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I did on MLK day. An fwb invited me over. It was kind of depressing though, we act like a couple when we're together and then just leave lol. He even cried in front of me this time

-ZIO- posted...

Haven't in 37 years, just about.

how was it 37 years ago

Chesh posted...

I did on MLK day. An fwb invited me over. It was kind of depressing though, we act like a couple when we're together and then just leave lol. He even cried in front of me this time

after you stripped naked?

dj1200 posted...

after you stripped naked?

good one but no
it was after he touched me
Nah I'm just kidding. We were talking about childhoods a little and it happened.

Oh ok. Whats your gender if you dont mind me asking.

dj1200 posted...

how was it 37 years ago

Wasn't birthed yet.

;_;

Never have, probably never will. I don't think it's something that's in the cards for me.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Never have, probably never will. I don't think it's something that's in the cards for me.

Why do you think that? How old are you?

dj1200 posted...

Why do you think that? How old are you?

I turn 40 this year.

Have you done anything physical with a woman?

dj1200 posted...

Have you done anything physical with a woman?

Nothing.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Nothing.

Why do you think that is? What is holding you back?

dj1200 posted...

Why do you think that is? What is holding you back?

I'm pretty sure I have avoidant personality disorder. No diagnosis or anything, but from what I've read it seems to be a perfect fit.

Though, that only explains things from my end. Not why I'm also simply universally unwanted. I'm just not good enough to be with. There's no reason for someone to ever want to be with me, when they could be with literally anyone else.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I'm pretty sure I have avoidant personality disorder. No diagnosis or anything, but from what I've read it seems to be a perfect fit.

You realize that this ^ makes you feel...

Though, that only explains things from my end. Not why I'm also simply universally unwanted. I'm just not good enough to be with. There's no reason for someone to ever want to be with me, when they could be with literally anyone else.

...this ^

You are not universally unwanted no matter how many times you repeat it to me or give me examples.

agreed with bsp77 there, you are not universally unwanted

bsp77 posted...

You realize that this ^ makes you feel...

...this ^

You are not universally unwanted no matter how many times you repeat it to me or give me examples.

ROOTFayth posted...

agreed with bsp77 there, you are not universally unwanted

I get that you guys are being supportive, and I appreciate that, but it doesn't change the fact. I've never been popular, or well liked much(occasionally at a job I'll be liked, but that's it). I've always been the outcast, the last one chosen, the one "accidentally" left out or forgotten.

Here I am, nearly 40 years old, still waiting for my first date. Literal teenagers are outclassing me. I've had nothing. Literal nothing in that area of my life.

Do you try at all? Have you joined any dating apps? Are you uncomfortable talking to women? Do you put any effort into improving your appearance?

its not because you are unwanted though, its because you choose not to engage, you choose comfort over discomfort (which is ironic because it ultimately end up causing you discomfort)

like Im not just saying that so you feel better, you are objectively not universally unwanted, if you want that to happen you will have to put yourself in motion though, its not going to fall from the sky or happen randomly, you are going to have to put yourself out there, build confidence in some sort of way (different for everyone I guess)

dj1200 posted...

Do you try at all? Have you joined any dating apps? Are you uncomfortable talking to women? Do you put any effort into improving your appearance?

Tried several of them for a couple years. Okcupid, tinder, bumble. I tend to get compliments on my appearance, but I could lose some weight. Kinda just let it build up for a while.

ROOTFayth posted...

its not because you are unwanted though, its because you choose not to engage, you choose comfort over discomfort (which is ironic because it ultimately end up causing you discomfort)

like Im not just saying that so you feel better, you are objectively not universally unwanted, if you want that to happen you will have to put yourself in motion though, its not going to fall from the sky or happen randomly, you are going to have to put yourself out there, build confidence in some sort of way (different for everyone I guess)

I don't really know how to engage people. I have pretty crippling social anxiety. So it's very difficult to really interact with people in a meaningful way. It takes me a very long time to become comfortable, and by the time I am they've moved on and forgotten about me.

