Otbml6WIQPo

Yeah but that song is about the federal government and also operates on the presumption of a fair, balanced, working congress.

State governments are not any of those.

They really want their meat cheap.

Sure seems like an FLSA violation to me

https://youtu.be/E_PnuXelvWA?t=62

dj1200 posted...

If you'll remember from our friends at Schoolhouse Rock, there are several more steps for a bill to become a law. So, its not like this will happen tomorrow. And I almost guarantee it would be vetoed.

https://youtu.be/Otbml6WIQPo

Obligatory rebuttal (and arguably another instance of the Simpsons predicting the future, provided you replace the bomb with a handful of feces to smear on the walls):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8gt-EEpelY

Probably an excuse to lower pay rates cause kids wouldn't need as much money.

so is this only legal if they're going to trade schools or something? it says it has to be part of a certified training program so it doesn't sound like they'll just be able to hire 14 year olds off the street at least

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Probably an excuse to lower pay rates cause kids wouldn't need as much money.

oh yeah it's definitely about cheap manual labor

The internet: "The children yearn for the mines!"
Iowa: "Wait, really?"

conservatives: fuck them kids

It says those asking for exceptions must demonstrate "the activity will be performed under adequate supervision and training;" that "the training includes adequate safety precautions;" and that "the terms and conditions of the proposed employment will not interfere with the; and health, well-being, or schooling of the minor enrolled in an approved program."

The bill exempts businesses from civil liability if a student is sickened, injured or killed due to the company's negligence.

Well certainly can't see the potential for corruption here!

this is the kind of country CE wants

I can see there many many kids around that age who would rather work then do most other things then. So as long as they aren't being forced to it any way then I don't really mind.

General strike when

Prismsblade posted...

I can see there many many kids around that age who would rather work then do most other things then. So as long as they aren't being forced to it any way then I don't really mind.

They should be forced to go to school and be kids

Prismsblade posted...

I can see there many many kids around that age who would rather work then do most other things then. So as long as they aren't being forced to it any way then I don't really mind.

CE moment

and

they'd better not even think about unionizing

if they unionize we kill them imho

Slippery slope too. Who knows what theyll legalize for minors if this happens.

The biggest problem is the immunity to personal injuries. So ol' pop pop can send you off to the mines, and if negligence is present and results in the death of the child ol' pop pop ain't got any chance to hold the mining company accountable.

What in the fuckity fuck?

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If they keep this trash up we'll get a militant one too sooner or later. Those in power seem to forget that the current laws in place also have the purpose of protecting employers from angry employees trashing the place/outright seizing their assets.

can you believe we live in a country where every politician who votes for this isnt going to be voted out of office

this is the future conservatives want -- to bring us back to the 1920s

Master_Bass posted...

If they keep this trash up we'll get a militant one too sooner or later. Those in power seem to forget that the current laws in place also have the purpose of protecting employers from angry employees trashing the place/outright seizing their assets.

Stop, you're giving me a commie boner.

They would pay the below min wage

Prismsblade posted...

I can see there many many kids around that age who would rather work then do most other things then. So as long as they aren't being forced to it any way then I don't really mind.

You feel a 14 year old has the objective rationality to make that decision?

My heart just melts so much from how much Republicans love kids (some like Matt Gaetz, a little too much)

Ruvan22 posted...

You feel a 14 year old has the objective rationality to make that decision?

I did. I almost took a job around that age but backed out once I learned the working conditions.

Not saying I'm OK with any of this mind you.

This bill is something that needs to fail big, it is not ok.

Damn, my bed time was before 11

https://youtu.be/RRh0QiXyZSk

Upton Sinclair is spinning in his grave

Prismsblade posted...

I can see there many many kids around that age who would rather work then do most other things then. So as long as they aren't being forced to it any way then I don't really mind.

They can work on their homework

so this is the plan pro-lifers have, i see.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I did. I almost took a job around that age but backed out once I learned the working conditions.

Not saying I'm OK with any of this mind you.

I'm glad you did - my question was whether it's appropriate to expect 14 year olds to accurately measure the pros/cons of such a large decision..

Sounds bad ass. I'd do demo at 11pm if I was a teen

Ruvan22 posted...

I'm glad you did - my question was whether it's appropriate to expect 14 year olds to accurately measure the pros/cons of such a large decision..

I do keep forgetting I had a good upbringing and have a good head on my shoulders because of that compared to a lot of people. Doesn't hurt I'm above average in thr intelligence department either. Not a geni7s by no means though.

dr__strangelove posted...

so this is the plan pro-lifers have, i see.

this is why the Supreme Court mentioned we need a steady domestic supply of infants

Ruvan22 posted...

You feel a 14 year old has the objective rationality to make that decision?

That would depend on them and their life's circumstances.

Personally I would lower the age to obtain a GED on top of this. And if they prove themsevles proficient enough in reading, writing, math, science and have no desire for higher learning at the time then I see no reason to stop them.

Something bad should happen to the people who passed this.