D: Employers should be required by law to accommodate you if you have kids

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AzNDarkSamurai 02/08/23 3:13:08 AM #1:	You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So what You come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it. I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:971406251] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So whatYou come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it.I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 02/08/23 3:14:20 AM #2:	Bro someone should be working for you --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:971406258] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Bro someone should be working for you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarfireX 02/08/23 3:17:34 AM #3:	TC, it's up to you to have the talent to set your own terms. I show up to work when I want. If I'm late, I tell them I'm late, so what, I do a lot of things I'm not supposed to. They can't fire me because they can't hire and train people fast enough to do what I roll out of bed and knock out in 2 hours. I don't even go to work anymore because since COVID I decided not to take jobs that aren't full time remote. Maybe I sound arrogant but I'm almost 40 and been working since I was 17. I've got enough experience that I can make my own rules then break all of them too. --- I've got the Oscar fever! Hope you've got it too! Pour me some bubbly now it's all you gotta do! <cite>WarfireX posted [p:971406279] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>TC, it's up to you to have the talent to set your own terms.I show up to work when I want. If I'm late, I tell them I'm late, so what, I do a lot of things I'm not supposed to. They can't fire me because they can't hire and train people fast enough to do what I roll out of bed and knock out in 2 hours.I don't even go to work anymore because since COVID I decided not to take jobs that aren't full time remote. Maybe I sound arrogant but I'm almost 40 and been working since I was 17. I've got enough experience that I can make my own rules then break all of them too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 02/08/23 3:17:59 AM #4:	My father would have said something like shoulda kept your legs closed --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:971406283] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>My father would have said something like shoulda kept your legs closed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kage_53 02/08/23 3:18:41 AM #5:	Go post that on r/childfree lol <cite>kage_53 posted [p:971406290] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Go post that on r/childfree lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzNDarkSamurai 02/08/23 3:19:30 AM #6:	kage_53 posted... Go post that on r/childfree lol thats a ban waiting to happen haha --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:971406295] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>kage_53 posted... </cite><quote>Go post that on r/childfree lol</quote>thats a ban waiting to happen haha </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 02/08/23 4:50:21 AM #7:	WarfireX posted... TC, it's up to you to have the talent to set your own terms. Within reason. Expecting employers to accommodate employees with children is not unreasonable in 99.9999% of cases. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:971406957] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>WarfireX posted... </cite><quote>TC, it's up to you to have the talent to set your own terms.</quote>Within reason. Expecting employers to accommodate employees with children is not unreasonable in 99.9999% of cases. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/08/23 4:51:46 AM #8:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Within reason. Expecting employers to accommodate employees with children is not unreasonable in 99.9999% of cases. It depends on how much accommodation they want and whether or not the same flexibility is available to employees without children. <cite>Glob posted [p:971406965] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Within reason. Expecting employers to accommodate employees with children is not unreasonable in 99.9999% of cases.</quote>It depends on how much accommodation they want and whether or not the same flexibility is available to employees without children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/08/23 4:58:48 AM #9:	CE gonna hate this because millennials love to rag on parents and children but I think you could make a general point that if employers weren't dicks about a wide variety of personal issues and were more flexible then we'd be a happier workforce. If you find yourself coming out to bat for corporate dystopian work culture, something is wrong with you. Don't enable wage slave bullshit. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:971407011] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>CE gonna hate this because millennials love to rag on parents and children but I think you could make a general point that if employers weren't dicks about a wide variety of personal issues and were more flexible then we'd be a happier workforce. If you find yourself coming out to bat for corporate dystopian work culture, something is wrong with you. Don't enable wage slave bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 02/08/23 5:19:27 AM #10:	AzNDarkSamurai posted... You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So what You come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it. I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am I see where youre coming from, for sure, but at the same time, those are all things that you shouldve taken into consideration before having kids. I can only speak from the other side because I dont have kids, but it can be very frustrating when youre counting on someone to show up at certain times and theyre like oh sorry, cant