But, I would think that'd be a bigger hindrance to a relationship rather than just outright attracting people. Even in dating apps, with no signs of being how I am, I got nothing. Lots and lots of matches who simply ignored my messages. I get it, they're flooded by tons of guys and I simply didn't stand out. But that's the story of my life. Passed over for literally any other option. That's just how it's always been, why should I expect it to be different now?

And building confidence? I would think finding some form of success would do that.

KogaSteelfang posted...

I get that you guys are being supportive, and I appreciate that, but it doesn't change the fact. I've never been popular, or well liked much(occasionally at a job I'll be liked, but that's it). I've always been the outcast, the last one chosen, the one "accidentally" left out or forgotten.

Here I am, nearly 40 years old, still waiting for my first date. Literal teenagers are outclassing me. I've had nothing. Literal nothing in that area of my life.

Nah, you say that no women have ever wanted you, but I can guarantee that's not true. The problem is, that women traditionally don't do the pursuing. For better or worse, it's all put on the guy.

So there were women that were interested in you, but you didn't notice. And don't feel bad about that, plenty of guys have been completely oblivious to a woman's interest at one time or another. I've been guilty of it too.

You're still "waiting" on your first date? Well don't wait for one to fall into your lap, because that strategy generally doesn't work for straight men. Slowly get yourself out of your comfort zone and start making the first move. It won't always work, but the more you put yourself out there, the easier it becomes and the more likely you'll be to find that special someone.

finding some form of success likely should do that but maybe your issues are a little more deeply rooted and you may need more than just finding success in whatever area

really though from what I've read (because I've got a form of crippling anxiety although it's not specifically social) you just have to expose yourself to whatever is causing you anxiety, one step at a time, in your case slowly normalizing the behavior of being social, expressing your opinions a bit more, going out a bit more, wish I could help more with specifics but really you kind of have to tackle it head on, no other way

how tall are you? how much do you weigh? do you exercise?

NoxObscuras posted...

Nah, you say that no woman have ever wanted you, but I can guarantee that's not true. The problem is, that women traditionally don't do the pursuing. For better or worse, it's all put on the guy.

So there were women that were interested in you, but you didn't notice. And don't feel bad about that, plenty of guys have been completely oblivious to a woman's interest at one time or another. I've been guilty of it too.

Due to my anxiety, and being raised in an abusive household, I tend to hyperfocus on how people react to me. Every time I've had a positive interaction with a woman, my mind drifts to thinking she may be interested. But it's always just been that she was just being friendly, or actually liked me as a friend, or she just had a kind and warm personality towards everyone. It has never been because they were interested in me. I've put my foot in my mouth a few times thinking it was more than it was.

An example: Beautiful coworker. Like, stunningly pretty. Every guy that worked there was after her. She also had social anxiety and hated the attention her looks were getting her. Of course, I figured I had no chance with her anyway, so I decided I wouldn't add to her troubles by chasing her too. We sort of became friends.

Then one night, her shift was over but she stayed behind anyway. It was just the two of us. Normally she'd find an empty room but that night she followed me. She was very talkative and making jokes. She got close, and grabbed onto my arm to show me videos on her phone. We talked, joked, laughed at stuff for about an hour. Then when she did leave, she came back to the door and leaned in and called for me. When I arrived at the door she giggled and gave me a drawn out "byeeeee."

In my mind, that was all indicative that she liked me as more than a friend. So a couple days later, when some female coworkers were telling me to ask her out, and that we'd make gorgeous babies together... I mentioned that I'd like to ask her out. You should have seen the looks of shock on their faces. Then that night when she came to work, she very clearly was avoiding me. Then she called out any days where we'd see each other. Then eventually she straight up swapped to a different site entirely.

