Current Events > Alabama college basketball player charged with murder

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https://news.yahoo.com/alabama-basketball-player-2nd-man-005800131.html

Shit

Imagine being a successful college athlete, maybe you might get in the NBA someday, but then you throw it away over an argument with a stranger

uh wtf

Alabama gonna Alabama

reminder that stuff like this is gonna keep happening until we repeal the 2nd Amendment and get 99% of all guns both legally and illegally owned off the streets

DoesntMatter posted...

reminder that stuff like this is gonna keep happening until we repeal the 2nd Amendment and get 99% of all guns both legally and illegally owned off the streets

How do you plan on getting illegally obtained guns off the street??

NeroxDante posted...

How do you plan on getting illegally obtained guns off the street??

initially with a no questions asked anonymous buyback program

then with investigations and warrants, and by force if necessary

DoesntMatter posted...

reminder that stuff like this is gonna keep happening until we repeal the 2nd Amendment and get 99% of all guns both legally and illegally owned off the streets

I don't think guns are 100 % to blame, otherwise we'd hear about mass shootings and murders in the Czech Republic and the like all the time.

electricbugs2 posted...

I don't think guns are 100 % to blame, otherwise we'd hear about mass shootings and murders in the Czech Republic and the like all the time.

they are not 100% to blame, that is true, but the Czech Republic does not compare to the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the estimate of civilian firearms per 100 persons in the Czech Republic is literally one tenth of the same statistic for the US.

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hunting reserves can have microchipped guns on the premise that you can check out and check back in when you want to go hunting, with software that will disable them if they go out of bounds of the reserve.

and why are you treating having "to ask the government for permission" like it's some outlandish, unprecedented concept? you have to ask the government for permission to a lot of things. to drive on public roads, for instance.

DoesntMatter posted...

they are not 100% to blame, that is true, but the Czech Republic does not compare to the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

the estimate of civilian firearms per 100 persons in the Czech Republic is literally one tenth of the same statistic for the US.

Yeah you have a point, but they have 10 million people compared to the 333 million in the US.

I was more talking about the laws themselves. In the Czech Republic you can still buy assault weapons and conceal carry, but they don't have the same issues with violence.

I think it's more on the social environment in the US then the guns themselves, but I do agree the amount of guns in the US is staggering.

DoesntMatter posted...

hunting reserves can have microchipped guns on the premise that you can check out and check back in when you want to go hunting, with software that will disable them if they go out of bounds of the reserve.

and why are you treating having "to ask the government for permission" like it's some outlandish, unprecedented concept? you have to ask the government for permission to a lot of things. to drive on public roads, for instance.

Is this a serious idea?

Lmao, God CE has the shittiest takes on gun control.

electricbugs2 posted...

I don't think guns are 100 % to blame, otherwise we'd hear about mass shootings and murders in the Czech Republic and the like all the time.

It's the culture of gun worship that's unique to America.

DoesntMatter posted...

reminder that stuff like this is gonna keep happening until we repeal the 2nd Amendment and get 99% of all guns both legally and illegally owned off the streets

That's not going to fix anything. People will always have illegal guns and murders will still happen with other weapons.

electricbugs2 posted...

Yeah you have a point, but they have 10 million people compared to the 333 million in the US.

I was more talking about the laws themselves. In the Czech Republic you can still buy assault weapons and conceal carry, but they don't have the same issues with violence.

I think it's more on the social environment in the US then the guns themselves, but I do agree the amount of guns in the US is staggering.

the 2nd amendment is a large part of the social environment being what it is regarding guns

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Is this a serious idea?

Lmao, God CE has the shittiest takes on gun control.

what about that "take" is "shitty" in your opinion?

Canada and Mexico have extremely strict gun laws and you don't see that making any differences.
If somone wants a gun, they'll get them whether they're legal or not.

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it literally is

runewalshPSiv posted...

That's not going to fix anything. People will always have illegal guns and murders will still happen with other weapons.

nothing is going to fix anything 100%. that doesn't mean it's not worth taking measures to reduce the rate at which incidents like these occur.

There was already a Darius Miles in the NBA. This would have gotten too confusing anyway

ShineboxPhil posted...