kid stuff \_()_/ Im sure Ill get blasted for that for some weird reason but Im only recounting my own personal experiences here, folks. --- Fate rarely calls on us at a moment of our choosing. <cite>rexcrk posted [p:971407162] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>AzNDarkSamurai posted... </cite><quote>You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So whatYou come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it.I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am</quote>I see where youre coming from, for sure, but at the same time, those are all things that you shouldve taken into consideration before having kids. I can only speak from the other side because I dont have kids, but it can be very frustrating when youre counting on someone to show up at certain times and theyre like oh sorry, cant kid stuff \_()_/Im sure Ill get blasted for that for some weird reason but Im only recounting my own personal experiences here, folks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 02/08/23 6:15:27 AM #11:	pinky0926 posted... CE gonna hate this because millennials love to rag on parents and children but I think you could make a general point that if employers weren't dicks about a wide variety of personal issues and were more flexible then we'd be a happier workforce. If you find yourself coming out to bat for corporate dystopian work culture, something is wrong with you. Don't enable wage slave bullshit. Why would millennials hate that? Millennials are the main group who want better work conditions <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:971407630] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>CE gonna hate this because millennials love to rag on parents and children but I think you could make a general point that if employers weren't dicks about a wide variety of personal issues and were more flexible then we'd be a happier workforce. If you find yourself coming out to bat for corporate dystopian work culture, something is wrong with you. Don't enable wage slave bullshit.</quote>Why would millennials hate that? Millennials are the main group who want better work conditions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JuanCarlos1 02/08/23 6:33:21 AM #12:	Ive thought about this. There should be some level of flexibility with parents since we have to take kids to the dr, expected to be in their school performances, graduations, drop them and pick them up daycare/school. Having kids is the engine that keeps the economy going and governments panic when there are low birth rates. Millenials need incentives to have kids --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... <cite>JuanCarlos1 posted [p:971407768] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Ive thought about this. There should be some level of flexibility with parents since we have to take kids to the dr, expected to be in their school performances, graduations, drop them and pick them up daycare/school.Having kids is the engine that keeps the economy going and governments panic when there are low birth rates. Millenials need incentives to have kids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/08/23 6:53:53 AM #13:	JuanCarlos1 posted... Ive thought about this. There should be some level of flexibility with parents since we have to take kids to the dr, expected to be in their school performances, graduations, drop them and pick them up daycare/school. Having kids is the engine that keeps the economy going and governments panic when there are low birth rates. Millenials need incentives to have kids I dont have think incentives to have kids is the way forward. You dont want people who dont really want kids to become parents. However, reducing the amount of incentives to avoid having kids is fair game. <cite>Glob posted [p:971407946] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted... </cite><quote>Ive thought about this. There should be some level of flexibility with parents since we have to take kids to the dr, expected to be in their school performances, graduations, drop them and pick them up daycare/school.Having kids is the engine that keeps the economy going and governments panic when there are low birth rates. Millenials need incentives to have kids</quote>I dont have think incentives to have kids is the way forward. You dont want people who dont really want kids to become parents.However, reducing the amount of incentives to avoid having kids is fair game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/08/23 6:58:48 AM #14:	Kloe_Rinz posted... Why would millennials hate that? Millennials are the main group who want better work conditions Yes but a lot of millennials really hate kids for some reason, and make it a part of their personality --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:971407997] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Why would millennials hate that? Millennials are the main group who want better work conditions</quote>Yes but a lot of millennials really hate kids for some reason, and make it a part of their personality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 02/08/23 7:19:12 AM #15:	pinky0926 posted... Yes but a lot of millennials really hate kids for some reason, and make it a part of their personality On the flip side, there are tons of people out there who make having kids their personality as well. Like to the point where its really weird lol. Youd think theyd be happy that people who dont want or arent ready to have kids arent having kids for the sake of it. But instead they get all weirdly pissed off as if having kids is the only thing worth living for. --- Fate rarely calls on us at a moment of our choosing. <cite>rexcrk posted [p:971408203] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>Yes but a lot of millennials really hate kids for some reason, and make it a part of their personality</quote>On the flip side, there are tons of people out there who make having kids their personality as well. Like to the point where its really weird lol. Youd think theyd be happy that people who dont want or arent ready to have kids arent having kids for the sake of it. But instead they get all weirdly pissed off as if having kids is the only thing worth living for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 02/08/23 7:25:09 AM #16:	I exploit this in order to keep seasonal employees coming back year after year. I have to lay them off during the summer, which for parents is a positive thing. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:971408265] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>I exploit this in order to keep seasonal employees coming back year after year. I have to lay them off during the summer, which for parents is a positive thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/08/23 7:42:35 AM #17:	rexcrk posted... On the flip side, there are tons of people out there who make having kids their personality as well. Like to the point where its really weird lol. Youd think theyd be happy that people who dont want or arent ready to have kids arent having kids for the sake of it. But instead they get all weirdly pissed off as if having kids is the only thing worth living for. Both sides are exhibiting coping mechanisms. Not that Im suggesting that it applies to everybody on both sides, but many people with kids let them become their whole personality because its a way of coping with how much having a kid takes over your life. Many people without kids dont have them because of restrictions either financially or romantically or biologically, and that can lead to feelings of inadequacy so they make not having kids their whole personality too. <cite>Glob posted [p:971408478] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>rexcrk posted... </cite><quote>On the flip side, there are tons of people out there who make having kids their personality as well. Like to the point where its really weird lol. Youd think theyd be happy that people who dont want or arent ready to have kids arent having kids for the sake of it. But instead they get all weirdly pissed off as if having kids is the only thing worth living for.</quote>Both sides are exhibiting coping mechanisms. Not that Im suggesting that it applies to everybody on both sides, but many people with kids let them become their whole personality because its a way of coping with how much having a kid takes over your life. Many people without kids dont have them because of restrictions either financially or romantically or biologically, and that can lead to feelings of inadequacy so they make not having kids their whole personality too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 02/08/23 8:24:59 AM #18:	My line of work is considered essential so they may let you slide with being late but that's about it as long as its not excessive. I've seen people let go home cause emergency situations arise. Like one time a CO workers kids called saying the babysitter was unconscious. But they say not having someone to watch your kids is an unacceptable excuse --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:971409017] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>My line of work is considered essential so they may let you slide with being late but that's about it as long as its not excessive. I've seen people let go home cause emergency situations arise. Like one time a CO workers kids called saying the babysitter was unconscious. But they say not having someone to watch your kids is an unacceptable excuse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 02/08/23 8:29:01 AM #19:	Glob posted... It depends on how much accommodation they want and whether or not the same flexibility is available to employees without children. This is key. All employees should be given reasonable accommodations for life stuff in general, regardless of their marital or parental status. Because yes it is very frustrating for a parent to be knocked for need reasonable accommodations to take care of their kids. But it's also extremely frustrating when a company assumes extra availability from a single person because they don't have a spouse or kids to go home to. And sure you can push back and say no, but now you aren't "a team player". The most diabolical part is you can have employers play these attitudes off if each other. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:971409078] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>It depends on how much accommodation they want and whether or not the same flexibility is available to employees without children.</quote>This is key. All employees should be given reasonable accommodations for life stuff in general, regardless of their marital or parental status. Because yes it is very frustrating for a parent to be knocked for need reasonable accommodations to take care of their kids. But it's also extremely frustrating when a company assumes extra availability from a single person because they don't have a spouse or kids to go home to. And sure you can push back and say no, but now you aren't "a team player".The most diabolical part is you can have employers play these attitudes off if each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzNDarkSamurai 02/08/23 9:10:56 AM #20:	bump --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:971409679] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 02/08/23 9:23:59 AM #21:	But the question then becomes... where do the accommodations end? What if, instead of kids, you're caring for an elderly parent? A sick spouse? You dog sitter is late? I'm not asking this to be wise, genuine question. What if your job is to relieve someone and take over their responsibilities, and THEY have a child that is on a pick-up schedule, and they're relying on you to be on time? While I understand the "wage slave bullshit" argument, but you, as the employee, do agree upon your level of availability. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:971409884] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>But the question then becomes... where do the accommodations end?What if, instead of kids, you're caring for an elderly parent? A sick spouse? You dog sitter is late?I'm not asking this to be wise, genuine question. What if your job is to relieve someone and take over their responsibilities, and THEY have a child that is on a pick-up schedule, and they're relying on you to be on time?While I understand the "wage slave bullshit" argument, but you, as the employee, do agree upon your level of availability. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 02/08/23 9:25:14 AM #22:	While I'm inclined to agree with the core of the point, it isn't exactly fair to those of us who didn't make that 18-year mistake. In TC's perfect world: Employee with kid(s): All kinds of leeway, shows up late, leaves early, fucks off at random times, delays projects, impossible to schedule meetings around. Added benefit of being able to just say "kid stuff" and leave, no questions asked. After all, what kind of dickhead boss is going to ask for proof that your kid has a doctors appointment or something? Employee without kids: Be here at 8, stay your ass here until 5. Pick up some of the slack that gets dropped when your peers leave at 3 to go pick up their kids. And you better believe you won't be making a cent more than them. I'm all for kowtowing to those who messed up their lives and want to make us work around their mistakes, but only if those of us who chose not to contribute to the overpopulation crisis see some sort of similar benefits, be it higher pay, more PTO, or something to match our output. --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:971409901] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>While I'm inclined to agree with the core of the point, it isn't exactly fair to those of us who didn't make that 18-year mistake. In TC's perfect world:Employee with kid(s): All kinds of leeway, shows up late, leaves early, fucks off at random times, delays projects, impossible to schedule meetings around. Added benefit of being able to just say "kid stuff" and leave, no questions asked. After all, what kind of dickhead boss is going to ask for proof that your kid has a doctors appointment or something?Employee without kids: Be here at 8, stay your ass here until 5. Pick up some of the slack that gets dropped when your peers leave at 3 to go pick up their kids. And you better believe you won't be making a cent more than them.I'm all for kowtowing to those who messed up their lives and want to make us work around their mistakes, but only if those of us who chose not to contribute to the overpopulation crisis see some sort of similar benefits, be it higher pay, more PTO, or something to match our output.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AirFresh 02/08/23 9:30:12 AM #23:	D Work your fucking schedule and figure shit out. I don't give a fuck you were too stupid to use protection, your children are not my burden. --- Don't Stress, Become #Fresh <cite>AirFresh posted [p:971409986] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>DWork your fucking schedule and figure shit out. I don't give a fuck you were too stupid to use protection, your children are not my burden.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Snake07 02/08/23 9:33:32 AM #24:	Sounds like a pretty good way to make people with children much less hireable than than people who do not. Theyre your kids, you figure it out. its not your employer or your coworkers job to drag your dead weight just because you cant balance your personal and professional life. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid_Snake07 posted [p:971410038] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like a pretty good way to make people with children much less hireable than than people who do not.Theyre your kids, you figure it out. its not your employer or your coworkers job to drag your dead weight just because you cant balance your personal and professional life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 02/08/23 9:37:48 AM #25:	AirFresh posted... D Work your fucking schedule and figure shit out. I don't give a fuck you were too stupid to use protection, your children are not my burden. While I wouldn't say it in those words, I do agree. Even as someone who does have kids. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:971410129] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>AirFresh posted... </cite><quote>DWork your fucking schedule and figure shit out. I don't give a fuck you were too stupid to use protection, your children are not my burden.</quote>While I wouldn't say it in those words, I do agree. Even as someone who does have kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 02/08/23 10:12:49 AM #27:	As a parent: i would rather see more government support for parents that better enables SAHM/Ds, more affordable daycare, and longer daycare hours I dont think private businesses should legally have to accomodate parents beyond maternity/paternity leave, but i'd love to see a culture where it's expected. Better/more unions are probably the answer. Fwiw my white collar/tech experience is that parenting is fine with a job that already has high flexibility The blue collar/retail/service/hourly world though has got to be tough and i'm rooting for collective bargaining to improve things --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:971410825] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>As a parent: i would rather see more government support for parents that better enables SAHM/Ds, more affordable daycare, and longer daycare hoursI dont think private businesses should legally have to accomodate parents beyond maternity/paternity leave, but i'd love to see a culture where it's expected. Better/more unions are probably the answer.Fwiw my white collar/tech experience is that parenting is fine with a job that already has high flexibilityThe blue collar/retail/service/hourly world though has got to