Just me being interested in her drive her away. She was never into me like I thought. Whatever it was that happened that night, I entirely misread the situation and made her life worse for it.

Yes over new years with a girl I'm currently dating, cooked a meal at place and enjoyed new years together. 1st time I had a girl sleep over it was nice. I've been seeing her every weekend since.

did you tell her this part though? about how you may just have misread the situation and thought she was interested but she wasn't and it's cool, no need for anything to be awkward

sorry you felt bad in the moment but it's really not uncommon and it's also really not a big deal, on to the next one

also everyone really only care about themselves, they want to talk about themselves, they care about what happens in their own lives, they don't REALLY care about you or judging you, it's irrelevent, don't focus on what you think people think of you (I know it's easier said than done, but it should be the goal)

dj1200 posted...

how tall are you? how much do you weigh? do you exercise?

6'
Getting closer and closer to 200. >_>
I don't exercise.

ROOTFayth posted...

finding some form of success likely should do that but maybe your issues are a little more deeply rooted and you may need more than just finding success in whatever area

really though from what I've read (because I've got a form of crippling anxiety although it's not specifically social) you just have to expose yourself to whatever is causing you anxiety, one step at a time, in your case slowly normalizing the behavior of being social, expressing your opinions a bit more, going out a bit more, wish I could help more with specifics but really you kind of have to tackle it head on, no other way

My job does that. Though I quit last year, I'm going back now. Tonight will be my first night back. Working front desk at a hotel, I have to deal with lots of people.

ROOTFayth posted...

did you tell her this part though? about how you may just have misread the situation and thought she was interested but she wasn't and it's cool, no need for anything to be awkward

sorry you felt bad in the moment but it's really not uncommon and it's also really not a big deal, on to the next one

also everyone really only care about themselves, they want to talk about themselves, they care about what happens in their own lives, they don't REALLY care about you or judging you, it's irrelevent, don't focus on what you think people think of you (I know it's easier said than done, but it should be the goal)

No, I didn't get a chance. That night was when I noticed the problem, and that she was avoiding me. That was the last time I saw her. At that time I was confused on how she had been so overly friendly, touchy feely, clinging on my arm and leaning on me... Just to totally avoid me after. It wasn't until she started skipping the shifts where we'd see each other that I realized she was actively avoiding me.

It gets worse too, but this part is unrelated to my mistake. Mom and dad learned that I was interested in her due to being friends with some of my coworkers... So that was awkward, but not long afterward she contacted my mom and told her my dad was harassing her and to have him stop. Mom checked dad's phone and found dirty pictures he'd been texting to her. So, yeah, dad found out I liked this girl and decided to try and sleep with her himself judging by what mom said the texts said. Yay me, not only did I drive her away myself, but dad sealed the deal by trying to, idk... Cuck me or something?

Oh, then she started dating a dude and posting rather explicit photos of them on Facebook. Like one of her in a bra and panties, and him in his underwear with her grabbing his crotch saying she enjoyed unwrapping that package the best. That type of thing.

That whole situation made me extremely wary of how my actions can affect hurt people. She was literally hanging off my arm, with her head on my shoulder. Grabbing me and such, and seemingly enjoying her time with me... I was ecstatic. Those clearly had to be signs of interest, right? Right? ...No. Even if a woman is literally climbing on me it's not a sign of anything.

Besides, she's the only person to ever do anything like that. There were others I mistook too, but they were more mundane friendly gestures that I mistook, and had more understanding reactions over the confusion. But letting them know I like them always seems like a mistake.

How are your finances and your free time? Could you afford to join a gym? Do you think you would go?

KogaSteelfang posted...

6'
Getting closer and closer to 200. >_>
I don't exercise.

Exercise is easy though and helps with everything. Outdoors, body exercises, and simple dumbbells can get you in pretty good shape.

Oh, then she started dating a dude and posting rather explicit photos of them on Facebook. Like one of her in a bra and panties, and him in his underwear with her grabbing his crotch saying she enjoyed unwrapping that package the best. That type of thing.