Canada and Mexico have extremely strict gun laws and you don't see that making any differences.
If somone wants a gun, they'll get them whether they're legal or not.

gee i guess there's no point in having any laws then, because there is always gonna be people who break them. wrap it up folks, we're done here, ShineboxPhil has solved it. get rid of all laws. they don't do any good.

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Yes it is? What else would you call it

DoesntMatter posted...

gee i guess there's no point in having any laws then, because there is always gonna be people who break them. wrap it up folks, we're done here, ShineboxPhil has solved it. get rid of all laws. they don't do any good.

How do you even jump to that?
Lol you came out with a terribly impractical solution to gun control and you immediately overreact my post to the point where you think i should eliminate all laws?

ShineboxPhil posted...

How do you even jump to that?
Lol you came out with a terribly impractical solution to gun control and you immediately overreact my post to the point where you think i should eliminate all laws?

it was hyperbole to show you how ridiculous your assertion was

and my proposed solution is not impractical

KaZooo posted...

There was already a Darius Miles in the NBA. This would have gotten too confusing anyway

At first I thought it was that Darius Miles. IIRC he had a lot of run ins with the law.

Sounds like there's some possibility that he was just involved in the altercation and didn't actually shoot anyone.

Horrible situation either way

DoesntMatter posted...

it was hyperbole to show you how ridiculous your assertion was

and my proposed solution is not impractical

People carry guns because they think their lives are in danger and they carry them with or without a permit.
And whether you think my assertion is ridiculous, it "doesn't matter" cause the people who got to the extent of obtaining a weapon by illegal means do so cause they feel it absolutely essential they need it.
And yes your idea is impratical. You literally stated getting all weapons removed by any means necessary including force. Think real hard why that can go wrong real fast.

ShineboxPhil posted...

People carry guns because they think their lives are in danger and they carry them with or without a permit.
And whether you think my assertion is ridiculous, it "doesn't matter" cause the people who got to the extent of obtaining a weapon by illegal means do so cause they feel it absolutely essential they need it.
And yes your idea is impratical. You literally stated getting all weapons removed by any means necessary including force. Think real hard why that can go wrong real fast.

If they're illegally carrying then you just do what we already do when people are illegally carrying guns: confiscate and prosecute. Your false dilemma already has a real world solution.

Cool. Let's legalize all drugs then since people will get them regardless. Let's legalize everything.

hockeybub89 posted...

Cool. Let's legalize all drugs then

Decriminalization is the actual best way to go about that, so fuck yeah.

DrizztLink posted...

Decriminalization is the actual best way to go about that, so fuck yeah.

Yep.
It pretty much will put a huge dent to illicit drug trafficking.

DoesntMatter posted...

initially with a no questions asked anonymous buyback program

then with investigations and warrants, and by force if necessary

So the buyback program will fail due to both our outrageous gun culture. and the fact that the government will inevitably screw it up. Nobody will turn in a several hundred dollar firearm for $20 and a free sundae.

As for "warrants and by force," good luck. The headlines the next day will be "Thousands dead nationwide in standoffs/shootouts with police and military." And the situation spirals from there.

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A lot of ra ra guns people don't think it though, which was the point of why I said it.

"Criminals will do what they want, so laws are pointless" is such a silly argument they trot out.

hockeybub89 posted...

"Criminals will do what they want, so laws are pointless" is such a silly argument they trot out.

That's not at all what's being suggested.
It's people don't respect laws to the point that they feel they need a weapon no matter what legal repercussions they face. No one here is advocating for ending all laws

ShineboxPhil posted...

People carry guns because they think their lives are in danger and they carry them with or without a permit.

if there were less guns in circulation, people would feel less like their lives are in danger and would feel less of a need to carry a gun. it would be a "virtuous cycle", as it were.

Murphiroth posted...

It's the culture of gun worship that's unique to America.

I would say the biggest issue comes from our government birthing street gangs that then produced a culture that glorifies violence.

Followed by a complete lack of care for mental health.

Combining those with your point creates a gun culture magnified by our current political climate, where all these hyper macho dick bags feel the need to be strapped for various reasons, some more valid than others.