be tough and i'm rooting for collective bargaining to improve things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/08/23 10:15:27 AM #28:	Solid_Snake07 posted... Sounds like a pretty good way to make people with children much less hireable than than people who do not. Theyre your kids, you figure it out. its not your employer or your coworkers job to drag your dead weight just because you cant balance your personal and professional life. --- Oda break tracker 2022- 13 (3) \| THE Ohio State:11-1 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 6-9 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:971410894] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Solid_Snake07 posted... </cite><quote>Sounds like a pretty good way to make people with children much less hireable than than people who do not.Theyre your kids, you figure it out. its not your employer or your coworkers job to drag your dead weight just because you cant balance your personal and professional life.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/08/23 10:20:40 AM #29:	This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument. If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971410988] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument.If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 02/08/23 10:29:27 AM #30:	I find that people who act who make complaints like that just have shitty time management skills. If you're having more than one incident every couple months, figure your shit out. <cite>Nemu posted [p:971411201] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>I find that people who act who make complaints like that just have shitty time management skills. If you're having more than one incident every couple months, figure your shit out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzNDarkSamurai 02/08/23 10:44:19 AM #31:	Questionmarktarius posted... This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument. If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you. the problem is, someone with a family has to demand more money because how else will they support them? --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:971411510] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument.If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you.</quote>the problem is, someone with a family has to demand more money because how else will they support them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 02/08/23 10:45:29 AM #32:	Questionmarktarius posted... This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument. If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you. This too Ive done the extra hours to get ahead pre-kids Now with a kid i am done at 5pm sharp and i am totally okay with that meaning i dont get promoted as fast/as big of a raise as the 25 year old who is pushing code at 7pm daily Hustle in your 20s imo --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:971411528] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite><quote>This just comes down to the old "equality vs equity" argument.If you miss a bunch of work to take your kids to school or something, that happens, and decent employers accept that. Do not demand to be paid the same as that other employee who's there sixty hours to cover for you.</quote>This tooIve done the extra hours to get ahead pre-kidsNow with a kid i am done at 5pm sharp and i am totally okay with that meaning i dont get promoted as fast/as big of a raise as the 25 year old who is pushing code at 7pm dailyHustle in your 20s imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/08/23 10:46:33 AM #33:	AzNDarkSamurai posted... the problem is, someone with a family has to demand more money because how else will they support them? The other side of that is "Bob gets paid more for doing less because he needs more" means Alice is going to find a better job. Who covers for Bob then? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:971411548] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>AzNDarkSamurai posted... </cite><quote>the problem is, someone with a family has to demand more money because how else will they support them?</quote>The other side of that is "Bob gets paid more for doing less because he needs more" means Alice is going to find a better job. Who covers for Bob then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrSonic 02/08/23 10:47:07 AM #34:	Nah <cite>MrSonic posted [p:971411558] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Nah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 02/08/23 11:57:28 AM #35:	Compsognathus posted... This is key. All employees should be given reasonable accommodations for life stuff in general, regardless of their marital or parental status. Because yes it is very frustrating for a parent to be knocked for need reasonable accommodations to take care of their kids. But it's also extremely frustrating when a company assumes extra availability from a single person because they don't have a spouse or kids to go home to. And sure you can push back and say no, but now you aren't "a team player". The most diabolical part is you can have employers play these attitudes off if each other. Yeah as someone who's single I have more shit to do cause I ain't got someone to help me out. Right now its just too much overtime. How am I supposed to keep my house up when I only get 4 or 5 days off a week and work 12 hours a day. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:971413470] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>This is key. All employees should be given reasonable accommodations for life stuff in general, regardless of their marital or parental status. Because yes it is very frustrating for a parent to be knocked for need reasonable accommodations to take care of their kids. But it's also extremely frustrating when a company assumes extra availability from a single person because they don't have a spouse or kids to go home to. And sure you can push back and say no, but now you aren't "a team player".The most diabolical part is you can have employers play these attitudes off if each other.</quote>Yeah as someone who's single I have more shit to do cause I ain't got someone to help me out. Right now its just too much overtime. How am I supposed to keep my house up when I only get 4 or 5 days off a week and work 12 hours a day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