A woman who acts like that has issues

That whole situation made me extremely wary of how my actions can affect hurt people. She was literally hanging off my arm, with her head on my shoulder. Grabbing me and such, and seemingly enjoying her time with me... I was ecstatic. Those clearly had to be signs of interest, right? Right? ...No. Even if a woman is literally climbing on me it's not a sign of anything.

I have had quite a few women who were like that with me, and it was always platonic (well, almost always. Alcohol, lol, but was only kissing). Anyway, you can't let that one experience get you down. As I had a few women like that prior to ever having a gf. They simply trusted me.

Besides, she's the only person to ever do anything like that. There were others I mistook too, but they were more mundane friendly gestures that I mistook, and had more understanding reactions over the confusion. But letting them know I like them always seems like a mistake.

It felt the same to me back before dating who would become my wife. This actually sounds like the experience a LOT of guys have prior to figuring it out. You just can't give up.

Note: I ignored all the f'ed up stuff about your shitty father.

dj1200 posted...

How are your finances and your free time? Could you afford to join a gym? Do you think you would go?

I probably could join, but I don't think I'd be dedicated enough to go regularly.

My girlfriend and I just got back from Reno

hotel sex is best sex

Vcel

KogaSteelfang posted...

In my mind, that was all indicative that she liked me as more than a friend. So a couple days later, when some female coworkers were telling me to ask her out, and that we'd make gorgeous babies together... I mentioned that I'd like to ask her out. You should have seen the looks of shock on their faces. Then that night when she came to work, she very clearly was avoiding me. Then she called out any days where we'd see each other. Then eventually she straight up swapped to a different site entirely.

Just me being interested in her drive her away. She was never into me like I thought. Whatever it was that happened that night, I entirely misread the situation and made her life worse for it.

It's possible that you misread her friendliness as attraction. That happens to most guys too. Don't get hung up on your failures. It will just make you feel worse. And, if I'm understanding this right, you never actually talked to her about it? It was your coworkers that told her about it?

So you have no idea what they even said to her. The fact that they were so shocked that you actually did like her, just screams jealousy. It's also possible that they lied to her about you, which she believed and avoided you. For instance, back in high school, my best friend started dating this girl that a bunch of us had a crush on. Her single friends got jealous and told her that he was making fun of her when she wasn't around and that he didn't actually like her. It wasn't true, but she believed them and broke up with him. So without knowing what they told her, that's not really proof that you were wrong about how she felt. Or that you're completely unwanted.

And I'm not trying to force you to do something you don't want to do. But if you truly want to find someone, then don't give up on yourself. You worry that your social anxiety will be a hindrance in your relationships. It might in some of them, but plenty of women will be willing to work with your flaws. Because nobody is perfect and you'll run into women with plenty of flaws of their own.

bsp77 posted...

Exercise is easy though and helps with everything

Not for me, I just to lay in bed watching videos or playing games. Depression sucks, and it's a struggle to even get out of bed most days.

bsp77 posted...

A woman who acts like that has issues

I forgot to mention that it was a Christmas photo. They were in front of the tree. It was kinda jarring because there was no indication at all that she was like that.

bsp77 posted...

I have had quite a few women who were like that with me, and it was always platonic (well, almost always. Alcohol, lol, but was only kissing). Anyway, you can't let that one experience get you down. As I had a few women like that prior to ever having a gf. They simply trusted me.

Prior to having a gf? So, you've had positive physical interactions with women since your teens. It was probably normal for you then... Not for me. It really stood out, and I'd been told physical contact initiated by them is a sign that she likes you. That plus, hair twirling and laughing at dumb things you say. She did all of that. I thought it was an innocent enough mistake, but the thought of me liking her drive her to an entirely different job site. Just to avoid me. That's the kind of reinforcement I've gotten.

bsp77 posted...

It felt the same to me back before dating who would become my wife. This actually sounds like the experience a LOT of guys have prior to figuring it out. You just can't give up.

Note: I ignored all the f'ed up stuff about your shitty father.

I'm tired. I've been looking since I was a teenager. I admit that I'm really reserved, and shy, so I haven't taken many risks. But the few safe options I've pursued all ended up hurting me and I got nothing but failure out if it. Learning experience, sure, I learned that the very idea of being with me is repulsive.

And it's fine to ignore the stuff about him, I do too.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Prior to having a gf? So, you've had positive physical interactions with women since your teens. It was probably normal for you then... Not for me. It really stood out, and I'd been told physical contact initiated by them is a sign that she likes you. That plus, hair twirling and laughing at dumb things you say. She did all of that. I thought it was an innocent enough mistake, but the thought of me liking her drive her to an entirely different job site. Just to avoid me. That's the kind of reinforcement I've gotten.

Well, I never dated in high school at all because I was clueless and unaware of the impact of my autism. But yes, I suddenly had positive interactions as a freshman in college. I lived on a mixed gender floor that year, and some of the women adopted me pretty quickly, since I was nice, cute, unassuming and clueless. They had no issue letting me hang with them in their rooms and would walk around in a bra and panties because I was "one of the girls". Not that it ever translated into anything other than very occasional drunken kissing, and their laughing the next day made it clear it was NOT like that. I was hopelessly into one of them, but she was sleeping with my roommate. I actually thought I would never get a gf because the girls didn't think of me that way. It took them setting me up with someone to ever get anywhere, and I was very drunk at the time, so I didn't get in my own way. Unfortunately, she ended up causing me to lose all of those female friends and I stupidly married her.

So I don't think you understand the nuances of my past, and just assume "oh, he had it easy". I didn't, I simply had a bunch of affectionate female friends because I was on their floor and I was nice to them and not a creep. You easily could have had the same from what I know of you.

MICHALECOLE posted...

My girlfriend and I just got back from Reno

hotel sex is best sex

Reread topic title.

KogaSteelfang posted...

It gets worse too, but this part is unrelated to my mistake. Mom and dad learned that I was interested in her due to being friends with some of my coworkers... So that was awkward, but not long afterward she contacted my mom and told her my dad was harassing her and to have him stop. Mom checked dad's phone and found dirty pictures he'd been texting to her. So, yeah, dad found out I liked this girl and decided to try and sleep with her himself judging by what mom said the texts said. Yay me, not only did I drive her away myself, but dad sealed the deal by trying to, idk... Cuck me or something?

Jesus Christ.

Your dad sent dick pics to your crush?

And your mom is still with him?

WTF

dj1200 posted...

Reread topic title.

I an one single CEmen, I am not multiple CEmen

bsp77 posted...

So I don't think you understand the nuances of my past, and just assume "oh, he had it easy". I didn't, I simply had a bunch of affectionate female friends because I was on their floor and I was nice to them and not a creep. You easily could have had the same from what I know of you.

That's true, but I also think you don't quite understand how the opposite treatment is. I'm not saying you had it easy, and from what you've shared of your marriage it seems you had plenty of unhappy years.

You say I could've easily had the same... But, I didn't. You had friends in high school. I didn't. You had friends in college. I didn't go to college, but I wouldn't have. You got set up with someone, I haven't. She became your gf when you were a teen, I never had that. You married her, obviously I've never been married. You became a father... I want that more than anything. After your divorce you slept around a lot, I'm a virgin. You've had several relationships and I'm still looking for my first. You're engaged again, I'm still just alone.

We're not the same. I know you've had troubles in your life, everyone has. But it's clear you've been far more successful than I ever could have been. Even your first gf wasnt even gotten by your own efforts. You had a gf, a wife, and fatherhood set up for you as a teen. I've had failure, rejection, and pain where you've actually got to live.

dj1200 posted...