samsungsalt 02/08/23 1:07:28 PM #36:	D. --- my old computer died and i didn't feel like resetting the password to my original account, so i created this one instead. yeah, i know, what a shocker >_> <cite>samsungsalt posted [p:971415314] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>D.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pedro45 02/08/23 1:32:46 PM #38:	AzNDarkSamurai posted... You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So what You come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it. I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am I honestly thought this was a joke. What selfish behavior that has no foresight whatsoever. Parenting is a choice that shouldn't affect others. Why should it? There's plenty of benefits people without kids don't receive, especially in taxes. As others said, figure out your own life. Others aren't here to cover for you, they're living their own life. --- Warning: Sometimes biased http://i.imgur.com/V0x5fw8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IOovUge.gif http://i.imgur.com/zw7bqPH.jpg <cite>pedro45 posted [p:971415894] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>AzNDarkSamurai posted... </cite><quote>You cant work certain hours because you have kids? So whatYou come late to work because theres no one to drop your kids off to school in the morning? So what. They should get over it.I hate how my career got ruined and I got forgotten about because management doesnt want to be flexible with the situation with my kids. Who else gonna take care of them and drive them where they need to be? Have they thought of that? Its not right to move on to other employees more flexible with time than I am</quote>I honestly thought this was a joke. What selfish behavior that has no foresight whatsoever.Parenting is a choice that shouldn't affect others. Why should it? There's plenty of benefits people without kids don't receive, especially in taxes.As others said, figure out your own life. Others aren't here to cover for you, they're living their own life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JuanCarlos1 02/08/23 1:33:51 PM #40:	Glob posted... I dont have think incentives to have kids is the way forward. You dont want people who dont really want kids to become parents. However, reducing the amount of incentives to avoid having kids is fair game. Right, but a lot of people dont want kids, because of money, difficulty with daycare. Id like another kid, but dont have anyone who could take care of them the first few years and daycare expenses are ridiculous. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... <cite>JuanCarlos1 posted [p:971415929] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>I dont have think incentives to have kids is the way forward. You dont want people who dont really want kids to become parents.However, reducing the amount of incentives to avoid having kids is fair game.</quote>Right, but a lot of people dont want kids, because of money, difficulty with daycare. Id like another kid, but dont have anyone who could take care of them the first few years and daycare expenses are ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scintillant 02/08/23 1:35:43 PM #41:	I think employers should be more flexible with their staff if they want people to want to work there. I think making a law of it would just invite evil corporations to abuse it though. --- whats cat up to <cite>Scintillant posted [p:971415973] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>I think employers should be more flexible with their staff if they want people to want to work there. I think making a law of it would just invite evil corporations to abuse it though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 02/08/23 1:41:57 PM #42:	Every job ive had has always gone out of their way to accommodate employees for healthcare/childcare stuff if you talked to them about it. unless you were just showing up late without saying anything or it was shitty workplace they probably hated you --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:971416115] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Every job ive had has always gone out of their way to accommodate employees for healthcare/childcare stuff if you talked to them about it.unless you were just showing up late without saying anything or it was shitty workplace they probably hated you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/08/23 1:52:57 PM #43:	D you made a choice to have children and you don't deserve special treatment for it. the flexibility and acommodations you're asking for should be available to everyone, or to nobody, regardless of whether they have kids or not. --- I hope something good happens to you today Playing: Cuphead DLC <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:971416390] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Dyou made a choice to have children and you don't deserve special treatment for it. the flexibility and acommodations you're asking for should be available to everyone, or to nobody, regardless of whether they have kids or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/08/23 5:21:58 PM #44:	JuanCarlos1 posted... Right, but a lot of people dont want kids, because of money, difficulty with daycare. Id like another kid, but dont have anyone who could take care of them the first few years and daycare expenses are ridiculous. Thats exactly what Im saying though. Making something like that easier isnt an incentive to have kids. It isnt going to tempt somebody who didnt want them anyway, which is a good thing. However, it does remove a potential barrier which will allow some people who previously wanted them but felt that they couldnt to have children. <cite>Glob posted [p:971421924] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>JuanCarlos1 posted... </cite><quote>Right, but a lot of people dont want kids, because of money, difficulty with daycare. Id like another kid, but dont have anyone who could take care of them the first few years and daycare expenses are ridiculous.