Jesus Christ.

Your dad sent dick pics to your crush?

And your mom is still with him?

WTF

I assume that's what it was. I never asked for details, they never shared. Beyond knowing pics and "sexting" was involved. And it actually caused mom to leave him, and we moved for 3 years over that. They patched things up eventually though.

KogaSteelfang posted...

That's true, but I also think you don't quite understand how the opposite treatment is. I'm not saying you had it easy, and from what you've shared of your marriage it seems you had plenty of unhappy years.

You say I could've easily had the same... But, I didn't. You had friends in high school. I didn't. You had friends in college. I didn't go to college, but I wouldn't have. You got set up with someone, I haven't. She became your gf when you were a teen, I never had that. You married her, obviously I've never been married. You became a father... I want that more than anything. After your divorce you slept around a lot, I'm a virgin. You've had several relationships and I'm still looking for my first. You're engaged again, I'm still just alone.

We're not the same. I know you've had troubles in your life, everyone has. But it's clear you've been far more successful than I ever could have been. Even your first gf wasnt even gotten by your own efforts. You had a gf, a wife, and fatherhood set up for you as a teen. I've had failure, rejection, and pain where you've actually got to live.

All undoubtedly true, but you missed the point. You aren't unwanted; the difference is that I went to a college with a mixed gender floor. You didn't. It isn't about wanted vs unwanted, or successful vs unsuccessful, it is about opportunity and experience, which you didn't have. If you had been on that floor, you could have had a similar experience. It doesn't change where I am today, or you are, but it does negate this feeling you have that you are somehow unwanted.

NoxObscuras posted...

It's possible that you misread her friendliness as attraction. That happens to most guys too. Don't get hung up on your failures. It will just make you feel worse. And, if I'm understanding this right, you never actually talked to her about it? It was your coworkers that told her about it?

So you have no idea what they even said to her. The fact that they were so shocked that you actually did like her, just screams jealousy. It's also possible that they lied to her about you, which she believed and avoided you. For instance, back in high school, my best friend started dating this girl that a bunch of us had a crush on. Her single friends got jealous and told her that he was making fun of her when she wasn't around and that he didn't actually like her. It wasn't true, but she believed them and broke up with him. So without knowing what they told her, that's not really proof that you were wrong about how she felt. Or that you're completely unwanted.

And I'm not trying to force you to do something you don't want to do. But if you truly want to find someone, then don't give up on yourself. You worry that your social anxiety will be a hindrance in your relationships. It might in some of them, but plenty of women will be willing to work with your flaws. Because nobody is perfect and you'll run into women with plenty of flaws of their own.

I missed this post earlier. I guess it's possible that they said something untrue to her, but at the time they were telling me I should ask her out. I guess I was just hopeful, since they knew her better than I did, that it was another indication that she may have liked me. So, I reluctantly decided to mention how I felt. All I know is that was a huge mistake, whether they lied or she was put off by the idea of me liking her doesn't really matter. Either way, it ruined things.

Plus, she's just one example. A similar example to your friend's situation. In high school I was taking trade school classes, but they were in another town. So halfway through the school day I had to leave and go to another school. Lots of my classmates did the same. And one guy started dating this girl at the other school. But his friends at our home school were spreading rumors about them. One was particularly mean, and it was starting to spread at our school. So I decided I should warn her about it since she was in my trade class.

I approached her and got her attention, and she answered with "Ew, I'm dating someone already." It had nothing to do with that. Just me saying her name made her respond with an "Ew." It hurt, and I was already embarrassed to approach her anyway. So I tried to explain myself about the rumour and retreat but by then I had attention and she was pressuring me for info. I just told her to ask her friends at the other school and left. It ended up becoming a big issue for her, but I like to think her having a heads up helped stoo it from being worse... But still. I wasn't trying to ask her out. I just wanted to warn her.

Or perhaps the example of the lady from okcupid. Her profile said she was just looking for friends. I figured I could use a friend, so we matched. I just wanted to get to know her,but he showed my profile to all her friends and family until I had been identified and confirmed to be trustworthy. Which, I guess is ok, it makes sense, but I never wanted it to get out that I was on a dating site. Anyway, she tracks down where I work and surprised me with an uninvited visit. Hey, at least I can say I met someone off a dating site, right?

Anyway, she makes several visits over the next few weeks and comments on me being shy and awkward. One night she straight up asks if I've ever had sex, and I answer honestly. So then she goes on a rant about how pathetic that is, that she would never be with a man that couldn't please her. That she will never sleep with me. I was confused, because again, we were both just looking for a friend. She goes on and in about the men she sleeps with and how I'll never be one of them.

Then later she describes a sexual dream she had about me. Which, I admit was the hottest thing that's ever happened to me. Then starts throwing out ideas of me fathering a kid with her, and saying we're getting married. Followed by her then refusing the idea that I'm even a man if I haven't had sex.

I ended up breaking everything off with her when she started hooking up with a guy I went to high school with. I figured that would end her talking about that stuff with me... But no. It started her describing how he could please her, and talking about how big his dick is and the things they were doing. It was so stressful. I closed my okcupid account after that. Then a couple months later the thing with the other girl happened.

bsp77 posted...

All undoubtedly true, but you missed the point. You aren't unwanted; the difference is that I went to a college with a mixed gender floor. You didn't. It isn't about wanted vs unwanted, or successful vs unsuccessful, it is about opportunity and experience, which you didn't have. If you had been on that floor, you could have had a similar experience. It doesn't change where I am today, or you are, but it does negate this feeling you have that you are somehow unwanted.

You're wasting your time lol.

I've seen you try to help this dude in every topic like these that come up and then in the very next one of these he's back all "Oh woe is me".

At some point he needs to help himself. You cant guide his junk into a woman.

I4NRulez posted...

You're wasting your time lol.

I've seen you try to help this dude in every topic like these that come up and then in the very next one of these he's back all "Oh woe is me".

At some point he needs to help himself. You cant guide his junk into a woman.

I'm always up front about being a waste of time. Usually not in topics like this, but if someone reaches out in a pm or it seems like someone is putting in a lot of effort. I'll straight up tell them they're wasting their time. I'm beyond help at this point.

But you're right. I'll stop wasting everyone's time in this topic.

KogaSteelfang posted...

-Snip-

Okay, so the high school thing, once again that's not a knock against you, it happens more than you think. For some women, they get hit on often enough that it starts to annoy them. So their immediate reaction to any guy talking to them is to reject them. I've had it happen to me. I've also had girls say ew. Don't let it get you down.

So for that woman on OKCupid... I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Some people do like to find friends on online dating apps, but plenty of others say they just want friends because they want to take things slow. But they're still looking for a partner at the end of the day. It sounds like she was the latter.

I'm not sure if she was just crazy or if she was trying to "neg" you. That's a form of emotional manipulation where the person puts you down to try and make you fight to win their approval. Basically make you feel like no one else will want you, so you should settle for them. Which again, was a problem with her, not you.

But still, you should count part of that as a win. She may not have turned into a relationship, but she was attracted to you enough to not only think about having sex with you, but to also think about marrying you and having kids with you. So clearly it's possible for women to want you. So now you just need for the right woman to want you.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Yes over new years with a girl I'm currently dating, cooked a meal at place and enjoyed new years together. 1st time I had a girl sleep over it was nice. I've been seeing her every weekend since.

Sweet!

Positions? No

I don't know how Koga has kept up this gimmick for so long.

Crimsoness posted...

I don't know how Koga has kept up this gimmick for so long.

Probably the same as you've kept yours up, by living it.

Wut

Will_VIIII posted...

Wut

I'll take that as a no.