</quote>Thats exactly what Im saying though. Making something like that easier isnt an incentive to have kids. It isnt going to tempt somebody who didnt want them anyway, which is a good thing. However, it does remove a potential barrier which will allow some people who previously wanted them but felt that they couldnt to have children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VampireCoyote 02/08/23 5:23:07 PM #45:	Huge C kids are fucking monsters and anyone unfortunate enough to have any needs all the help they can get --- She/her <cite>VampireCoyote posted [p:971421984] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Huge Ckids are fucking monsters and anyone unfortunate enough to have any needs all the help they can get</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 02/08/23 5:34:30 PM #46:	Also the answer isn't to pay the kid-having people less. The best compromise is to pay the kid-less people more. --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:971422648] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Also the answer isn't to pay the kid-having people less. The best compromise is to pay the kid-less people more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzNDarkSamurai 02/08/23 5:41:03 PM #47:	VampireCoyote posted... Huge C kids are fucking monsters and anyone unfortunate enough to have any needs all the help they can get relate to this hard I love my kids with all my heart but id be lying to you if I didnt tell you I miss my pre-kid days at times --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:971423085] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>VampireCoyote posted... </cite><quote>Huge Ckids are fucking monsters and anyone unfortunate enough to have any needs all the help they can get</quote>relate to this hard I love my kids with all my heart but id be lying to you if I didnt tell you I miss my pre-kid days at times </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AloneIBreak 02/08/23 5:59:36 PM #48:	As long as theyre submitting sick/annual time (or just making up the missed time I guess), I say go for it. Similar opportunities should be extended to those without kids as well, of course. --- "The civilized man, where he cannot admire, will aim rather at understanding than at reprobating." - Bertrand Russell <cite>AloneIBreak posted [p:971424195] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>As long as theyre submitting sick/annual time (or just making up the missed time I guess), I say go for it. Similar opportunities should be extended to those without kids as well, of course. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaylorHeinicke 02/09/23 11:55:20 AM #49:	bump --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) <cite>TaylorHeinicke posted [p:971445049] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Angel_ 02/09/23 12:14:45 PM #50:	I feel like there should be a lot more accommodation for people with kids, speaking as someone who doesnt want to have them --- Nostalgia, how I remember things. Remember crowns, remember kings. <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:971445549] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>I feel like there should be a lot more accommodation for people with kids, speaking as someone who doesnt want to have them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enderknight17 02/09/23 12:29:25 PM #51:	As a parent I got complaints from coworkers without kids all the time about my schedule... Even had a new manager who threatened to fire me because I told him I couldn't come in earlier in the day (I worked 5pm to 1am) because I watched my kids during the day until my wife got off. The frustrating thing was I'd worked that schedule for years and it was never a problem before. When I told him to go ahead and fire me he backed way off, though. It's one of the reasons I left after fourteen years. That and their expectations that we work literally seven days a week and I said no that shit too. Anyway, I don't think it should be a law. But people in general should be understanding. Kids are the future... --- RIP BigAirDay aka Bill. Not changing this signature until the Carolina Panthers win the Super Bowl. Signature started 10/30/11 <cite>Enderknight17 posted [p:971445925] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>As a parent I got complaints from coworkers without kids all the time about my schedule... Even had a new manager who threatened to fire me because I told him I couldn't come in earlier in the day (I worked 5pm to 1am) because I watched my kids during the day until my wife got off. The frustrating thing was I'd worked that schedule for years and it was never a problem before. When I told him to go ahead and fire me he backed way off, though. It's one of the reasons I left after fourteen years. That and their expectations that we work literally seven days a week and I said no that shit too. Anyway, I don't think it should be a law. But people in general should be understanding. Kids are the future... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 02/09/23 1:07:45 PM #52:	Simple solution - stop running skeleton crews at every job/shift, allow more flexibility for everyone. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:971446849] in C/D: Emplo... [t:80339966]...</cite> <quote>Simple solution - stop running skeleton crews at every job/shift, allow more flexibility for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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